Duggs Deepstack thread

[duggs]

well this is my month so far, maybe i can't beat 50nl anymore?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

-20 BI = can't beat poker? I'm ****ed then - done that at least 4-5 times.

 

[BluffMeAllIn]

a month without a single post, only saw that once before itt. I mean can't let the epic deepstack thread die

How goes the job hunt and poker grinding?

 

[duggs]

a month without a single post, only saw that once before itt. I mean can't let the epic deepstack thread die

How goes the job hunt and poker grinding?

Sorry iv been slack, iv been meaning to necro this thread but its hard once its been quiet for a while.

So life updates,

-still job hunting, going well but no job yet.
-went to barcelona on holiday last month for a week, got food poisoning, spent a night in a spanish hospital, was strange.
-played only 7k hands last month. up $400

roll is about 2.5k and im rolled for 50 comfortably ish for a while. moved back up, been mixing 25 and 50. this month iv put in 4k hands so far and am up 400ish.

got a bunch of hands to post. but since interesting questions usually bring people out of the woodwork. I was planning on travelling to budapest with my mum when she comes to visit, but with the trains being closed and millions of refugees travelling through it doesnt seem like the best time to go there, alternative suggestions?

 

[duggs]

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PokerStars - $0.25 Ante $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 201.88 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (UTG): 615.36 BB
CO: 129.24 BB (VPIP: 36.67, PFR: 23.33, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 31)
BTN: 250 BB (VPIP: 24.67, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 6.76, Hands: 151)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 32.19, PFR: 21.00, 3Bet Preflop: 6.42, Hands: 447)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 5 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has K:heart: J:heart:

Hero raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (10.4 BB, 3 players) 6:heart: 7:heart: 8:diamond:
BB bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB, CO raises to 30.4 BB, BB raises to 198.68 BB and is all-in, fold,

Straightforward fold, but whats our calling range?

 

[duggs]

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PokerStars - $0.25 Ante $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 250.4 BB
SB: 118.4 BB (VPIP: 20.30, PFR: 15.74, 3Bet Preflop: 7.00, Hands: 204)
BB: 203.92 BB (VPIP: 23.39, PFR: 16.37, 3Bet Preflop: 8.11, Hands: 177)
CO: 250 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 4 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.2 BB) Hero has J:heart: J:club:

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (21.8 BB, 2 players) 3:heart: 3:diamond: 7:club:
SB checks, Hero bets 13.52 BB, SB raises to 30.04 BB,

Is this a nitreg just playing the nuts weirdly? how are people playing this v a c/r in a 3b pot?


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PokerStars - $0.25 Ante $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 102.8 BB (VPIP: 25.53, PFR: 17.42, 3Bet Preflop: 4.93, Hands: 350)
SB: 272.24 BB (VPIP: 18.54, PFR: 16.01, 3Bet Preflop: 10.13, Hands: 362)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.63, PFR: 22.12, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 703)
UTG: 266 BB
Hero (CO): 453.24 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 5 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has A:club: Q:spade:

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG raises to 22 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

Flop: (46.4 BB, 2 players) A:spade: J:diamond: 9:club:
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (46.4 BB, 2 players) 9:heart:
UTG checks, Hero bets 28.8 BB, UTG calls 28.8 BB

River: (104 BB, 2 players) 3:heart:
UTG checks, Hero bets 60 BB, UTG raises to 215 BB and is all-in, fold

UTG wins 216 BB


really unsure about villians range here. seems like a terrible bluff spot, im slightly capped, but at the same time villains nut combos are blocked.


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Hand v a potential sicko, he was playing up to 200nl and 200plo simultaneously.

PokerStars - $0.50 Ante $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 359.1 BB
SB: 264.18 BB (VPIP: 27.50, PFR: 21.29, 3Bet Preflop: 12.65, Hands: 807)
BB: 250 BB (VPIP: 32.21, PFR: 22.65, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, Hands: 586)
UTG: 111.04 BB (VPIP: 28.62, PFR: 21.22, 3Bet Preflop: 7.44, Hands: 951)
CO: 190.9 BB (VPIP: 37.87, PFR: 25.73, 3Bet Preflop: 3.48, Hands: 777)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 5 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has Q:heart: Q:spade:

UTG raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 14 BB, fold, BB raises to 36.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 22.5 BB

Flop: (80.5 BB, 2 players) 2:club: 7:spade: 7:club:
BB bets 31 BB, Hero calls 31 BB

Turn: (142.5 BB, 2 players) K:heart:
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (142.5 BB, 2 players) J:club:
BB bets 77.5 BB, fold

BB wins 137.5 BB

it sucks to get cold 4bet here, folding seems bad ip, 5betting doesnt seem great, is this just a nutworst runout where im going to have far better hands to play slowly. I would be checking back KK/JJ here on the turn.

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PokerStars - $0.50 Ante $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 276.52 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
UTG: 258 BB (VPIP: 26.36, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 8.45, Hands: 935)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.30, PFR: 21.02, 3Bet Preflop: 7.35, Hands: 168)
CO: 102.88 BB (VPIP: 20.56, PFR: 14.97, 3Bet Preflop: 5.29, Hands: 513)
Hero (BTN): 319.02 BB
SB: 149.58 BB (VPIP: 26.15, PFR: 14.36, 3Bet Preflop: 3.75, Hands: 199)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 6 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.7 BB) Hero has 9:club: J:club:

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (22.7 BB, 2 players) 7:heart: Q:heart: Q:spade:
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: (22.7 BB, 2 players) T:diamond:
CO checks, Hero bets 14.08 BB, CO calls 14.08 BB

River: (50.86 BB, 2 players) 4:heart:
CO checks, Hero bets 31.56 BB,

not the best 3bet combination, but i really like river, not sure bout rest of the hand.

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PokerStars - $0.50 Ante $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 189.84 BB (VPIP: 21.98, PFR: 15.45, 3Bet Preflop: 2.82, Hands: 520)
BTN: 250.5 BB (VPIP: 25.71, PFR: 18.76, 3Bet Preflop: 8.67, Hands: 836)
SB: 312.24 BB (VPIP: 32.76, PFR: 22.98, 3Bet Preflop: 5.47, Hands: 667)
BB: 107.9 BB (VPIP: 22.46, PFR: 19.65, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 296)
Hero (UTG): 315.66 BB
MP: 214.36 BB (VPIP: 26.98, PFR: 15.08, 3Bet Preflop: 1.96, Hands: 128)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 6 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.7 BB) Hero has K:club: K:diamond:

Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, BTN raises to 17 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 38 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 21 BB

Flop: (84.7 BB, 2 players) 9:club: 8:heart: J:spade:
Hero bets 42 BB, BTN calls 42 BB

Turn: (168.7 BB, 2 players) 9:heart:
Hero bets 176 BB,

Is this too thin?

 

[Mr Sandbag]

1/// Calling range looks and is narrow, but I don't see how else we could play this vs a BB lead.

2/// Feels like KK+ or air but not sure if I believe he's c/r instead of a cbet with air.

3/// Shitty spot without info. Not sure we can just assume he's turning QQ/KK or something into a bluff, and if he's going to bluff with other random stuff he's more likely to do it on the turn I think.

4/// Kinda lost. Fold I guess. Awful runout.

5/// Why not cbet flop? And what are we repping on the river after checking flop?

6/// Wow that's close. Like do we b/f turn? Or check turn and c/f a lot of rivers? I'm not too confident we are getting called by worse too often when we jam turn.

 

[duggs]

1/// Calling range looks and is narrow, but I don't see how else we could play this vs a BB lead.

2/// Feels like KK+ or air but not sure if I believe he's c/r instead of a cbet with air.

3/// Shitty spot without info. Not sure we can just assume he's turning QQ/KK or something into a bluff, and if he's going to bluff with other random stuff he's more likely to do it on the turn I think.

4/// Kinda lost. Fold I guess. Awful runout.

5/// Why not cbet flop? And what are we repping on the river after checking flop?

6/// Wow that's close. Like do we b/f turn? Or check turn and c/f a lot of rivers? I'm not too confident we are getting called by worse too often when we jam turn.

1/// specifically what hands tho? whats the best hand we fold? which draws do we call with?

2/// so fold?

3///// he has 1 value combo tho, IF he checks AA twice.

4/// runout relegates this hand to bottom of range territory

5//// I would be checking alot here, TT+ basically

 

[duggs]

6/// im not going to b/f with pot behind. so its either jam, x/c or x/f

 

[Figaroo2]

1/
Straightforward fold, but whats our calling range?

It's a great flop for semi bluffing so Id call with any set. I would probably call with the dumb end if I had 5h6h (rather nervous with bottom set) and 9h Ah maybe Kh9h.

 

[Mr Sandbag]

1/// I don't even know if we can call with over pairs honestly. Not really experienced enough to know how often people are playing 99+ like this online.

2/// Feels exploitable though. If we fold JJ then what are we ever calling with?

3/// Does he play JJ like this pre? I was thinking JJ/AA. I'm just finding it hard to believe he's bluffing in that spot lol.

5/// Why?

6/// I agree. Just don't know if I like jamming. But I can't decide if we should x/c or x/f.

 

[duggs]

It's a great flop for semi bluffing so Id call with any set. I would probably call with the dumb end if I had 5h6h (rather nervous with bottom set) and 9h Ah maybe Kh9h.

im probably folding bottom set and any non nut straight, 56hh is a yuck spot but it goes in. middle set is equally yuck

AThh? JThh?

 

[duggs]

1/// I don't even know if we can call with over pairs honestly. Not really experienced enough to know how often people are playing 99+ like this online.

2/// Feels exploitable though. If we fold JJ then what are we ever calling with?

3/// Does he play JJ like this pre? I was thinking JJ/AA. I'm just finding it hard to believe he's bluffing in that spot lol.

5/// Why?

6/// I agree. Just don't know if I like jamming. But I can't decide if we should x/c or x/f.

1///// I think 66 is a fold here, so 99+ gets snap folded. v 2 ranges overpairs are dead. 77 might be a fold, maybe its hard to say.

2/// 77, any AA we flat, its highly exploitable, but most exploitive plays are.

3/// I dont know, its not a smart combo to 4bet or x flop with so its mainly AA that takes this line, maybe AK sometimes but it would be value cutting itself very hard. there is a valid argument that i should xb river or fold preflop.

5/// because i only want to put 2 bets in with my value bets and its a slightly WA/WB spot. lots of Qx in his defending range. I dunno id play AA like this, and id be betting flush draws, AhK and AQ/KQ on the flop. i havent fully thought out my ranges but doubt this is a good spot to bluff with no blockers.

6/// I doubt he squeezes 88 or 99 so its literally a range of TT-KK wwith the occasional AA thrown in there on the turn, think we are ahead alot, just hard to extract value and allowing him to see the river is bad for alot of our range.

 

[Figaroo2]

im probably folding bottom set and any non nut straight, 56hh is a yuck spot but it goes in. middle set is equally yuck
AThh? JThh?

He could be using the fact that you know nothing about him to semi-bluff quite wide, we tend to give unknowns more respect than they deserve in these spots.
This is why I'd call with a set, although I agree bottom set maybe best folded. A set is still a good draw to a boat of course in case we are behind 9T.
I agree all overpairs are a snap fold, imo you need to have some decent equity of improving to at least a flush in case he flopped a straight.
I think AhTh JThh are folds as he has plenty of 9 blockers in his flopped straights and semibluffs.

 

[duggs]

He could be using the fact that you know nothing about him to semi-bluff quite wide, we tend to give unknowns more respect than they deserve in these spots.
This is why I'd call with a set, although I agree bottom set maybe best folded. A set is still a good draw to a boat of course in case we are behind 9T.
I agree all overpairs are a snap fold, imo you need to have some decent equity of improving to at least a flush in case he flopped a straight.
I think AhTh JThh are folds as he has plenty of 9 blockers in his flopped straights and semibluffs.

remember its almost definitely going 3way, getting oversetted sucks, as does being out flushed as our equity becomes pretty dire.

 

[duggs]

RESULTS

Hand 1/// KJhh
i folded obv, but it was middle set up against T9, so against their exact hands i had enough equity, but range wise im in trouble.

2//// JJ
I stationed, had AA obv. noted and moved on


3/// AQ
I folded, no idea what he had but AA seems somewhat likely, or a way overplayed AK

4//// QQ
folded, yuck runout, felt like he just had a range advantage and im at the bottom of mine

5/// J9cc
called by 88, dont think its amazing.

6//// villain tanked forever and folded, surmised that they had QQ/TT, which if they are folding makes my shove lighting money on fire, but maybe it was something weaker.

 

[duggs]

Villain is 4betting 88 and 99, and is 6bet shoving 99 preflop 6 handed for deep stacks, so he has no TT in his flatting range, we can also infer he is probably aggressive. whats our calling range look like on each street? let me know what your 3betting range would be, and what you bet/call and bet/3bet and bet/fold on the flop. what you call turn and river with?

PokerStars - $0.50 Ante $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 240.36 BB (VPIP: 28.72, PFR: 18.09, 3Bet Preflop: 14.89, Hands: 96)
Hero (BB): 250 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB, 2 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.9 BB) Hero has Q:diamond: K:heart:

SB raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, SB calls 7 BB

Flop: (20.4 BB, 2 players) T:club: 2:spade: K:spade:
Hero bets 12.66 BB, SB raises to 32 BB, Hero calls 19.34 BB

Turn: (84.4 BB, 2 players) 6:heart:
Hero checks, SB bets 67 BB, Hero calls 67 BB

River: (218.4 BB, 2 players) 4:heart:
Hero checks, SB bets 131.16 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 131.16 BB

 

[Figaroo2]

Well as no one seems to be offering up....
I take it these stats are from when you were sat at a fullish 6max table with him and then he came into a side table with you. My first instinct with this sort of player is you just have to pick a hand and go with it.. Here you flop Tpgk which is strong enough to go with 4me. We could wait quite a while to flop a hand this strong. Id just have to hope he doesn't have a set of 2s.
Tbh we dont have enough hands on him to know what to fully expect but 6bet shoving medium pairs is pretty extreme if you have seen that already.
Considering that he flats your 3bet rather than getting into a raising war would rule out a lot of hands then. I wouldn't expect AK here for example which helps us.
Id favour him to have a draw or 22 here. Maybe he pushes KJ KT K9 as well.
I'd expect a raise from any flush draw but especially AQ AJ QJ. so if we are giving him a draw its a call down on this runout with pretty much any decent K but a fold if the flush arrives and hes still betting.
Id be worried if a J came in turn or river for him to make 2pair KJ.
So my calling range on the flop is any K QQ JJ Tx. I would want to see what he does on the turn before folding to a flop raise.
If he fires the turn big Im folding my 2nd pair hands.
Others can input on the 3betting ranges.

 

[duggs]

thanks fig, ill wait until scourge and sand get their asses into gear (all posts obviously welcome for all the lurkers)

in other news had a +13bi day today which is nice. ran pretty well played some hands poorly so will be posting them swell

 

[Mr Sandbag]

I think I like 3b flop. His range is super draw heavy. If he 4b it puts us in a bad spot but it's not a reason to not 3b because he flats loads of hands. As played I wouldn't mind trying to gii on turn for basically the same reasons.

 

[duggs]

aaannd -10bi day today, those swings are brutal

 

[Matt Vaughan]

thanks fig, ill wait until scourge and sand get their asses into gear (all posts obviously welcome for all the lurkers)

You dick. Fine.

Villain is 4betting 88 and 99, and is 6bet shoving 99 preflop 6 handed for deep stacks, so he has no TT in his flatting range, we can also infer he is probably aggressive. whats our calling range look like on each street? let me know what your 3betting range would be, and what you bet/call and bet/3bet and bet/fold on the flop. what you call turn and river with?

PokerStars - $0.50 Ante $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 240.36 BB (VPIP: 28.72, PFR: 18.09, 3Bet Preflop: 14.89, Hands: 96)
Hero (BB): 250 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB, 2 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.9 BB) Hero has Q<font color='red'>♦</font> K<font color='red'>♥</font>

SB raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, SB calls 7 BB

Flop: (20.4 BB, 2 players) T<font color='black'>♣</font> 2<font color='black'>♠</font> K<font color='black'>♠</font>
Hero bets 12.66 BB, SB raises to 32 BB, Hero calls 19.34 BB

Turn: (84.4 BB, 2 players) 6<font color='red'>♥</font>
Hero checks, SB bets 67 BB, Hero calls 67 BB

River: (218.4 BB, 2 players) 4<font color='red'>♥</font>
Hero checks, SB bets 131.16 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 131.16 BB

Pre is obv fine and standard. My 3betting range would consist of primarily a depolarized value range that can stand a raise from his 4bet range I guess. TT+, KJs, KQ, AJ+ or so. I guess some air sometimes is fine, but it should probably not be anything that we have to 3b/fold unless it's pure garbage.

On the flop, is this our standard sizing on such a wet board? We're not all that deep so I'm just genuinely wondering if we can size bigger - doubt we really get exploited for it (by him folding significantly more). Based on what we think his 4bet range is, it's probably going to skew his x/r range pretty heavily to draws (and bottom set). Which means we almost always have the best hand, with loads of equity, against a hand that probably won't fold. Agree with Sand here with 3betting flop. It's pretty unbalanced but I don't think it matters. I'm also 3betting the NFD here.

As played, turn and river seem super standard to me.

 

[duggs]

You dick. Fine.



Pre is obv fine and standard. My 3betting range would consist of primarily a depolarized value range that can stand a raise from his 4bet range I guess. TT+, KJs, KQ, AJ+ or so. I guess some air sometimes is fine, but it should probably not be anything that we have to 3b/fold unless it's pure garbage.

On the flop, is this our standard sizing on such a wet board? We're not all that deep so I'm just genuinely wondering if we can size bigger - doubt we really get exploited for it (by him folding significantly more). Based on what we think his 4bet range is, it's probably going to skew his x/r range pretty heavily to draws (and bottom set). Which means we almost always have the best hand, with loads of equity, against a hand that probably won't fold. Agree with Sand here with 3betting flop. It's pretty unbalanced but I don't think it matters. I'm also 3betting the NFD here.

As played, turn and river seem super standard to me.

I was a little concerned that we 3bet flop and he doesn't put stacks in on brick turns, but i dunno if he will be shoving, I love 3betting NFD as it basically does the same thing but turn folds are great for our range, I'm probably 3betting some TT/Axss/AQss/AJss on the flop, but flatting AK/AA/KK/KQ/QJss/QsJ on the flop, folding pretty much everything else. might call down with QQ/JJ on flop but fold later i guess.

I felt that by calling on flop we can free roll him, by putting no money in when he gets there, but calling him down when he bricks, thoughts?

 

[duggs]

last two days have been another -10bi combined. some of its runbad, lots of it is just playing poorly, getting stubborn when i should just be making good folds.

and getting the nut worst runouts for my exact hand alot.

still rolled for 50 but not nearly as comfortably as a few days ago, but exactly where i was 2 weeks ago so not the worst i guess.

 

[Figaroo2]

When I'm losing too much I like to tighten up a bit to make sure I'm playing postflop in less marginal spots.