*Don't Touch* Oreo's Cash Game Grind

[or3o1990]

That's kind of what I was thinking. I know it's a big deal if you're trying to play in big games or home games. It something I should work on a tiny bit I think.

On a side note, I haven't read much the past week but I'm going to get to back to it. I've got a few pages to finish "Proffesional No Limit Holdem". Then I plan to cruise through "How to Read hands at No limit Holdem". It looks like it's maybe 140 pages max. I also picked up a couple of psychology books as well. I'm going to start in on "Predictably Irrational" today.

Also, I'm thinking about buying flopzilla. Have any of you used it or similar software ? What are your thoughts?

 

[xdeucesx]

If you're going to focus on live/put some time into it, pick up Reading Poker tells and Verbal poker tells from Zach Ellwood. They're the GOAT for that category.

Also, I got a few hand excerpts in verbal poker tells as well, so I have to push it now

 

[or3o1990]

If you're going to focus on live/put some time into it, pick up Reading Poker Tells and Verbal Poker Tells from Zach Ellwood. They're the GOAT for that category.

Also, I got a few hand excerpts in verbal poker tells as well, so I have to push it now

I'll have to check those out. I'm definitely going to be grinding live in the future.


How do you all feel about this here??


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 112.75 BB (VPIP: 31.71, PFR: 21.95, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 42)
UTG: 43.26 BB (VPIP: 18.97, PFR: 3.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 61)
UTG+1: 60.73 BB (VPIP: 27.23, PFR: 2.97, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 206)
MP: 36.7 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 6.38, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 1,597)
MP+1: 114.23 BB (VPIP: 14.93, PFR: 12.24, 3Bet Preflop: 4.50, Hands: 340)
MP+2: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 8.28, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 170)
CO: 116.36 BB (VPIP: 20.81, PFR: 17.54, 3Bet Preflop: 7.77, Hands: 773)
Hero (BTN): 147.64 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.20, PFR: 11.47, 3Bet Preflop: 4.08, Hands: 279)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♠ Q♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 3 BB, CO raises to 11 BB, Hero calls 11 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (26.5 BB, 2 players) J♠ 5♠ A♦
CO bets 14 BB, Hero calls 14 BB

Turn: (54.5 BB, 2 players) 4♥
CO bets 33 BB, Hero calls 33 BB

River: (120.5 BB, 2 players) T♥
CO bets 58.36 BB and is all-in, fold

CO wins 117.5 BB

0.24 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

 

[Figaroo2]

I had an identical hand to this tonight and decided to fold it on the turn, too much AK out there for my liking in 3 bet pots.
On your run out it has to be a good fold, what are you beating that raised preflop? A9s is about it. The best you can hope for is a chop if you call.
MP2 is tight as well so CO is probably stronger than usual here. AA AK JJ AJs its all there

 

[or3o1990]

6max is no fun!


iPoker - $1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 115.84 BB (VPIP: 22.97, PFR: 20.27, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 76)
SB: 123.31 BB (VPIP: 34.38, PFR: 21.88, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 34)
BB: 103.64 BB (VPIP: 19.42, PFR: 12.14, 3Bet Preflop: 4.65, Hands: 212)
UTG: 107.5 BB (VPIP: 18.93, PFR: 15.75, 3Bet Preflop: 7.35, Hands: 3,033)
MP: 61.21 BB (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
CO: 100.67 BB (VPIP: 16.69, PFR: 10.27, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 1,283)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 8♥ 3♦ 5♣
UTG bets 4.04 BB, CO calls 4.04 BB

Turn: (15.58 BB, 2 players) 6♣
UTG bets 7.86 BB, CO raises to 22 BB, UTG calls 14.14 BB

River: (59.58 BB, 2 players) 4♦
UTG checks, CO bets 32 BB, UTG calls 32 BB

UTG shows Q♦ Q♠ (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 81%, Flop 88%, Turn 77%)
CO shows 7♦ 7♣ (Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 19%, Flop 12%, Turn 23%)
CO wins 120.58 BB




I was asking myself the whole way, can he do this with just top pair??





iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 204.4 BB (VPIP: 55.56, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
SB: 79.35 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BB: 36.75 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
UTG: 99.5 BB (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
UTG+1: 42.1 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
MP: 106.4 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP+1: 62.05 BB (VPIP: 43.48, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
Hero (MP+2): 105.4 BB
CO: 127.2 BB (VPIP: 23.64, PFR: 5.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 56)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♦ A♣

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 3.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (10 BB, 2 players) Q♣ 7♦ 6♥
SB bets 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB

Turn: (26 BB, 2 players) 8♠
SB bets 18 BB, Hero calls 18 BB

River: (62 BB, 2 players) 2♠
SB bets 25 BB, Hero??

 

[duggs]

AQ fold seems soooo gross, but at the same time i dunno what we beat.

QQ river sucks but not sure what else to do

AQ is a call.

 

[or3o1990]

With the QQ I was thinking that he wouldn't have many 7's but over's and sets mostly. I wasn't sure what I wanted to do on the turn but what do you think about shoving over his 3bet? I didn't think he would get it in with many of the over's that I was beating..



I did call with AQ and the guy had Q4.



Been taking a beating on BOL. I'll post some hands later..

 

[or3o1990]

This guy on BOL was 3betting the shit out of me. He seems like one of the better players at the level.



iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 84.09 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 41)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.71, PFR: 15.71, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 70)
MP+1: 113.36 BB (VPIP: 23.90, PFR: 15.54, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 253)
MP+2: 103.81 BB (VPIP: 17.73, PFR: 11.35, 3Bet Preflop: 5.66, Hands: 142)
CO: 148.79 BB (VPIP: 18.99, PFR: 15.52, 3Bet Preflop: 7.64, Hands: 3,505)
BTN: 73.95 BB (VPIP: 14.66, PFR: 7.61, 3Bet Preflop: 1.97, Hands: 705)
SB: 110.94 BB (VPIP: 23.04, PFR: 17.07, 3Bet Preflop: 6.96, Hands: 712)
BB: 330.35 BB (VPIP: 17.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 40)
UTG: 133.64 BB (VPIP: 16.01, PFR: 9.86, 3Bet Preflop: 2.01, Hands: 1,687)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 7♦ 5♥ 2♣
SB checks, CO bets 11.42 BB, SB calls 11.42 BB

Turn: (43.84 BB, 2 players) 3♣
SB checks, CO bets 22.2 BB, SB calls 22.2 BB

River: (88.24 BB, 2 players) Q♠
SB bets 67.32 BB, fold

CO shows 9♠ 7♠ (One Pair, Sevens)

SB wins 152.56 BB

 

[duggs]

cant see your hand man

 

[or3o1990]

I'm the co, I have 97s. I probably should have 4bet or folded in hindsight. I'm leaning away from folding though because this guy was really laying into me and I felt like I had to be defending somehow.


Here's another wit the guy where I came out on top.



iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 89.59 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.86, PFR: 11.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 37)
UTG: 155.95 BB (VPIP: 24.18, PFR: 16.12, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 337)
UTG+1: 44.5 BB (VPIP: 62.50, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 8)
MP: 101.14 BB (VPIP: 18.94, PFR: 15.46, 3Bet Preflop: 7.51, Hands: 3,585)
MP+1: 130.01 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 2.35, Hands: 789)
MP+2: 163.85 BB (VPIP: 22.11, PFR: 16.26, 3Bet Preflop: 6.35, Hands: 797)
CO: 458.77 BB (VPIP: 26.23, PFR: 18.85, 3Bet Preflop: 14.55, Hands: 124)
BTN: 110.7 BB (VPIP: 15.93, PFR: 9.84, 3Bet Preflop: 2.04, Hands: 1,772)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, MP+2 raises to 17.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 10.5 BB

Flop: (38.5 BB, 2 players) 7♦ 4♠ 3♣
Hero bets 19.18 BB, MP+2 raises to 146.35 BB and is all-in, MP calls 64.46 BB

Turn: (205.78 BB, 2 players) 4♣

River: (205.78 BB, 2 players) 9♥

Hero shows K♦ K♠ (Two Pair, Kings and Fours)
(Pre 67%, Flop 55%, Turn 75%)
MP+2 shows 5♦ A♦ (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 33%, Flop 45%, Turn 25%)
MP wins 202.78 BB
MP+2 wins 62.71 BB

 

[or3o1990]

iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 108.75 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BTN: 76.45 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (SB): 99 BB
BB: 29 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
UTG: 22.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
UTG+1: 100 BB
MP: 30 BB
MP+1: 27.5 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, UTG+1 posts penalty blind 1 BB, MP posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 3.5 BB) Hero has K♣ J♣

fold, UTG+1 checks, MP checks, fold, CO calls 1 BB, BTN raises to 5 BB, Hero calls 4.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 4 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 3 players) K♦ Q♦ Q♣
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets 11 BB, Hero calls 11 BB, fold

Turn: (40 BB, 2 players) Q♠
Hero checks, BTN bets 15 BB, Hero calls 15 BB

River: (70 BB, 2 players) 9♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 45.45 BB, Hero??

 

[Marginal]

Hard to fold but your pretty much hoping for a chop... Maybe he has a spaz somewhere in his range but it's just so sigh call

 

[or3o1990]

Hard to fold but your pretty much hoping for a chop... Maybe he has a spaz somewhere in his range but it's just so sigh call

That's pretty much what I did was sigh and call. He had AQ. It was probably bad.

 

[or3o1990]

No respect... I did want to shove the river but I screwed myself spr wise.


iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 125.13 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 17.68, 3Bet Preflop: 6.76, Hands: 200)
UTG: 165.55 BB (VPIP: 22.99, PFR: 15.88, 3Bet Preflop: 5.78, Hands: 551)
UTG+1: 131.87 BB (VPIP: 20.74, PFR: 15.77, 3Bet Preflop: 6.21, Hands: 721)
MP: 162.52 BB (VPIP: 22.93, PFR: 10.22, 3Bet Preflop: 2.40, Hands: 365)
MP+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.08, PFR: 15.39, 3Bet Preflop: 7.18, Hands: 4,577)
MP+2: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.10, PFR: 10.03, 3Bet Preflop: 2.07, Hands: 1,859)
CO: 46 BB (VPIP: 11.46, PFR: 5.53, 3Bet Preflop: 2.00, Hands: 257)
BTN: 176.25 BB (VPIP: 39.66, PFR: 15.52, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 58)
SB: 119.82 BB (VPIP: 24.29, PFR: 4.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 70)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 2♦ Q♣ 4♦
UTG checks, MP+1 bets 11.78 BB, UTG calls 11.78 BB

Turn: (43.06 BB, 2 players) 5♠
UTG checks, MP+1 bets 25.11 BB, UTG calls 25.11 BB

River: (93.28 BB, 2 players) K♥
UTG checks, MP+1 checks

UTG shows 3♣ 4♠ (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 36%, Flop 76%, Turn 86%)
MP+1 shows A♣ J♥ (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 64%, Flop 24%, Turn 14%)
UTG wins 90.28 BB

 

[Figaroo2]

It would have been better if you could spoiler his cards so they don't influence the analysis.
Prior to seeing the cards the first thing that came to mind was that this was a strong move by MP but once UTG calls then I expected to see strong ranges from both players.
As it was played it's pretty clear from check calling that UTG has something here and maybe puts MP on AK. Not many players will raise AQ from MP over UTG so really he's gambling you have one of 16 combos of AK rather than QQ+.
Once you understand that UTG has some part of it a lot of the time it's going to be Qx or 88 99 TT JJ The only way to shift him is to use the scare card K and shove on the end. If he put you on AK you just made it so regardless of spr I would have bluffed here and expect him to lay down everything except very strong holdings. You told a strong story and he has no reason to think you don't have it on the end.
AJ doesn't have enough showdown value on its own here I would have to bluff all in, in this spot.

 

[Figaroo2]

Of course I understand why you didn't especially as the K should also hit his ranges as well. This is how our analysis gets skewed by seeing his cards. It all depends on what you think he's check calling with. I certainly wouldn't be putting him on a draw in those circumstances.

 

[or3o1990]

Indeed. I think I could have checked the turn and given up. Otherwise I should have just 1/2p both and shove the river. I felt like I had no fold equity against what I perceived his range to be but I wouldn't need to get a fold very often for the river shove to be ok.

 

[or3o1990]

Playing bad, running bad, feeling worse..

 

[Figaroo2]

Chin up lad we don't give up just because the going gets tough.
I have noticed an increase in the amount of times I'm getting raised both pre and on both the flop and turn by the regs, it's getting tougher no doubt. I can't remember any time when I've had to 4bet and bluff reraise so much. Thankfully it's mostly working. It's like everyone is trying to play like Doyle advocates I SS2.
Got to stand up and fight back straight away then the bullies avoid you.

I was talking with John about confidence and motivation yesterday as I don't feel like I want to play much now either. I'm just messing about at the moment but I have a lot on my mind as you're probably aware.

 

[or3o1990]

I was talking with John about confidence and motivation yesterday as I don't feel like I want to play much now either. I'm just messing about at the moment but I have a lot on my mind as you're probably aware.

I feel you. I've been dealing with some headaches as well. My issue is that I'm out of practice. I'm not as tough mentally as I have been and I'm getting tilted by the variance. I titled then quit last night but as I reviewed my session I realized that I was mostly happy with how I played just not thrilled with the results.

 

[Aces2w1n]

well there is material out there and its about defeating tags lol... soon as ur capped they punish u.. so naturally its variance plus

thats why soon as u have kk and flop a82 and u check they bet bet bet

 

[or3o1990]

Their strategies must be working then..

 

[or3o1990]

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $1 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 40 BB (VPIP: 13.59, PFR: 11.89, 3Bet Preflop: 6.47, Hands: 1,535)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (SB): 108.43 BB
BB: 100.34 BB (VPIP: 21.97, PFR: 7.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 226)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.21, PFR: 13.54, 3Bet Preflop: 4.33, Hands: 1,091)
UTG+1: 132.98 BB (VPIP: 15.32, PFR: 11.96, 3Bet Preflop: 5.28, Hands: 757)
MP: 215.34 BB (VPIP: 21.08, PFR: 14.84, 3Bet Preflop: 4.91, Hands: 471)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has ??

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, MP calls 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB

Flop: (37 BB, 3 players) 2♥ 2♦ 4♥
Hero bets 19 BB, MP calls 19 BB, fold

Turn: (75 BB, 2 players) 8♦
Hero checks, MP checks

River: (75 BB, 2 players) 5♠
Hero bets 77.43 BB and is all-in, MP calls 77.43 BB

Can anyone call the hands here?

 

[Figaroo2]

"The hands, the hands"

Not really without knowing your stats
Best guess Quad 2's v 55522

 

[or3o1990]

the villain used his entire timebank on the end.