Bean's New Cash Game Thread!

[Aces2w1n]

When your playing against draws... Remember what they want, that's 2 cards.

Don't give them the option of 2 cards.

Also remember another thing in a hand... when we raise we re-open the betting. This is something you need to look at, it's not all about aggressive defense.. It's about avoiding draws and charging but yeh.

2 things

Don't give 2 cards... So don't raise them on flop, he wants that raise and gets stacks in... what he doesn't want is missing the turn and facing a shove
Do what he doesn't want!

Also don't blow up pots by re-opening the betting on a street especially in a MW and all we have is top pair... it's ugly.


So simple rule is ... MW just increase the mindset of our strength hand needs to be that much better. Top pair is going to struggle... Even overpairs in a lot of cases (but opponent dependant because fish over value top pair So we still can make value depending on our read but still continue with huge caution.


Yep it was me Brave who said fish increase variance.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

When your playing against draws... Remember what they want, that's 2 cards.

Don't give them the option of 2 cards.

Also remember another thing in a hand... when we raise we re-open the betting. This is something you need to look at, it's not all about aggressive defense.. It's about avoiding draws and charging but yeh.

2 things

Don't give 2 cards... So don't raise them on flop, he wants that raise and gets stacks in... what he doesn't want is missing the turn and facing a shove
Do what he doesn't want!

Also don't blow up pots by re-opening the betting on a street especially in a MW and all we have is top pair... it's ugly.


So simple rule is ... MW just increase the mindset of our strength hand needs to be that much better. Top pair is going to struggle... Even overpairs in a lot of cases (but opponent dependant because fish over value top pair So we still can make value depending on our read but still continue with huge caution.


Yep it was me Brave who said fish increase variance.

Thanks for the contribution man! Game is tough sometimes.


As for today, we finally squeaked out a modest win.... +$272. I noted every hand I have VPIP for past 2 days. If I feel up to it, I might post a couple hands later or tomorrow. I can think of a couple interesting hands.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Here is one hand. I may post others as well, but this is the one I was thinking about...

Pretty thin, but there are draws obv.


I hope you guys can understand the format. All the info is there.



32. CO ($595) Kh-9h. Straddled pot, UTG is a station. 1L, we raise to $20, UTG is only caller. Flop K-10-10ss. Checks, we bet $25, tank calls. Turn 5c. Checks. We bet $40, cause this dude makes some bad calls. He tank calls. River 6h. Checks through. Dude shows A-Qo. We win. (+$84)

 

[Beanfacekilla]

One more.... this one is based on the fact that I thought 100% flush is good if we hit. Plus I did expect guy to bet and value own himself, because he has 2p+ for sure....


Kinda borderline don't like the hand though.



16. LJ ($317) 6s-5s. Straddled pot. 2L, we raise to $20, CO calls, UTG calls (short, $13 back). Flop Jc-8s-10s. UTG donks AI for $13, we call, CO raises to $40, we call. Turn 4s. We check. Dude bets $60, he has maybe $100-150? We jam, he calls. River 2d. We win against unknown hands. (At 588? Played a hand right after)

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Does anyone have any thoughts about those two hands? Should I post more hands?

 

[Jillychemung]

K9 hand - Bet the river, that turn card didn't change anything.
65s hand - No problems from me but possibly shoving on the turn may have been better.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

K9 hand - Bet the river, that turn card didn't change anything.
65s hand - No problems from me but possibly shoving on the turn may have been better.

Cool thanks.

In the K-9 hand, I just thought dude had air, so that's why I checked back river. I thought real time this is the spot where we could value own ourselves? If we bet river, are we targeting stubborn PP and worse Kx?


And 6-5 hand, I did shove turn.... you mean just donk jam right into dude?

I did think of that in real time.... I was fairly confident he would bet. I honestly don't mind this though, donking turn.

 

[Jillychemung]

Flop Jc-8s-10s. UTG donks AI for $13, we call, CO raises to $40, we call.

And 6-5 hand, I did shove turn.... you mean just donk jam right into dude?

Actually I was thinking of jamming here on the flop. Since we're on the FD anyway, may as well get CO's stack in since he could get away from a spade turn.

Also with these HH, put some <CR> into them so that each streets action is on it's own line, will make for easier reading. Oh and please leave out results, just stop the HH at the point where you have a question. If you'd like I can re-post your HH showing how I'd have posted them.

 

[Jillychemung]

In the K-9 hand, I just thought dude had air, so that's why I checked back river. I thought real time this is the spot where we could value own ourselves? If we bet river, are we targeting stubborn PP and worse Kx?

In the last year I've embraced that it's OK to bet/fold sometimes. Villain is a station so yeah let him call the river with his PP, he'll probably say that he 'put you on AJ and trying to buy the pot.'

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Actually I was thinking of jamming here on the flop. Since we're on the FD anyway, may as well get CO's stack in since he could get away from a spade turn.

Also with these HH, put some <CR> into them so that each streets action is on it's own line, will make for easier reading. Oh and please leave out results, just stop the HH at the point where you have a question. If you'd like I can re-post your HH showing how I'd have posted them.

Sure man.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

In the last year I've embraced that it's OK to bet/fold sometimes. Villain is a station so yeah let him call the river with his PP, he'll probably say that he 'put you on AJ and trying to buy the pot.'

Yeah this is an excellent point. I'm certain I could value bet more.

 

[Jillychemung]

32. CO ($595) Kh-9h. Straddled pot, UTG is a station. 1L, we raise to $20, UTG is only caller. Flop K-10-10ss. Checks, we bet $25, tank calls. Turn 5c. Checks. We bet $40, cause this dude makes some bad calls. He tank calls. River 6h. Checks through. Dude shows A-Qo. We win. (+$84)

32. CO ($595) Kh-9h. Straddled pot, UTG is a station. 1L, we raise to $20, UTG is only caller.
Flop K-10-10ss. Checks, we bet $25, tank calls.
Turn 5c. Checks. We bet $40, cause this dude makes some bad calls. He tank calls.
River 6h. Hero??

So 3 <CR> added and stopped at the question

16. LJ ($317) 6s-5s. Straddled pot. 2L, we raise to $20, CO calls, UTG calls (short, $13 back). Flop Jc-8s-10s. UTG donks AI for $13, we call, CO raises to $40, we call. Turn 4s. We check. Dude bets $60, he has maybe $100-150? We jam, he calls. River 2d. We win against unknown hands. (At 588? Played a hand right after)

16. LJ ($317) 6s-5s. Straddled pot. 2L, we raise to $20, CO calls, UTG calls (short, $13 back).
Flop Jc-8s-10s. UTG donks AI for $13, we call, CO raises to $40, we call.
Turn 4s. We check. Dude bets $60, he has maybe $100-150? We jam, he calls.
River 2d.
Comments on play??

Again 3 <CR> added and the question added

 

[Beanfacekilla]

32. CO ($595) Kh-9h. Straddled pot, UTG is a station. 1L, we raise to $20, UTG is only caller.
Flop K-10-10ss. Checks, we bet $25, tank calls.
Turn 5c. Checks. We bet $40, cause this dude makes some bad calls. He tank calls.
River 6h. Hero??

So 3 <CR> added and stopped at the question



16. LJ ($317) 6s-5s. Straddled pot. 2L, we raise to $20, CO calls, UTG calls (short, $13 back).
Flop Jc-8s-10s. UTG donks AI for $13, we call, CO raises to $40, we call.
Turn 4s. We check. Dude bets $60, he has maybe $100-150? We jam, he calls.
River 2d.
Comments on play??

Again 3 <CR> added and the question added

Thank you for that. I will do this from now on.

 

[Nicholas Benedettini]

WOW i wouldv been so frustrated. You played it like a champ he just sucked out. Sorry bud.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Chip porn.

It's not that great though, $600 is ours.

Weeeeeeee!

 

[Beanfacekilla]

This is it. We are done.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

So yeah, +$542 for day. Starting to go in the right direction now. I've been really tuned in today. Made a bad play earlier, and I am glad I was able to recover and move forward. I'll have some hands later or tomorrow.

 

[Figaroo2]

Kh9h. The river is a really thin bet fold spot, I agree it is tough to see what worse hands call bearing in mind he limped, he shouldn't have QQ JJ here so we are down to hoping from a call from 88 77 66 or some really weak maybe suited king. The fact that you said he was a station though means I think you should be inclined to bet if he can call with something like 3rd pair here. If he's at all tricky I'd be inclined to check the river.

6s5s. My coach tells me to just lead out at the pot on the turn here for something like 2/3 pot, especially if they are passive types. If you check here and he checks behind you're potentially missing a ton of value. There is also the danger of another spade on the end that will kill the hand for you. If he has a high spade he's definitely going to call on the turn, whereas he might not bet it and just take the free card. If he's aggro and you know he's always betting the turn then fine trap with a check raise.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Kh9h. The river is a really thin bet fold spot, I agree it is tough to see what worse hands call bearing in mind he limped, he shouldn't have QQ JJ here so we are down to hoping from a call from 88 77 66 or some really weak maybe suited king. The fact that you said he was a station though means I think you should be inclined to bet if he can call with something like 3rd pair here. If he's at all tricky I'd be inclined to check the river.


Def could have at least tried to get a little more value here. I like it.

6s5s. My coach tells me to just lead out at the pot on the turn here for something like 2/3 pot, especially if they are passive types. If you check here and he checks behind you're potentially missing a ton of value. There is also the danger of another spade on the end that will kill the hand for you. If he has a high spade he's definitely going to call on the turn, whereas he might not bet it and just take the free card. If he's aggro and you know he's always betting the turn then fine trap with a check raise.

I was like 99% certain he bets turn here. I thought he had huge hand like straight or set and he just bets.

I did also consider the risk of running spades in real time, before I checked. I think a donk here is probably better, but in my mind before I chose to check, I did think "I might as well just turn my hand over and show him a flush if I lead here."

However, I don't think most opponents think deeply, so maybe he just calls turn and calls river when we jam.... I like a donk bet here I guess.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Here's one hand to ponder, before I go to sleep....


12. MP ($278) 9h-8h.

The reason we limp is because raising pre is ineffective against this line up. Need value hands to raise pre.

2L, we limp, one other limper, CO raises to $18, folds to us, we call, HJ calls.

3w to Flop 10-7h-9r.

Checks to PFR, he bets $55 ($180ish total). HJ has about $80, and doesn't look interested.

My read pre is he has at least AK, probably a big PP. Looking to flop big hand and get it in?

On the flop my read is solidified to big PP. He just has it.



Hero? Thoughts on pre and postflop?

 

[Figaroo2]

I was like 99% certain he bets turn here. I thought he had huge hand like straight or set and he just bets.
I did also consider the risk of running spades in real time, before I checked. I think a donk here is probably better, but in my mind before I chose to check, I did think "I might as well just turn my hand over and show him a flush if I lead here."
However, I don't think most opponents think deeply, so maybe he just calls turn and calls river when we jam.... I like a donk bet here I guess.

Well if you were certain he was going to bet then its fine as played.
Its when you aren't sure they will bet or they are passive I think that is the time to lead
Its about several things for me here, firstly and most importantly its about getting the extra value before the river sometimes kills the action but it's also about not letting passive players realise their equity by giving them free cards.
Even if they are thinking opponents its good to mix it up and lead some strong hands so they don't know what you are doing. A thinking player might consider "he's never leading out with a made hand here, why wouldn't he just check raise" if he either has the nut flush draw he may shove or puts you on the nut flush draw and shoves over you with his other made hands.

 

[Figaroo2]

Here's one hand to ponder, before I go to sleep....
12. MP ($278) 9h-8h.
The reason we limp is because raising pre is ineffective against this line up. Need value hands to raise pre.
2L, we limp, one other limper, CO raises to $18, folds to us, we call, HJ calls.
3w to Flop 10-7h-9r.
Checks to PFR, he bets $55 ($180ish total). HJ has about $80, and doesn't look interested.
My read pre is he has at least AK, probably a big PP. Looking to flop big hand and get it in?
On the flop my read is solidified to big PP. He just has it.
Hero? Thoughts on pre and postflop?

My thoughts are there are too many people behind who can squeeze this to limp pre here and once we are raised and both the initial limpers fold and I'm going to be out of position, first to act and a likely equity dog so I'm never calling this hand here unless the raiser is a real fun player who we know squeezes wide.
It just isn't good poker to put yourself out of position, with no initiative and a likely equity dog.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

My thoughts are there are too many people behind who can squeeze this to limp pre here and once we are raised and both the initial limpers fold and I'm going to be out of position, first to act and a likely equity dog so I'm never calling this hand here unless the raiser is a real fun player who we know squeezes wide.
It just isn't good poker to put yourself out of position, with no initiative and a likely equity dog.

People rarely squeeze pre. I'm the one who does that lol. Live poker people limp A-Q.

However. I hate this hand. Pre is terrible. He doesn't have enough money, nor do I.


And we could just open pre, and fold to 3b (results oriented a bit?) I didn't open because I was getting 5 callers at 17, with value hands.


I agree with everything you say though. Whole hand is just poo.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

We're at a different casino today. Action was pretty bad at my usual spot, and the bad beat jackpot here is $530k.


Chip porn. $200 is ours.

 

[Jillychemung]

Nice run!! I agree with Fig that the 9h8h hand is a fold pre for both his thoughts and your 2nd thoughts. If you're raises are getting thru or HU, then suited connectors are a fine open here but when your getting that kind of action "I was getting 5 callers at 17" then you need to let this go and wait for your premiums (or change tables).