*Don't Touch* Oreo's Cash Game Grind

[vinylspiros]

-5.8 BI in 1600 hands doesnt even sound noteworthy TBH. I mean,sure it sucks but ive had sessions where i lost 10BI's playing perfectly whithin the first 500 hands.

Not trying to belittle your situation but im sure you know that a 6 BI downswing is more than standard.

I hope things turn around for you soon as im sure they will and remember we've ALL been there done that.


Keep playing your A-game and you will get back on track for sure.

 

[or3o1990]

Thanks, I appreciate the support you guys. I did make a couple of mistakes but felt that I played well for the most part, so it's all good. It's just the nature of the beast.

Yeah vinyl, I actually said just that to Fig yesterday. I know all of you have experienced much worse downswings that I have. So I'll be sure not to do too much whining. I've just go to take it in stride and focus on playing my best and developing my game.

 

[or3o1990]

I'm going to be headed to Milwaukee, WI on Wednesday and I am stoked! I've honestly been in Alabama way too long and cannot wait to put "Doggie Dachau" in my review. I'll be staying with friends and family while I'm in the Midwest for the next few months. Then after my sister's graduation and my cousin's wedding, both in June I'll be headed back down south to Florida for a bit.

I've been getting a bit burned out from grinding. So no poker for me this week. I'm just going to take it easy and enjoy myself for a change. However, I plan to come back as strong and motivated as ever! I'll be reevaluating my goals and most likely be making some adjustments to them which I will post here.Then it's back to work next week Tuesday!

 

[Figaroo2]

Yeah bud we all need a holiday at some point. Have a great time and catch up when you're back.

 

[or3o1990]

First day back after a week off and all in all it went ok I guess.. Lost 1.5BI but it is what it is..

 

[vinylspiros]

welcome back. did u miss the grind?

 

[or3o1990]

welcome back. did u miss the grind?

Yes I did actually. It felt good to sit down and play again for sure.

 

[or3o1990]

I just wanted to drop by and say that even though I've been sleeping on Skype and the forums I have definitely still been grinding!! Been playing a lot of 1/3 at the local casino and I've been doing ok so far.

Wisconsin is the opposite of Alabama for me. In bama I couldn't find anything to do but in Milwaukee I can't find downtime. I've got a wedding to go to next month then I'm going to head somewhere a bit more peaceful. Until then I'll just keep hanging out at 1/3.

 

[vinylspiros]

glgl

 

[Figaroo2]

Ohhhh love a bit of chip porn. Welcome back buddy you sound refreshed!

 

[or3o1990]

Ty.

The past few weeks have been refreshing indeed! Just trying to balance work and play I guess. I'll be going to the casino tonight and I wouldn't mind building a nice red pyramid. We'll see what happens.

 

[Aces2w1n]

how did it go??

 

[or3o1990]

I won a little over 2bi that night. Then lost one back the following day.

 

[Figaroo2]

Should be useful for your live play.

http://excellingatnolimitholdem.com/webinars/live-excelling-webinars.php?ref=TENDLER

 

[xdeucesx]

http://excellingatnolimitholdem.com/webinars/live-excelling-webinars.php?ref=TENDLER

Can confirm, this is worth looking into. If you read his verbal poker tells book, I actually got a few hands/analysis in there myself, so as a complete shill, watch this

 

[or3o1990]

Whoops, I didn't mean to let my thread die! My trip across the Midwest is over thank yeezus! I had a lot of fun and got to catch up with friends and family but I was having a hard time getting work done online whilst sofa surfing.

I just arrived in sunny Florida and plan to ride the rest of the year out here. I've got a stack of books to reread, a few coaching sessions already paid for and most importantly hands to play!! I've got some plans on how I'm going to take my game to the next level by years end. Stay tuned

 

[duggs]

weeeee glglgl

 

[fiveohtwo502]

Where at in FL? Hows the action??

 

[BenjiHustle]

In. Herro.

 

[or3o1990]

weeeee glglgl

tytyty!

Where at in FL? Hows the action??

I'm about 30 minutes south of Sarasota Florida. They have a kennel club there that has a card room and the Hard Rock in Tampa is about two hours away from me. I haven't gone and checked them out yet but from what I've heard around the felt in Milwaukee the games are supposed to be extremely juicy! I might be able to check it out this weekend so I'll keep you posted.

In. Herro.

Ayyee



So I've been easing myself back into my normal play schedule slowly but surely. Normally I'd play six hours a day six days a week, taking Mondays off. I'm going to cut myself another week of slack as I work up to that but then it's on!! So far at the online tables I feel pretty good. I had a wierd session yesterday. I was playing on BCP and Bovada and I didn't really notice it until the end of my session but I was getting totally out of line on Bovada like 26/19 but I was playing very solidly at BCP like 17/14. I've got to rein that in.

 

[or3o1990]

Been having decent sessions I guess. They're mostly good but I seem to make one huge blunder that kind of ruins the whole session for me. I guess I've got a bit of rust to shake off yet.


I was having some fun with AK today. Here's a few..



iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 80.15 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 34)
MP: 106.45 BB (VPIP: 8.22, PFR: 4.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 73)
Hero (MP+1): 168.45 BB
MP+2: 111.4 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 56.35 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
BTN: 36.55 BB (VPIP: 25.71, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
SB: 88.05 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 3.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
BB: 30 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
UTG: 165.5 BB (VPIP: 26.87, PFR: 23.88, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 67)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ K♣

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) Q♦ 6♠ Q♥
BB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, BB calls 5 BB

Turn: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 8♦
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 5♥
BB bets 8.25 BB, fold

BB wins 23.95 BB




iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 30.68 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
UTG+1: 103 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
MP: 115.77 BB (VPIP: 19.44, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 36)
MP+1: 109.55 BB (VPIP: 2.70, PFR: 2.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
Hero (MP+2): 98 BB
CO: 151.7 BB (VPIP: 12.12, PFR: 12.12, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 33)
BTN: 98 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
SB: 38 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 110.3 BB (VPIP: 36.59, PFR: 17.07, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 41)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥ K♠

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 8 BB, MP raises to 32.72 BB, fold, fold

MP wins 51.22 BB






iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 100 BB
CO: 77.45 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BTN: 34.05 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: 93.75 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 122.7 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 3)
UTG+1: 23.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
MP: 204.35 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB, MP+1 posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has K♣ A♣

UTG raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 4 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 16.5 BB, UTG calls 12.5 BB, fold

Flop: (38.5 BB, 2 players) 3♣ T♠ 5♥
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: (38.5 BB, 2 players) 6♥
Hero checks, UTG bets 20 BB, Hero calls 20 BB

River: (78.5 BB, 2 players) J♦
Hero checks, UTG bets 78.5 BB, fold

UTG wins 154 BB

 

[duggs]

1st im wavering on cbetting or not

2nd looks good

3rd im almost certainly cbetting here.

will go over in more detail soon

 

[or3o1990]

1st im wavering on cbetting or not

2nd looks good

3rd im almost certainly cbetting here.

will go over in more detail soon

Sounds good dude.






I'm running pretty bad lately. My draws not getting there but the villains draws are, running into the tops of ranges, set over set etc.. It's frustrating but necessary and honestly after such a long break from the virtual felt I'm glad happening now. What better wake my game up than diving head first into the frigid waters of variance!?

That said, let me be clear though. I haven't been playing my best either. It's obvious to me that I'm a bit rusty in practice in a few areas. I'm more prone to tilting. Which is causing me to be more impulsive than I am normally. There are other things, like math that I could use a refresher in as well.

Let me end on a positive note by saying that there are some things I am understanding more clearly, like hand ranges. I had to do a good bit of adjusting playing live because of the excessive amount limp calling that was going on. I think being forced to adjust a bit helped me to better understand what kind of ranges I'm up against. I've been able to sniff out more bluffing opportunities and thin value bets as a result.

 

[or3o1990]

Starting to feel a bit demoralized lately but I felt very good about how I played today.


To bet or not bet the turn?



Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 60.25 BB (VPIP: 52.94, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
BB: 237.38 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
UTG: 156.44 BB (VPIP: 23.45, PFR: 14.66, 3Bet Preflop: 4.10, Hands: 474)
UTG+1: 71.97 BB (VPIP: 30.73, PFR: 17.32, 3Bet Preflop: 4.41, Hands: 181)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.82, PFR: 15.20, 3Bet Preflop: 5.95, Hands: 1,371)
MP+1: 71.03 BB (VPIP: 17.01, PFR: 6.80, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 152)
MP+2: 64.68 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 3.85, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
Hero (CO): 103.5 BB
BTN: 205.3 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥ J♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) Q♣ J♠ 6♣
SB checks, BB checks, MP+2 checks, Hero bets 7.6 BB, SB calls 7.6 BB, fold, fold

Turn: (27.2 BB, 2 players) 5♠
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (27.2 BB, 2 players) T♣
SB checks, Hero checks

SB shows J♣ T♠ (Two Pair, Jacks and Tens)
(Pre 27%, Flop 19%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows A♥ J♥ (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 73%, Flop 81%, Turn 93%)
SB wins 25.84 BB

0.24 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.




iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 108.94 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (BB): 101 BB
UTG: 164.17 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
UTG+1: 90.6 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 14)
MP: 94.9 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
MP+1: 84.75 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 43.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
CO: 148.65 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BTN: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 10)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♠ J♠

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 2 BB, CO calls 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, MP+1 calls 7 BB, fold

Flop: (20.5 BB, 2 players) 7♦ 2♥ 2♦
Hero bets 12 BB, MP+1 calls 12 BB

Turn: (44.5 BB, 2 players) T♦
Hero bets 22.25 BB, MP+1 raises to 63.75 BB, fold

MP+1 wins 127.5 BB




Call or nah?


iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 121.15 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
BTN: 65.45 BB (VPIP: 47.37, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
SB: 159.25 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 19)
Hero (BB): 114.15 BB
UTG: 64 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 29)
UTG+1: 55.1 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
MP: 21.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♠ T♠

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 6 BB, UTG+1 calls 5 BB, BTN calls 5 BB

Flop: (18.5 BB, 3 players) Q♦ 4♦ 8♣
Hero bets 9 BB, fold, BTN calls 9 BB

Turn: (36.5 BB, 2 players) K♦
Hero bets 18.25 BB, BTN raises to 50.45 BB, Hero??

 

[Figaroo2]

AcKc on the paired Q board is a normal double barrel for me, if they call twice not another cent goes in. These boards are very difficult to call twice without a Q and I'm pretty sure the Zion training was that a double is required to get the JJ TT to fold.

AK the fold preflop, its a big overbet which makes me wonder what hand is doing that into two players, at least JJ+ I suppose so flipping at best, if I was oop I'd definitely fold. I just don't like 3betting AK for value and then laying it down especially in position.
But with the strength shown, if we flat the 4 bet we are going to whiff 2/3 of the time and are going to have to fold too often on the flop to a likely very large pot committing flop bet. So yeah 5bet or fold here with the sizing in this hand.

AK on the T high flop, no one folds on a T high flop to a single cbet (stats apparently show that more players call a cbet on a T high flop than any other board) so unless you are planning to double barrel oop then cbetting once is a no no for me, its double or nothing. He's called a big 3bet so he's got a decent pair or AK AQ most of the time so we don't beat much I'm happy just to give up immediately here and John has told me several times to give up these spots when we whiff the flop oop with AK