HooDooKoo's Cash Game Thread

[HooDooKoo]

A2dd is a tad thin on the river when he takes a bet/call, call, raise line like this, but I still 3bet here. Doubt he ever shows up with 77. Also fwiw I probs raise pre to his limp and take initiative OOP.

I think you're right that I should 3-bet here. It just puts me in a terrible spot if villain shoves. I'm sure you're right that it's rare that villain shows up with 77 (or KK) --- especially because the villain never played back at me once I took the initiative in the hand. I might see the occasional K4s or 74s, given the limp, but it's probably +EV to 3-bet here and call a shove.

My first post ITT, and I already misread a HH. I did not notice board was paired in A-2s hand (I looked for it too). Now I see why you flatted the river.

I don't think my advice would have changed though. He can still call us with worse IMO. But flatting the river is a bit more prudent (and might be the best choice, who knows).


I do that occasionally. I read the HH too quickly or something and miss important details. I am going to try and pay better attention.


Anyways, I forgot to mention before - good luck with this new chapter in you life. I hope you never have to return to the soul-sucking rat race.

I think my response above to Blob covers this, but I'm glad to see you understood why I chose to flat. If it were an unpaired board, I would certainly have 3-bet.

Anyone have any feedback on hand 17? As it turns out, I was ahead, but I just don't see any way to call a river shove there --- even with rockets? Am I being too scared/nitty? Or just prudent?

-HooDooKoo

 

[Blobweird123]

I think you're right that I should 3-bet here. It just puts me in a terrible spot if villain shoves. I'm sure you're right that it's rare that villain shows up with 77 (or KK) --- especially because the villain never played back at me once I took the initiative in the hand. I might see the occasional K4s or 74s, given the limp, but it's probably +EV to 3-bet here and call a shove.


I think my response above to Blob covers this, but I'm glad to see you understood why I chose to flat. If it were an unpaired board, I would certainly have 3-bet.

-HooDooKoo

Yeah I suppose theres a non-zero chance of this too. Which is another reason why I raise pre to his limp. Again I dont think its a huge mistake to flat the river here. But its a -ev mistake nonetheless im sure.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Hand 17:

IMO, hands that villain could have are open enders/FDs. The way he flat calls 2 streets makes me think this. If he had a big hand, he would probably raise (due to the fact board is wet).


We could make a hero call on the river. It kinda feels like villain was just waiting for you to stop firing. But, the FD (significant part of villains range) does come home. It is just gross.


It all makes sense in hindsight (of course). However, I think calling in spots like this is going to be risky in general.


I would like to hear more input from more experienced members. Villain is a loosy-goosy fish IMO for sure. Lol @ 6-9o.

 

[vinylspiros]

hand 16 (repost)= Like the way you played this hand. Very disciplined laydown, especially in a multiway pot someone has got to have it. The turn pot control check was good.

hand 17 (repost)= I dont know if im folding this the way the hand played out and tyour getting almost 1 to 1 on your money. The way you decide to check river, is a standard spot for him to turn his entire range into a bluff. Im calling there. I think bet fold is best here if not bet call. I really dont like check fold.


hand 18 (repost)= I like sizing on all streets here. River is a standard call to his reraise (especially cause you have the nut flush and his price is ridiculous). dont think there is any value to reraise shoving or something. I mean the board is paired and your flush is fragile at this point. Hes either reraising you with a boat and less often with a worse flush.

 

[vinylspiros]

I think you're right that I should 3-bet here. It just puts me in a terrible spot if villain shoves. I'm sure you're right that it's rare that villain shows up with 77 (or KK) --- especially because the villain never played back at me once I took the initiative in the hand. I might see the occasional K4s or 74s, given the limp, but it's probably +EV to 3-bet here and call a shove.



I think my response above to Blob covers this, but I'm glad to see you understood why I chose to flat. If it were an unpaired board, I would certainly have 3-bet.

Anyone have any feedback on hand 17? As it turns out, I was ahead, but I just don't see any way to call a river shove there --- even with rockets? Am I being too scared/nitty? Or just prudent?
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-HooDooKoo

The only reason i might think your a bit too tight in hand 17 is because you have a very strong hand and alot of people are turning this board into a bluff. especially at the limits your playing. It isnt the best spot ever but versus 1 opponent and a short stacker, i think you cannot fold this. esp with the line you took.

 

[ccocco]

good as the saying goes, nothing ventured nothing gained, but you leave the job to dedicate to poker, it is very strong, for my part I think I am good player and have a lot of theory over what could help you here we are this is a great community and very friendly, I hope you do well in your new life will be qeu poker ... luck

 

[Blobweird123]

hand 17 (repost)= I dont know if im folding this the way the hand played out and tyour getting almost 1 to 1 on your money. The way you decide to check river, is a standard spot for him to turn his entire range into a bluff. Im calling there. I think bet fold is best here if not bet call. I really dont like check fold.


hand 18 (repost)= I like sizing on all streets here. River is a standard call to his reraise (especially cause you have the nut flush and his price is ridiculous). dont think there is any value to reraise shoving or something. I mean the board is paired and your flush is fragile at this point. Hes either reraising you with a boat and less often with a worse flush.

I'd have to disagree with both HA's here.

Hand 17 we are pretty much never good. He has tonssss of 2pr, some flushes, and definitely some sets.

Hand 18 what boats play this way? At this limit people aren't "trapping" with KK by limping pre. And same goes for 77 mostly. As I stated earlier, the only hand I really see here is 44 thats ahead of us. He almost always has smaller flushes or 2pr hands like K9 or 79 that think they will fold out better or get looked up by worse Kx.

 

[WVHillbilly]

In. Try to avoid the huge wall of hands posts (like the 1st couple ITT) and you'll get better/more analysis. I'm sure you're in great hands with John and wish you the best. It's a pretty tough online climate to be jumping into to make a living but I'm sure you already know that.

Also noticed on the very 1st hand you posted in this thread that you showed your hand after your opponent mucked. That's a pretty big no-no for me. If an opponent wants to see my cards he's going to pay to do so (or use John's software 24 hours later ). Obviously not as big an issue because of the anonymous nature of Bovada but it's still info for thos at the table during the remainder of the session.

 

[Blobweird123]

In. Try to avoid the huge wall of hands posts (like the 1st couple ITT) and you'll get better/more analysis. I'm sure you're in great hands with John and wish you the best. It's a pretty tough online climate to be jumping into to make a living but I'm sure you already know that.

Also noticed on the very 1st hand you posted in this thread that you showed your hand after your opponent mucked. That's a pretty big no-no for me. If an opponent wants to see my cards he's going to pay to do so (or use John's software 24 hours later ). Obviously not as big an issue because of the anonymous nature of Bovada but it's still info for thos at the table during the remainder of the session.

Yeah what WVH said, I usually look at cash threads but the second I see a wall of hands, I just close it lol. Too much work. Save a few really tough spots (half of these seem pretty std) and post those, then the responses will come. And also, involve yourself more in the analysis. It's good of you to post the hands, but get a little more back and forth going with the responders imo.

 

[HooDooKoo]

I'd have to disagree with both HA's here.

Hand 17 we are pretty much never good. He has tonssss of 2pr, some flushes, and definitely some sets.

Hand 18 what boats play this way? At this limit people aren't "trapping" with KK by limping pre. And same goes for 77 mostly. As I stated earlier, the only hand I really see here is 44 thats ahead of us. He almost always has smaller flushes or 2pr hands like K9 or 79 that think they will fold out better or get looked up by worse Kx.

Vinyl --- I very much appreciate your input, but I'm with Blob here in both cases (as evidenced by my fold in hand 17). In hand 17, I think we are beat way more than 50% of the time, so a call here is almost certainly -EV. In hand 18, I think he raises bigger on the river with a boat, hoping that I have the nut flush and can't get away from it. I don't know why I didn't consider that at the time, but I didn't. I'm learning already.

Thanks for all the responses.

-HooDoo

 

[HooDooKoo]

In. Try to avoid the huge wall of hands posts (like the 1st couple ITT) and you'll get better/more analysis. I'm sure you're in great hands with John and wish you the best. It's a pretty tough online climate to be jumping into to make a living but I'm sure you already know that.

Also noticed on the very 1st hand you posted in this thread that you showed your hand after your opponent mucked. That's a pretty big no-no for me. If an opponent wants to see my cards he's going to pay to do so (or use John's software 24 hours later ). Obviously not as big an issue because of the anonymous nature of Bovada but it's still info for thos at the table during the remainder of the session.

WV --- It is a tough environment to make a living playing online, but it's what I want to do and I have the BR right now so I'm going to give it a go. If it doesn't work out, I can always find another job. If I don't give this a real go, though, I'll always regret it. I also have tons of relative in NJ, so I can move there and play online legally if it comes to that.. Regardless, I appreciate your well wishes and your subbing this thread.

I also hear what you're saying about showing hands, and I'm sure that you know that there's more than one school of thought about it. I really don't have a strong opinion either way. Regardless, I appreciate your letting me know your opinion about showing hands. I ASKED for opinions/recommendations, and that is a valid thing to point out. I'll be more careful about it in the future.

-HooDoo

 

[HooDooKoo]

In. Try to avoid the huge wall of hands posts (like the 1st couple ITT) and you'll get better/more analysis.

Yeah what WVH said, I usually look at cash threads but the second I see a wall of hands, I just close it lol. Too much work. Save a few really tough spots (half of these seem pretty std) and post those, then the responses will come. And also, involve yourself more in the analysis. It's good of you to post the hands, but get a little more back and forth going with the responders imo.

I understand what you guys are saying about walls of texts in hand postings. This thread contains my very first hand posts, and my first effort was clearly too long. I'm trying to tighten them up, so bear with me for a bit. Having said that, I'll try and give some analysis while keeping the text brief.

Thanks for the tips.

-HooDoo

 

[Matt Vaughan]

In. Not much time for HA atm, so I'll just chime in about the NJ thing. I wouldn't necessarily assume right off the bat that there's going to be a beatable, well-trafficked range of levels around mid-stakes just yet.

 

[Blobweird123]

In. Not much time for HA atm, so I'll just chime in about the NJ thing. I wouldn't necessarily assume right off the bat that there's going to be a beatable, well-trafficked range of levels around mid-stakes just yet.

party poker has solid traffic all the way through mid stakes with a few tables of high stakes even. 2 full tables of 25/50 running atm. 12 tables of 2/4. Surprisingly better traffic than Bovada for cash games.

 

[Mr Sandbag]

Subbed. Like others said, it's probably not great to post walls of hands. Most of us are subbed in a few similar threads around here and don't really have time to be analyzing a dozen hands at a time in one thread. In my thread, I like to pick one or two hands where I'm caught in an odd spot.

Good luck!

 

[Cafeman]

GL but it aint gonna be easy to make a living from it.

Hand 16, of course snap fold with TP. Well played. I would not bet turn either. One of the villains has to have a FD.

As a general point, do you think it's best to not bet the turn when you believe a large part of villain's range is a FD? Maybe I've misunderstood what you mean.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

GL but it aint gonna be easy to make a living from it.


As a general point, do you think it's best to not bet the turn when you believe a large part of villain's range is a FD? Maybe I've misunderstood what you mean.

I thought I was fairly straightforward with what I said. I don't really understand what you misunderstood.

If we are in a hand with a board texture like that, and we bet the flop, and get 2 callers - generally I am not betting the turn. I feel like one of them probably hit a flush. And also (not looking at the HH now, but from memory earlier) hero is OOP. So if we bet the turn, and get called (or raised) now how do we feel? I would not continue past turn. I am C/F the turn.


Now I do understand maybe people could exploit me for these views. And maybe if I am only against one villain, things would be different. But all hero has is 1 pair here.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

OK yeah just re-read HH for 16.


Yeah we bet flop with TPGK, and get called in two spots.

Flush comes home on the turn. We check (it is what I would do there OOP).


And if that's not bad enough, the board pairs on the river. Done with the hand from turn on.

 

[RamdeeBen]

Subbed, best of luck HooDooKoo!

 

[Cafeman]

Mr Killa, looks like I misread the hand, or confused it with one of the sea of hands originally posted. I thought the flush hadn't come in on the turn. Yeah as you said, x/f turn/river in that hand.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Mr Killa, looks like I misread the hand, or confused it with one of the sea of hands originally posted. I thought the flush hadn't come in on the turn. Yeah as you said, x/f turn/river in that hand.

I misread stuff frequently also.

 

[ScottishMatt]

In. Will jump in on those last hands that were reposted.

16 - you know exactly where you are on this one. WP.

17 - as standard vs an unknown fish then we definitely should be folding. Most likely you ran into one of the few fish who are willing to do this.

18 - Can heavily discount KK so IMO we are against 77/44/flushes/spazz. I'm definitely GII on this river. I actually tend to size down in a lot of spots compared to most people but I would be going $25 at least OTR and never folding/looking to GII.

19 - I fold to the flop raise for sure. We are raising PF for 4.5x cause he is a fish right? If that is the case then we should be playing safe postflop and expect him to be passive a lot of the time. Depending on some metagame factors you could make a case for calling the flop, even so we should snap fold this turn as it is the nut worst card to bluff on so when he bets it he has us all the time IMO.

Got to go. Glad I popped in though, this could be a great learning experience for everyone involved.

Good night, and run well.

 

[HooDooKoo]

Thanks to the new subbers and the new well wishes. They are much appreciated.

Had a nightmare session on Saturday at 200NL. Down 4+ BIs. Played bad and ran bad. Hands to follow.

-HooDooKoo

 

[HooDooKoo]

Hand 20:

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

MP ($87)
CO ($175.45)
Hero (Button) ($308.10)
SB ($146.40)
BB ($426.09)
UTG ($247.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with

,

UTG calls $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $13, 3 folds, CO calls $11

Flop: ($31)

,

,

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $23.50, CO calls $23.50

Turn: ($78)

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $49, CO raises to $138.95 (All-In), Hero calls $89.95

River: ($355.90)

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $355.90 | Rake: $3


Results below:
Hero had K

, K

(one pair, Kings).
CO had 9

, 9

(three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: CO won $352.90

One of my potentially bad plays (with a healthy dose of bad luck). Against a relative unknown --- but obvious fish (open-limping CO with 99) --- is the turn a fold? He's got T9 in his range. He may have had a flush draw on flop and picked up straight draw on the turn. And he could have JJ or QQ (although limping makes that unlikely, it's not that different than limping 99). He also clearly has TT, 55, 22, and 99 in his range. I thought I was beaten, but called the last $90 anyway because of the lesser overpair or drawing possibilities. Thoughts?

 

[WVHillbilly]

It's pretty unlikely that a passive fish (under 100bb, limp/call pre) will suddenly get super aggro on the turn with any draw. He MIGHT have JJ there on occasion but probably not much else that you're beating.