Might sound like a daft question but ive been playing for over a year now and cant seem to get consistent wins. Now the main thing that is killing my winnings is when i get dealt AA KK or QQ, i get all the money in pre flop like youre supposed to do and get outdrawn almost every single time. Its bad beat after bad beat and its the only thing kiling my results! So how am i supposed to win when i keep getting bs?!
Please dont say in the long run you will win because after a year im still getting outdrawn even when im a massive favorite!!

Where do you play? ACR, 888, or Stars?

Originally Posted by puzzlefish

Where do you play? ACR, 888, or Stars?

Stars and party

The cash game table is not a gambling table. Aces are a pre-flop hand all in for sure. Though KK and QQ are 30% equity against you at min. Even that wouldn't really matter just put in more volume.

For the most part ABC tight poker should work at the micro levels. As long as you are making disciplined plays both preflop and postflop you should not have much trouble.

Usually if you are check raised or receive a donk (bet out of position after you bet the previous street) it's most the time a strong hand 2 pair or higher. Make discipline river folds and just bet, bet bet, your value hands and you should overcome the micro stakes for the most part.

Blackrain's stuff should still be relevant for micro cash games.

Originally Posted by playinggameswithu

The cash game table is not a gambling table. Aces are a pre-flop hand all in for sure. Though KK and QQ are 30% equity against you at min. Even that wouldn't really matter just put in more volume.

Dude a year from playing and KK is nearly -2000BB down for me on my poker tracker, thats from getting it all in pre flop...

Originally Posted by HSmith

Now the main thing that is killing my winnings is when i get dealt AA KK or QQ, i get all the money in pre flop like youre supposed to do and get outdrawn almost every single time.

Ummm, stop doing that. My brother had that strategy with AA and over the course of 24 attempts (combined online and face-to-face poker) he tracked 21 losses. Still he refuses to NOT go allin preflop with AA. Preflop I bet up to 10BB with AA, KK, or QQ and find myself folding before the river 9 out of 10 times (estimates). While I agree you should bet big with those hands, I do not agree with eliminating the possibility of a fold on later streets. And always remember, people are more likely to call in cash games because the size of the pot just makes that greed demon come out and override the good sense to fold.

Play tight with premium hands. Really think through your actions, it's the only way to improve. Watch videos. If you have the time, you can even observe the table before sitting down.

There are no permanent victories. always and defeat and victory

i cannot help you because i dont play cash games

First you have to take responsibility for not winning. That means to stop blaming bad luck and realizing that there are leaks in your poker game.

Originally Posted by This Fish Chums

Ummm, stop doing that. My brother had that strategy with AA and over the course of 24 attempts (combined online and face-to-face poker) he tracked 21 losses. Still he refuses to NOT go allin preflop with AA. Preflop I bet up to 10BB with AA, KK, or QQ and find myself folding before the river 9 out of 10 times (estimates). While I agree you should bet big with those hands, I do not agree with eliminating the possibility of a fold on later streets. And always remember, people are more likely to call in cash games because the size of the pot just makes that greed demon come out and override the good sense to fold.

You want them greedy chasing those draws. That's where you make the big increase in your bank roll. At the casinos aa wins allot more than online. Don't know if it's because your face to face or if online has more bad beats. Really can't decide. My aces usually find there way all in pre flop online. There showing a62 percent win rate. I hate losing with them but I would rather gamble with the odds in my favor. Lost tourney last night with AA KK and JJ. River hit a j and there you go. Funny thing I wasn't the one that pushed all in it was the Jack's. Funny how the low hands win so often. Weather it be a6 against aq the card that hits is the 6. Never fails. Let's play poker

when i'm playing cash game, regardless of my hand, what i care about is the position and the pot to pay call, sometimes but not always, i get two pairs with low cards and i do fishing or traps, doubling my cash . Of course with AA, AK, KK, QQ and AQ in hand, i pretend i have nothing and make the adversary bet and i always double up on his rise

This is why it is called gambling, sometimes you may have the cards but luck is not with you and the flop gets you.
Consistency is the key, if you play consistently and make good calls/moves eventually you will find the winning formula.

Ι cannot grasp the play of putting 100bb or a fullstack preflop even with aces or kings, you are stealing youself from value. Its completely illogical and tournamentish. There is a lot of difference between tourneys and cashgames. 9 out of 10 people will not call that preflop allin if they dont have Kings or Aces or in the best of luck AK.

Okay, so when top pair don't give you money, you have to play some of your donky hand. Donky hands can help you crack those AA KK QQ in long run or in short run. That is why poker is so great. Keep it up man.

How to win cash games?
Have the best combo of 5 cards at the end. Same as tourneys.


If you're not sure- play on a site that tells you your hand in the bottom right corner.
Then hope it's better than the hand at the bottom right of your opponents screen.

I used to think drinking helped.
Then I realized that was silly.

Smoking helps.

Just stay away from cigarettes.
They'll kill ya.

If you can win the championship in a micro tournament 5 times a week, I think you can also win the cash game.

Originally Posted by Sil3ntness

... or receive a donk (bet out of position after you bet the previous street) it's most the time a strong hand 2 pair or higher. ...

This is incorrect. I raised donk bets almost 100% of the time (with whatever), most often they fold (the dumbest ones do donk-call + donk-fold) and they never ever learned. It is kind of like printing money, simply because for them it is insanely hard to have a balanced donking range + play out of position vs. a TAG.

But hey, you do you.

I think that your problem is that you play a lot, dispersion tilt takes up over you, you need to learn to control yourself and stop in time even if the session goes to the minus you need to find the strength to finish it before you lose a lot of money!

Two very important things you need is discipline and patience. Also just take your time to read the table. If you see super aggressive players, pick your spots and try slow playing to induce action from them. If it seems super tight and dead, try to bet more to extract more value from hands you won't normally see any.

Gotta be honest I do well in cash games in the beginning and then don't seem to know when to stop and get busted eventually hahhaa. I've got to do some more studying to use that as a MTT re-up

You only get AA, KK, QQ like 3% time. What are you doing the other 97% of the time? Regardless you need to track your results. Get a database. It isn't runbad unless you can prove it.

Hi, HSmith! I think, maybe You better change a direction in Poker: I mean, go to with cash games
to Sit&Go tournaments and ordinary tournaments... Possibly in these categories of Poker
your cases will go better?!. Try! By the cash games You can back in any time... In the same time
this will another playing experience, which, possibly, might come in handy in the future!
Good Luck!

Originally Posted by HSmith

Might sound like a daft question but ive been playing for over a year now and cant seem to get consistent wins. Now the main thing that is killing my winnings is when i get dealt AA KK or QQ, i get all the money in pre flop like youre supposed to do and get outdrawn almost every single time. Its bad beat after bad beat and its the only thing kiling my results! So how am i supposed to win when i keep getting bs?!
Please dont say in the long run you will win because after a year im still getting outdrawn even when im a massive favorite!!

Usually this is a result of selective memory. If you use a tracker like PT4, it will calculate your all-in adjusted C as well as the actual C, and after a significant number of hands like 100.000 they will tend to be relatively close together. One might be 1BB / 100 higher or lower than the other, but very rarely will there be a huge gap like 5 BB / 100 or 10 BB / 100. So if you lose, its because of something else, and focusing on bad beats just takes your attention away from the things, you actually control.

For people feeling like this I will recommend to play on PokerStars and always use their all-in cash out option. You will be paying 1% more rake, but you will no longer have this excuse, that you only lose because you run bad in all-in situations. Your actual C will be exactly the same as the all-in adjusted one, less the 1% rake.

this is poker and a pocket top pair in no limit hold'em is not a guarantee of victory. look at the poker calculator the probability of your victory with a top pair against different ranges - you may be surprised

Originally Posted by fundiver199

For people feeling like this I will recommend to play on PokerStars and always use their all-in cash out option. You will be paying 1% more rake, but you will no longer have this excuse, that you only lose because you run bad in all-in situations. Your actual C will be exactly the same as the all-in adjusted one, less the 1% rake.

But that "feature" changes the whole game. And everyone is aware of that. If you move allin, no one will call most of the times.

Stop shoving unless maybe opening from late position even then why, 9 out of 10 their gonna fold and you win blinds only. Biggest improvement in my game in a while was to stop shoving make smaller bets and control losses. Once u shove its out of your hands and about luck. You want to read the player and the board before risking large amounts, yes with aa kk you want to scare away the low connectors and such but you dont have to bet your whole stack to do so, unless your short stack or something. i play tourneys and if it's low stakes reentry i'll shove early and take risks to build a stack and go nit once i have a decent stack. Gotta read the table some tables you might have to shove to get them to fold others will fold to min bets. Do the other players fear or respect your hands at the time or ever. So many variables to consider but shoving blindly ever time is just flipping a coin and takes no skill.

Personally, I play in a tight aggressive style, and this brings me a stable small profit at micro limits. I also often have bad beats, coolers and dominations, despite these failures, I still win stably. Of course there are days when I lose, but this is rare. It depends on which opponents I play with, if everyone at the table plays tight, then it’s much harder to win, I have to look for tables that have at least a few loose players.

Some kind of stupid question, we have to study, that’s the answer

With patience..

to play at tables for money you have to set a game strategy studying dedicating yourself to change in game style is very different from playing tournaments and losing hands with peers like AA KK QQ are things that you have to adapt so is poker

Do heavy bets instead of all ins ..in this way you don't gamble and you also lower the number of potential players/flop