Bean's New Cash Game Thread!

[Beanfacekilla]

There is one more hand I wanted to post, from today's session..... I should have wrote it earlier, memory was better then....

Here we go.....


We are SB. Stack is $280.


We are dealt J-J. It folds to a guy who seems to be LAG-ish, raises really really speculative hands, and calls 3b too often. He does seem competent, but he also seems like POW.


Our image is active, aggro, probably viewed as LAG.


So, dude raises to $15, BTN flats, we 3b to $55, original raiser calls in MP (covers slightly), all others fold.


Flop 9-8-6hh. ($125ish)

We bet $50. Dude calls, but he does think for maybe 10 Mississippi's first.

I don't know what he has for sure, but I think he would def raise sets, 2p+, and I don't know if he is capable of flatting KK+ pre, I doubt he would flat that.

So I'm thinking like 7-7, 10-10, FDs, Q-J, pretty wide range. I am about 95% sure (instinct, which has proven to guide me well) we have the best hand here, and we shipping turn if it isn't a gross card.


So, turn 3c. 6-8-9hh....3c.... ($225ish)

We jam, $175. Dude tanks. "That's a good sign" I think to myself. I really think he is just gonna be confused and have no idea what I have and call.....


He announces "call". Chips go in.


River Qs. We table our J-J, he mucks fairly quickly, an unknown hand.



I have thought about this hand some, I feel like it might be a little thin to try and get so much value with this particular hand, in this particular spot..... but then I thought my image is what gets me paid here, so I'm torn and I don't know if I like this hand or not.....


This guy avoided me the rest of the day. He would see flops against anyone, but not me dude. I guess that's kinda cool. He is better than the other players, for sure. So, TBH, I didn't go out of my way to get into pots with him either. EZ game.

 

[Figaroo2]

I think you have played most of these hands perfectly,
Yeah blowing the female off her hand was heavy handed and I'm not in love with calling with the T6s oop multi way, probs long term small leak .
You are just running bad and naturally questioning your play. I'm in the worse downswing I've ever experienced and your thinking is quite natural...
On the last hand the turn jam is fine on a board with that many pair combo draws you won't get paid much on the river after his draws miss.
I'd recommend Ed Millers books to you which have a 2-5 live focus.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

I think you have played most of these hands perfectly,
Yeah blowing the female off her hand was heavy handed and I'm not in love with calling with the T6s oop multi way, probs long term small leak .
You are just running bad and naturally questioning your play. I'm in the worse downswing I've ever experienced and your thinking is quite natural...
On the last hand the turn jam is fine on a board with that many pair combo draws you won't get paid much on the river after his draws miss.

Yeah 10-6 lol. Loose AF. Ha ha.


You've been running bad too? It's soul crushing sometimes lol. Feel free to vent or discuss it or whatever here man.

I'm glad you popped in here bro. Thanks for the input.

 

[Figaroo2]

Re your laggish guy, I mentioned Ed Millers books because his advice for playing against loose players is so clear and straightforward.
If you play too many hands you have a lot of marginal/weak hands on the flop. Players deal with this is two ways, either they fold too much or they bluff too much. Once you identify the player type you adjust to relentlessly barrel the guys who fold too much and call down the guys who bluff too much. I know you know this but others might not and this is really where the money is in this game.
So yesterday I'm playing against loose bluff too much guy. He is utg and limps in, it folds to me on the button with Jh8h and I make it x4 only the limper calls. The flop is 2h 4h 6x. He checks I bet 2/3 pot with my FD and 2 overs a perfect equity when called hand, he calls. Turn is 6x he checks I bet 2/3 pot he calls. River is 8d he checks and I consider thin value but somthing rankles as I expect him to bluff his whiffs and I check behind. He flips over 53 for a flopped straight.....this is how I currently run.
So yeah running about 28bi under Ev this year and totally understand the slight vent side to the start of your thread.
In fact I have now turned off the all in Ev line in my HM2, it serves absolutely no purpose to look at it other than to make you feel even worse, you cannot effect it so now I'm just ignoring it. What it did show me is that I was running well over EV for over 600k of hands and now its payback time.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Re your laggish guy, I mentioned Ed Millers books because his advice for playing against loose players is so clear and straightforward.
If you play too many hands you have a lot of marginal/weak hands on the flop. Players deal with this is two ways, either they fold too much or they bluff too much. Once you identify the player type you adjust to relentlessly barrel the guys who fold too much and call down the guys who bluff too much. I know you know this but others might not.
So yesterday I'm playing against loose bluff too much guy. He is utg and limps in, it folds to me on the button with Jh8h and I make it x4 only the limper calls. The flop is 2h 4h 6x. He checks I bet 2/3 pot with my FD and 2 overs a perfect equity when called hand, he calls. Turn is 8x he checks I bet 2/3 pot he calls. River is Ax he checks and I consider thin value but put him on a lot of Ax like A2-6 for pair/gut shots and check behind. He flips over 53 for a flopped straight.....this is how I currently run.
So yeah running about 28bi under Ev this year and totally understand the slight vent side to the start of your thread.
In fact I have now turned off the all in Ev line in my HM2, it serves absolutely no purpose to look at it other than to make you feel even worse, you cannot effect it so now I'm just ignoring it. What it did show me is that I was running well over EV for over 600k of hands and now its payback time.

5-3 ha ha ha. He just smashes it. And he def missed value as well. He could have donked river, he could have C/R flop or turn maybe.

Yeah, I think about payback time as well, or vice versa. For example, if we running bad and losing alot, and it continues, and continues, I like to think I get back pay. Like I have a good idea of my winrate, so I will eventually get some back pay to make things right as rain, if I put my time in.

That's what I do so I stay motivated (one of the many things I do).

 

[Beanfacekilla]

So, I used to frequent one casino here in the D, and I switched to another primary location.

When I was still showing up to the old place, I kept seeing this old dude. The reason why he drew my attention is because he reminds me of my wife's late Grandpa.


So, this cat is trying to grind. I see him in there, working. Over the last year or so, I have started talking to him somewhat, here and there. I still don't even know his name.... It's whatever I don't know alot of people's names.


So I tell him a few months ago "yo man, you need to come over to X to play 1/2. The games are deeper, people hate money, blah blah."

So I started seeing him over at the spot.



I finally got a chance to talk to him a bit Sunday night on the way out.


I say something like "Man I'm glad to see you over here! How do you like the games?"


His face lights up, he starts smiling, and says something like "Man, all I have to do is wait for a hand like trips, top pair, and they just put their money in with anything!"

We talked a little more about strategy somewhat. He was telling me some of the things he does in sessions, when he leaves, etc. He also told me he is indeed trying to grind some loot out. He is happy he started coming over there obv.


I Like to think I helped this old cat get some more joy out of life. He is printing money now I think.... I usually don't tell anyone about the spot. I don't want it getting over run by short stacks and wannabe grinders. I made an exception for the dude though. I'm glad I did.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Update...

I went to the poker room last night, and quickly found myself stuck about 650 or so, at a 1/2 game.

I usually buy $500 in chips, $300 red, and $200 green. I keep green in pocket to add on.


So, the last of my $500, was about $250 or $225. We start this hand.


So this loose guy is opening 50% of his hands. I've seen his showdowns. He is really really out of line. We already 3b him earlier, ended up losing a medium pot to him, we called him with 2nd pair, and we thought we were good. He had 2nd pair too. He had us out kicked. Sigh. Maybe that one was a little thin. After 3b pre, and cbet, we called $71 more when he shoved. We were wrong. Torched $71 there..... it probably is relevant to mention this guy opened K-8o in UTG+2 (10 seats), and called a 3b from me, to play pot OOP.


Anyways, like 2 or 3 hands after this, we get As-10s in HJ or LJ.

Anyway, dude opens to $10 or $12, 1c, we call (wanted to 3b, but he calls all 3b so far, from others besides me as well, so let's just see a flop IP against this f***). We go to the flop 4w, and we are last to act.

So, we have As-10s, and flop is A-Q-10r. SB donks for $20, loose PFR calls, folds to us, we raise to $65, only SB calls. This guy pretty bad. I swear I read his hand right then for A-K or A-J. That's what I thought he had, and we shoving $150 or $160 on the turn (clean turn card of course).

Turn card 6h (two hearts now). SB checks again (covers by alot).

We shove $150-$160, SB tanks, I am thinking in my head as this guy tanks "This guy has A-J exactly. Please call."


He finally one chip calls after about 60-90 seconds.

The dealer flips a Q for the river. A-Q-10-6-Q.


I know before I even turn my cards over, before he turns his over. We roll, this guy rolls A-Jo. He wins.


I have some mental game flaws. Not gonna lie. But when these suck outs happen, man I don't like it. Like I was already stuck, this was the hand, this dude put his money in drawing pretty thin, gets there, etc. He didn't even put me to the test, he just plays his hand like a total fish and wins. He donks flop, calls raise, blah blah blah. Sigh.

That's the cliffnotes of my thoughts right after the hand occurs. I don't really care that much most of the time. I just keep playing. For some reason, that hand stung yesterday.

These thoughts and frustration isn't always there, not really a big thing for me. But, when the day isn't going well, it seems like we just showed up to build pots for people to hit 8 high flushes and like 17th nut straights, yeah, sometimes I get grouchy for a minute.

I went, bought $500 more from cage. I went for a short walk, gathered my thoughts, put my game face on, and went back to work. I played for at least 4 or 5 hours after that.

I was stuck as much as $675 or so, and ended up leaving at -$406.




Sometimes, I wonder if I'm playing well, bad, whatever. I am pretty aware of my image. I am able to adjust to the different players. I pay very close attention to the action at table. I know who is playing what, and how they play it. I am attentive.


But I raise a wide wide range most of the time. I don't care if they call, or fold, I just look at it like I will be fine to navigate post flop. I am fine usually. I can read hands well, seem to know when to cbet bluff, against whom, etc. But I'm not some wizard who knows all cards they have obv. If I go to showdown, I usually have the best hand.


I find I get paid off much more frequently (like with As-10s hand, yeah, we don't really get that call if we are nut peddlers prob). I feel like I need to stay active, or no one pays off.


Not to mention my table was so loose yesterday. Some people just keep calling and folding postflop. I did put alot of pressure on some specific players, who liked to limp, and then folded most of the time post flop.



However, I stayed until after 3am, and I couldn't get it done last night. Aside from that light call for $71 with 2nd pair when I thought the loose aggro guy was bluffing, I don't really think much happened that is worthy of noting.


My style of play is prone to bigger swings, so I should just roll with it. I know that. Not that big of a deal. I just went there yesterday really motivated. I was a bit frustrated when I left.


Today I am busy taking my Dad to minor surgery. Didn't sleep yet since last night's session. So yeah, poker not gonna happen today. I play Weds-Sun every week usually. So, day off today. I wanted to go in there and run up a $2k stack today, but that will have to wait until tomorrow.


Fish Fry-Day! It's like a weekly poker holiday. Oh my goodness are the games fishy. Wouldn't miss it, like ever dude.




So, I dunno why I got frustrated today. I was just reading "The Mental Game of Poker" again, parts of it anyways. I thought I better update my thread, so I can be held accountable for my mental game flaws. I'm hoping it will help me improve if I take note of every time I get frustrated, or angry, or have anything other than joy that my opponent is willing to call my shove with a big dog.



For the last year, I have been trying to change my thought patterns, and not tilt, and stay on A-game. I have done a 180 from 1 year ago. I'm not there yet though. I shouldn't be getting tilted or angry at a losing a 110 BB stack at 1/2 with a big favorite on the turn.


I still played after 4 or 5 hours. I gave it my best shot, I didn't go on tilt, or make any stupid mistakes. I just played. I tried to play my game, get into good spots, but sometimes, we just can't make it happen.


I did try to make it happen though. I didn't just go home after that river Q. I could have went home, not even listen to radio in car. If I get whacked real bad sometimes I just deive home in silence and think. I could just take the loss and not even fight. I fought. I made some of the money back, that's gotta count for something right?



Anyways. Week 2 of 1/2, -$406 on first day. Let's turn this around. Got 4 more days, cause I'm gonna play either Monday or Tuesday to make up for being off today.


Friday. Towers of checks. A-game. I can do this.

 

[mbrenneman0]

it always stings when your two pair gets counterfitted. I hate when I play the low pocket pairs like 44 and the board runs out somthing like 77595 and then they scoop with ace kicker after i value bet them on the flop and turn. I think you played the A10 well, i only like the shove if you have a read that he calls too often which it seems you did.

 

[crimsonblur]

Wow that second guy really sounds like an idiot, like did he not understand that he made a terrible play and gt read into infinity, and then got super lucky. There should be a style of poker where the winning hand at the moment of shoving should just auto win, I think that'd be very interesting.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

it always stings when your two pair gets counterfitted. I hate when I play the low pocket pairs like 44 and the board runs out somthing like 77595 and then they scoop with ace kicker after i value bet them on the flop and turn. I think you played the A10 well, i only like the shove if you have a read that he calls too often which it seems you did.

Yeah most of them call too much. But he might not have called, but because of the way I play, people think I bluff alot.

It's whatever.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Wow that second guy really sounds like an idiot, like did he not understand that he made a terrible play and gt read into infinity, and then got super lucky. There should be a style of poker where the winning hand at the moment of shoving should just auto win, I think that'd be very interesting.

I've thought about that as well. However, if that was how poker was, these fish would never win. Then they wouldn't play.

 

[mbrenneman0]

i think some rooms have an option to run it twice

 

[Beanfacekilla]

i think some rooms have an option to run it twice

Yeah that's only available at charity rooms, for twice the rake. I prob still run it only once though even if I had the option.

 

[ccres]

Update...

I still played after 4 or 5 hours. I gave it my best shot, I didn't go on tilt, or make any stupid mistakes. I just played. I tried to play my game, get into good spots, but sometimes, we just can't make it happen.

I did try to make it happen though. I didn't just go home after that river Q. I could have went home, not even listen to radio in car. If I get whacked real bad sometimes I just drive home in silence and think. I could just take the loss and not even fight. I fought. I made some of the money back, that's gotta count for something right?

Hell yeah that counts for something! Sounds like a pretty good response all things considered. Super-tilting situation and you took it and stuck to your game (even if it got to you internally). If that's as bad as it gets when you tilt that's pretty far up the ladder. Hopefully it doesn't stretch from session to session..even though it's understood its totally in line with variance to have multiple bad running sessions in a row that's when the real test happens.

Regarding driving home in silence..yeah that's relatable..I used to listen to talk radio on the way home and if I had a particularly bad session I'd find myself getting irrationally angry at whatever people were saying on the radio and have to shut it down.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Hell yeah that counts for something! Sounds like a pretty good response all things considered. Super-tilting situation and you took it and stuck to your game (even if it got to you internally). If that's as bad as it gets when you tilt that's pretty far up the ladder. Hopefully it doesn't stretch from session to session..even though it's understood its totally in line with variance to have multiple bad running sessions in a row that's when the real test happens.

Regarding driving home in silence..yeah that's relatable..I used to listen to talk radio on the way home and if I had a particularly bad session I'd find myself getting irrationally angry at whatever people were saying on the radio and have to shut it down.

I thought someone might be able to relate to the radio comment....

 

[Beanfacekilla]

We have AKo, just a few minutes ago. We open UTG to $15, 1c, dude in SB, kinda LAG, 3b to $45, we 4b to $140, he calls. He has been 3b somewhat often. I'm not calling IP and folding flop, so that's why I 4b

HU to flop, Q-10-4r. Checks to me, he makes a comment about how bad the flop is. I think to myself "This guy just flopped top set". He clearly reacted to flop.

Turn 9s. He shoves for around $150. We snap fold. He has this expression like "awww", but he doesn't show. I am 99% sure I was exactly right. He asked me if I had KK or AA pre, and then said "or ace king" right before he called. We said nothing. Stone poker face.


Sigh.

 

[Aces2w1n]

Probably fishing for your hand tbh with that comment.

He's quite wide you think, so we could probably shove on flop if we think our A or K are active... we made SPR so small so we prolly should've shoved flop and really exploited his 3betting aggression.


Opponent if he has AK as well would fold and we win because of position... he could easily have jacks as well or 99 or 88.

AJ is even possible and since we checked flop... do we only check when we whiff esp with such a small SPR.... if the SPR was big then I agree checking is best because chances are he's setting up for a check-raise but his range in such a small SPR is crippled and AK really plays stronger now.


So summary.

1. Do we check on flop giving up our strength?
2. Does our opponent shove with ATC in this spot? He probably could which is a scary thought.
3. How wide does he 3bet... will justify our shove on flop

 

[Beanfacekilla]

I just watched two floor men get into a physical altercation with a 1/2 player.


This new guy sits at a table. He reaches for a rack or something, in close vicinity to this lady's purse. She is a smart ass sort of. She makes a comment like "don't touch my purse".

So the dude gets all loud, starts mouthing off. Floor intervenes.

The floor is staring there explaining to the guy, he just gets a warning, he just need to settle down and let it go. The guy starts making comments regarding race, the lady is white, etc.


Floor just tells him again, "I'm giving you a warning. That's all. If you continue, you can leave."


Guy says "F*** you" to floor. Then he gathers his things, and goes to cage. "You don't even have to make me, I'll just leave. I should slap your blank blank"

Floor goes over, gets on the phone. Dude comes from cage, walks behind counter, and starts pushing floor, tries to punch him, then the other floor guy grabs him and tries to pull him off. Then he starts fighting with that guy. He is trying to punch him, he can't connect. Floor is doing his best to calm the situation down.

I run over there, I didn't really think it through. When I get there, then I don't know what to do. I don't want to jump in and fight this guy. Others come over as well. Some big dude bears hugs him, and pushes him out of the poker room.


He tries to come back, security is there now, about 6 or 7 dudes come over as well. He runs off.


I don't know if they caught him.


Silly.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Probably fishing for your hand tbh with that comment.

He's quite wide you think, so we could probably shove on flop if we think our A or K are active... we made SPR so small so we prolly should've shoved flop and really exploited his 3betting aggression.


Opponent if he has AK as well would fold and we win because of position... he could easily have jacks as well or 99 or 88.

AJ is even possible and since we checked flop... do we only check when we whiff esp with such a small SPR.... if the SPR was big then I agree checking is best because chances are he's setting up for a check-raise but his range in such a small SPR is crippled and AK really plays stronger now.


So summary.

1. Do we check on flop giving up our strength?
2. Does our opponent shove with ATC in this spot? He probably could which is a scary thought.
3. How wide does he 3bet... will justify our shove on flop

I don't know for sure how wide he was. Physical tells told me he liked his hand. I don't know if I was right or not.


If we bet flop, I don't think we are called very often with worse. So, I just checked back, hoping for A, K, or J.


I did think about jamming. I just thought he would snap call and that's bad.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Just got it in 3w with SD/FD. We bricked of course. It was about 100 BB x3.


Sigh. Maybe next time.

The last guy called off his chips with red aces, and he was a dog vs us other two in the hand. He went runner runner FH.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Man this game is pretty good. I'm coming up now! We gonna stack up more checks soon obv.




We are only up slightly. But that 1/2 stack still looks kinda sexy

 

[braveslice]

Remembering what Negreanu said that what you win or lose per day has no meaning. Only your average hourly win rate matters over long period. So if your hourly is 30$ you make in six hours 180 dollars, regardless what you win or lose on that day. You are get paid by hour, not by winnings. So I would guess that adding more play days because you lost is a bit against ideology of mental poker balance.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

We are still working. Table is actually pretty good still. It's the only table running ATM.


Weeeeee!

 

[Figaroo2]

Re the 4bet AK hand. I have talked about this spot before with one of my coaches. It is usually mathamatically correct to shove AK on the flop if you 4bet and get called and you are oop and first to act. 100bb effective but hopefully you must have been deeper.
I take it you were calling it off if he 5bet shoved. If not then 4betting in this case to 110 saves you 30 if you are going to fold.
Bearing in mind your live read and being in position the check fold looks good.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Re the 4bet AK hand. I have talked about this spot before with one of my coaches. It is usually mathamatically correct to shove AK on the flop if you 4bet and get called and you are oop and first to act. 100bb effective but hopefully you must have been deeper.
I take it you were calling it off if he 5bet shoved. If not then 4betting in this case to 110 saves you 30 if you are going to fold.
Bearing in mind your live read and being in position the check fold looks good.

Thanks bro.


So, recap from sesh.... was cruising along, craziest, most loose table I've sat on in a while.


I was up 200, down 200, up 200, down 200, etc. Ran my bottom set into dudes rag FH with 9-4, and we lost about 300.


Total for sesh -$359. My 1/2 challenge is taking a turn to the other side.


I played a 12 hour session, and lost. I am a little frustrated RN.


So, I think we are about +$750 for last 6 days of play? I will have to look at chart. Don't feel like it RN. The info is ITT. It's whatever.

Edit, last 7 days of play.