Bean's New Cash Game Thread!

[Beanfacekilla]

Re the 4bet AK hand. I have talked about this spot before with one of my coaches. It is usually mathamatically correct to shove AK on the flop if you 4bet and get called and you are oop and first to act. 100bb effective but hopefully you must have been deeper.
I take it you were calling it off if he 5bet shoved. If not then 4betting in this case to 110 saves you 30 if you are going to fold.
Bearing in mind your live read and being in position the check fold looks good.

We were about 150-165 BB deep pre, we covered dude.

Yes I would have called 5b jam.


I really think he had a monster though. Like in my peripheral vision I saw him squirm when he saw flop, and he made a comment indicating he didn't like it, right before he checked to us.

I also bluffed him early is sesh, and showed it. He did not show us a bluff. I think he would have given dynamic. But he could have punked me for all I know.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Remembering what Negreanu said that what you win or lose per day has no meaning. Only your average hourly win rate matters over long period. So if your hourly is 30$ you make in six hours 180 dollars, regardless what you win or lose on that day. You are get paid by hour, not by winnings. So I would guess that adding more play days because you lost is a bit against ideology of mental poker balance.

Yeah, this is a good point man. I do know this, sure, but I think we all need to be reminded about the little things.

Losing has always bothered me, but I have improved 10 fold in last year.

As for the days off, or playing extra days, yeah I could do that. I really do need to take 2 days off per week though. It's important for my mental balance. However, I suppose I could/should play longer days to make it up, or at least try to.


I'll be at it tomorrow night again. I'm gonna put my time in, and try to stay on A game. Fired up already.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Today:

I rested up well. Just ate a healthy meal. I had a 7.8oz turkey burger, with 2 pieces of 12 grain bread, and some black beans. 3 cups of coffee.


Gonna hit gym in about an hour or so. Then, we off to the spot. My goal today is to play the best poker I am capable of playing. Let's get in the zone.



It's Saturday. Fish will be there. Gotta get in there, and work. Stacks of checks.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Here we go.

 

[braveslice]

Gl

 

[Beanfacekilla]

So we are in SB. We have 5s-4s. Passive table. Lots of limping.


So, we complete the extra $1, BB checks.

Flop (multiway) As-Js-9s. We bet $7, 2c.

Turn 8d. We bet $25. 2c.

River 7h. We check (because I feel they both had high spade, and one guy is capable of bluff/value owning himself).

Dude that we think is capable bets $65, other guy tank folds, we just call. I thought about C/R, but then what can he really call with that we beat? Thin.....


He rolls Ks-Jx. We roll and scoop.


The only thing I'm not sure about is our limp in SB here, kinda meh.



Anyways, here we go...

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Slow and steady wins the race!

 

[Beanfacekilla]

I'm about to leave soon. Today has been pretty good so far. I've been relaxed, able to think clearly, and I have been fortunate enough to make some hands as well.


$300 of this is mine. The rest came from the cats at the table.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

I am trying to leave, and I just can't. Keep getting hands. I'm not complaining, but I'm getting tired now....

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Finally cashed out. +$663 for sesh.


Maybe that workout today helped me alot, maybe I'm lucky, maybe a little of both.

Let's keep this train rollin'!!

 

[Beanfacekilla]

I have one more hand from tonight. There are many hands obv, but I don't feel like typing them all out, and I don't take notes at table anymore so....


We have KK, MP. Folds to us, we raise to $12, we are deep as hell, like 300 BB+.

2 or 3 callers? The last guy to call is BB, he is 500-600 deep as well.

Flop 7-5-2r. BB donks for $15. We hesitate, I actually think he may have 99 +/-, so we raise for value to $40, others fold, dude calls.


Now, he is deep. He is also competent. I don't like his donk bet here if he has what I think he does, but I am concerned. Don't want to get into some gross spot here.


Turn 3. Board 7-5-2-3. There are now 2 hearts. Dude checks. We bet $50. I know it's kinda small, but we don't have that big of a hand here. Like we want dude to call with worse.

He calls. River 5. Flush does not come. Dude checks. I check back (hate this now).


Dude tables JJ. We show and scoop.


If anyone has any thoughts on this I'm all ears...

 

[braveslice]

I am trying to leave, and I just can't. Keep getting hands. I'm not complaining, but I'm getting tired now....

hahaa, what can you do but take the money =)

I didn’t like 5s-4s hand, why do you bet with it?

KK hand, I would be pissing my pants that deep so in that regard I see the check good, then again given you raised flop he can’t really push out of the pot without strong hand, so in that regards smallish to medium value bet should be ok? If he is competent though, you have to have history him to call raise 3 barrel multiways at least in online games with 99. He is beating weirdly played 88 and top pair? I assume you play draws with the style similar than 5s-4s hand? Lot's of depends if you 3barrel if missed or not.

 

[Figaroo2]

Well done good session.
54s with lots of limping and presumably therefore limp calling the hand is too weak to raise from the SB and it's too promising to fold if you are unlikely to get raised by the last player. You still want to see plenty of cheap flops in cash games multi handed with weaker players.
I like the lead out, you don't want to give free cards to a higher spade and the king of spades and most aces should call pretty large flop bets here. Letting the king bluff at it got a nice extra bet well played and yeah nothing worse calls a raise.

KK again generally I like the way you played the hand. The donk flop lead is nearly always a probe with a hand with some amount of equity so I like the raise on the flop, it charges draws and smaller overpairs and A7s type hands.
Once he then calls a turn bet I'd be putting him on a few draws and pair gutshot hands like 86, 64 (ouch) maybe 87 76 56 54 hangs around as you made it cheaper on the turn. Being deep with the guy and its multi way those low card hands should all be in his range as well as A7 99 TT JJ and sets.
When the board pairs and doesn't complete flushes it's actually probably more likely that he calls with one pair hands like 99-JJ so yeah its a pretty clear bet fold spot.
But tbh I don't blame you for checking it back he can definitely have a 5 or 64 and be looking to raise and it's a great board to bluff against your range. If he did have a 76 type hand with the 7 blocker and bluff raises large are you really going to call it off with an overpair, it's not even an easy call for bottom boat.

 

[braveslice]

Oh I had to read 3 times @fig says it was good, then I read the hand 3 times again =) Only to realize you already HAD a flush, lol. I though you were betting the draw, and today I'm even sober so no excuses.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Well done good session.
54s with lots of limping and presumably therefore limp calling the hand is too weak to raise from the SB and it's too promising to fold if you are unlikely to get raised by the last player. You still want to see plenty of cheap flops in cash games multi handed with weaker players.
I like the lead out, you don't want to give free cards to a higher spade and the king of spades and most aces should call pretty large flop bets here. Letting the king bluff at it got a nice extra bet well played and yeah nothing worse calls a raise.

KK again generally I like the way you played the hand. The donk flop lead is nearly always a probe with a hand with some amount of equity so I like the raise on the flop, it charges draws and smaller overpairs and A7s type hands.
Once he then calls a turn bet I'd be putting him on a few draws and pair gutshot hands like 86, 64 (ouch) maybe 87 76 56 54 hangs around as you made it cheaper on the turn. Being deep with the guy and its multi way those low card hands should all be in his range as well as A7 99 TT JJ and sets.
When the board pairs and doesn't complete flushes it's actually probably more likely that he calls with one pair hands like 99-JJ so yeah its a pretty clear bet fold spot.
But tbh I don't blame you for checking it back he can definitely have a 5 or 64 and be looking to raise and it's a great board to bluff against your range. If he did have a 76 type hand with the 7 blocker and bluff raises large are you really going to call it off with an overpair, it's not even an easy call for bottom boat.

Thanks for the thoughts man. Yeah river should be a bet/fold spot with KK, I agree. I kinda just chickened out and checked back. I was disappointed because I did think he had about 9-9, and I could have squeezed another $50 out of him. There was a little part of me that worried he was going to C/R me on that river, and he would have 7-7 like an effing wizard or something.

I honestly think I need to work more at getting value in spots like these. It's not that big of a deal though.

Oh I had to read 3 times @fig says it was good, then I read the hand 3 times again =) Only to realize you already HAD a flush, lol. I though you were betting the draw, and today I'm even sober so no excuses.

Ha ha man. No worries. I have misread things before as well.

 

[Figaroo2]

Thanks for the thoughts man. Yeah river should be a bet/fold spot with KK, I agree. I kinda just chickened out and checked back. I was disappointed because I did think he had about 9-9, and I could have squeezed another $50 out of him. There was a little part of me that worried he was going to C/R me on that river, and he would have 7-7 like an effing wizard or something.

I honestly think I need to work more at getting value in spots like these. It's not that big of a deal though.

yeah it's the sizing of the river value bet that makes those spots interesting. I see differing advice here, some coaches say 65% pot which means if you do get raised it's only by a nut hand and you can safely fold and it's not so big you're never getting called. Yet another coach says just put out the suck bet in the 20-30% range, problem with that is it opens a bluff window. Your sizing thoughts?

 

[Beanfacekilla]

yeah it's the sizing of the river value bet that makes those spots interesting. I see differing advice here, some coaches say 65% pot which means if you do get raised it's only by a nut hand and you can safely fold and it's not so big you're never getting called. Yet another coach says just put out the suck bet in the 20-30% range, problem with that is it opens a bluff window. Your sizing thoughts?

Considering my read, and the fact that BB is competent, I was thinking like $50-$75 bet on that river, which is like around 25%-30%. TBH it makes me a little nervous being so deep in this spot. One thing that makes it a clear bet/fold is the fact that nearly every 1/2 player just isn't capable of C/R us like a sicko here....

Maybe I could bet a little larger, like $100? When he showed his JJ, and we showed KK, he did say "ohhh I knew it!" So he was on to us. He may find a fold unless bet is small?

Given the spot, the stakes, and our read I think 50-75 would be spot on here. He just sigh calls and we get a little more value. I goofed it I think man. I need to set down my purse and bet this river I think.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Just played drums for 45 mins or so. I need to get into the office very soon. I'm really kind of lazy ATM. It's so nice out, don't wanna play that much.


That's not how we get there. Sitting here not being motivated, and thinking of other ways to spend time. I gotta get after it.


Let's do this.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Here we go, again.

I forgot my headphones. Sigh. This should be interesting. Hopefully I don't get too bored and spew.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Update: we getting slaughtered RN. Stuck almost $400. I ain't out of it yet thought. I'm gonna fight. I've been stuck more and turned it around plenty. That's what I'm gonna do

I'm not gonna lie though, I am a little frustrated. The table is pretty good though. Let's buckle down and get this done (hopefully).

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Well, I've managed to whittle it down to -$208 at this very moment. I was -$460 at the most.


Let's keep it up, and turn this thing around.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Had to throw in the towel today....

-$223. I was as bad as -$460, so we did make some back. That's good. Just kept running into it. Nothing I could really do. I may have torched $25, questionable river call.

Near the end of the session, I was kind of neutralized. The table was really loose and called too much, so I had to adjust and actually wait for hands. Unfortunately, the didn't come.


Now, I'll be off next two days, and we coming back in full skull crackin' mode Wednesday.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

It's not possible to filter the results to the start of my 1/2 challenge as of start of this thread.

I'll just include them all I guess for last month as well. I started 1/2 challenge on May 24.


There are some other sessions from before. I don't know how to filter them out. It's whatever.

Here is my stats. Under the $30/hour goal obv.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

I ended up taking 3 days off, instead of 2.

So we went to the gym today, had a good workout. Walking in to the spot now...


Here we go. Towers of checks.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

So, we just lost first hand, river suckout. Yay.

So, we are on passive table, we cover all involved. We have 5c-4c in SB. We complete. See 5w flop, 9d-4s-5s. We lead for $10, BB raises to $20 ($78 back), MP cold calls, we call and close.

We are calling here, plan is to C/R turn if action permits.

Turn 2h. We check, BB bets $20 (I think we have him. He should be shipping here), MP cold calls, we C/R to $100, BB tanks, calls AI for $78, MP tanks and calls (This guy has 9s-Xs I bet).

River 2s. Board 4s-5s-9d-2h-2s. Yeah, nut worst card in the deck for us.


Checks through. We table our hand, BB tables 4-5o, MP tables 9s-8s.



On to the next hand. Stuck $103 now. Let's turn it around.