***April Cash Game Thread***

[Wes747]

yeah, been working my ass off improving my online game (much different than live, imo) started off with $50.00 on Feb 4, grinding 5NL, then 10NL, then 25 NL....now have over 30 buy ins for 50NL (including rb)....been playing over 40k hands a month....

WTF are you my split-personality? Do I post on CC without knowing it? lol I took a break for about a year from poker, but then I started up playing again on February 4th. I was rusty and lost about $600 at 50nl not playing within my bankroll. I tossed another $75 on my account and dropped down to 25nl. Since then I've been killin 25NL at 9.71BB/100 over 32k hands. I think thats a pretty good rate over a decent sample size?

I got my BR up to about $1300 and I decided it was time to take a stab at 50NL again. I 12 table and mix in about 3 or 4 50NL tables with my 25NL tables. I've found that I still win at the 25nl tables, but I'm hit-or-miss at the 50NL. Either the competition is better there or I'm playing with scared money...I can't tell. Either way I'm up to $1600 now and I'm debating if I should stay at 25NL or keep taking shots at 50NL.

 

[WVHillbilly]

WTF are you my split-personality? Do I post on CC without knowing it? lol I took a break for about a year from poker, but then I started up playing again on February 4th. I was rusty and lost about $600 at 50nl not playing within my bankroll. I tossed another $75 on my account and dropped down to 25nl. Since then I've been killin 25NL at 9.71BB/100 over 32k hands. I think thats a pretty good rate over a decent sample size?

I got my BR up to about $1300 and I decided it was time to take a stab at 50NL again. I 12 table and mix in about 3 or 4 50NL tables with my 25NL tables. I've found that I still win at the 25nl tables, but I'm hit-or-miss at the 50NL. Either the competition is better there or I'm playing with scared money...I can't tell. Either way I'm up to $1600 now and I'm debating if I should stay at 25NL or keep taking shots at 50NL.

Nice run man, but not even close.

 

[Wes747]

I didn't say a good sample size, I said decent! Haha but yeah I know...I have a lot more hands to go until I can actually say I'm doing well at that limit. I'm sure Once I hit 100k hands or so my winrate will fall down to a more normal level.

 

[Kasanova King]

lol....I swear, everytime I post positive results in this thread, the doomswitch gets activated....down several buy ins since posting, back down to 25NL for a while....fu doomswitch, lol.

 

[Marginal]

lol....I swear, everytime I post positive results in this thread, the doomswitch gets activated....down several buy ins since posting, back down to 25NL for a while....fu doomswitch, lol.

The doomswitch makEs poker fun.

School starts back for me tomorrow so poker is going to slow down a bit for me

 

[eNTy]

good thing u have a timebank then

 

[tenbob]

The deep ante tables seem awesome so far.

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HAND 1
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$0.25/$0.50, $0.10 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Poker Tools by Stoxpoker - Hand Details


BTN: $122.45 (244.9 bb)
SB: $50.75 (101.5 bb)
BB: $101.65 (203.3 bb)
MP: $229.70 (459.4 bb)
Hero (CO): $141.85 (283.7 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with 6

5

MP raises to $1.50, 3 folds, BB raises to $5, MP raises to $13.50, BB raises to $26, MP calls $12.50

Flop: ($52.75) T

9

6

(2 players)
BB checks, MP checks

Turn: ($52.75) 8

(2 players)
BB checks, MP bets $30, BB calls $30

River: ($112.75) J

(2 players)
BB checks, MP bets $173.60 and is all-in, BB calls $45.55 and is all-in

Results:Spoiler:
$203.85 pot ($2 rake)
Final Board: T

9

6

8

J

BB showed A

A

(a pair of Aces) and won $201.85 ($100.20 net)
MP showed 5

4

(high card Jack) and lost (-$101.65 net)

 

[Wes747]

Man...I wish I had a 7 and was in that hand....or 2 clubs....or QK....lol.

 

[PattyR]

The ppl that run pokerstars can STFU. my god how bad can i run when i try 25NL EVERY F^^KING time....i dont get it...i just truly dont get it at all...i play great poker and i just get straight up F****D up....once again i built my BR and had 23 - 24 BI for 25NL and ONCE AGAIN i lose like 6 or 7 F****** BI and wont be rolled for 25NL for another month or so...F*** ME!!!!!

**HAND 1**
poker stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 638787
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
CO: $29.35
Hero (BTN): $26.05
SB: $24.40
BB: $26.95
UTG: $9.65
UTG+1: $36.80
MP1: $55.40
MP2: $13.75
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A :spade: A :heart:
5 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, SB raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $26.05, SB calls $22.40 all in
Flop: ($49.05) 6 :diamond: 7 :club: K :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)
Turn: ($49.05) 3 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($49.05) K :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $49.05
Hero shows A :spade: A :heart:
SB shows K :club: K :heart:
SB wins $46.60
(Rake: $0.80)

**HAND 2**
Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 638789
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
CO: $23.60
BTN: $40.85
Hero (SB): $24.50
BB: $50.00
UTG: $52.75
UTG+1: $53.35
MP1: $62.50
MP2: $49.60
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A :diamond: K :heart:
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.95, CO raises to $2.95, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.85, 1 fold, MP2 calls $2
Flop: ($9.10) 2 :diamond: T :club: A :club: (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $7.50, Hero raises to $21.45, MP2 folds, CO calls $13.15 all in
Turn: ($50.40) K :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($50.40) 2 :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $50.40
CO shows K :diamond: K :club:
Hero shows A :diamond: K :heart:
CO wins $48.25
Hero wins $0.05
(Rake: $2.00)

**HAND 3**
Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 638791
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BTN: $27.95
Hero (SB): $50.95
BB: $37.45
UTG: $34.55
UTG+1: $23.30
UTG+2: $18.65
MP1: $27.40
MP2: $19.35
CO: $25.00
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with K :diamond: K :heart:
6 folds, BTN raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2, BB raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero raises to $50.95, BB calls $31.45 all in
Flop: ($75.65) 8 :heart: A :heart: Q :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)
Turn: ($75.65) J :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($75.65) 5 :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $75.65
Hero shows K :diamond: K :heart:
BB shows Q :diamond: Q :club:
BB wins $72.65
(Rake: $3.00

ok rant over thanks for listening

 

[WVHillbilly]

25 BIs is really only enough when you run good.

I never feel comfortable with less than 50 and even then it's close if you start out bad. Currently I'm learning 6-max at 50nl with more than 100BIs and honestly I think that's really where I'd want to be if I didn't want to really ever worry about typical run bad.

Hang in there though. One of these times when you move up it'll all go your way and you'll be thinking 50nl before you know it.

 

[PattyR]

25 BIs is really only enough when you run good.

I never feel comfortable with less than 50 and even then it's close if you start out bad. Currently I'm learning 6-max at 50nl with more than 100BIs and honestly I think that's really where I'd want to be if I didn't want to really ever worry about typical run bad.

Hang in there though. One of these times when you move up it'll all go your way and you'll be thinking 50nl before you know it.

so you definately think i should wait til i have 50 BI before i move up again? or somewhere near 50? also should i be switching over to 6max or stay at FR?

fwiw i thought for sure ur comment was going to be much harsher and talk about variance and shit

 

[WVHillbilly]

I mean you know it's variance but I just think people underestimate just how short a 20 - 25 BI roll is for today's high-aggression, high-variance game.

Honestly, I think you should move up when your comfortable. If that's 25BIs I think that's fine, but if it's causing you lots of anguish to drop 5-6 BIs 25BIs probably isn't to your comfort level.

As for 6-max v FR, that's all you. I'm playing 6-max to try to improve my hand reading a bit. I've dropped down to 4 tables and I'm trying to watch every hand that goes to SD. Running super well ATM so it's hard to see how well I'm actually doing but I'm confident that won't last too long.

 

[eNTy]

plus those hands are all really standard

 

[PattyR]

yea i know its variance thats why your reply was a refreshing one.

i think i should give 6 max another go, maybe take away a few tables myself...although i like 9 tabling as i can get in many more hands which = more VPPS which = more monies for me.

but yea...poker sucks lol

 

[NineLions]

'slong as you're disciplined about your stop loss and not to proud to move down multiple times I dunno if you need 50 buyins, but it's a matter of personal preference and how it affects how you play.

This from someone currently playing with almost 100 buyins ....

 

[c9h13no3]

All the good players give the standard "you only need 30 buy ins to play a level" advice, and then play with 50+ buy ins themselves. I have yet to encounter a good player who plays with less than 40 on a regular basis. Almost all good regs are bankroll nits.

 

[c9h13no3]

https://www.cardschat.com/f53/c9-made-stud-hi-video-174408/#post1456231

Talking & playing isn't my strong suit, but I think I did okay.

 

[Kasanova King]

The ppl that run pokerstars can STFU. my god how bad can i run when i try 25NL EVERY F^^KING time....i dont get it...i just truly dont get it at all...i play great poker and i just get straight up F****D up....once again i built my BR and had 23 - 24 BI for 25NL and ONCE AGAIN i lose like 6 or 7 F****** BI and wont be rolled for 25NL for another month or so...F*** ME!!!!!

Same thing has been happening to me every time I've been taking shots at 50NL....it must be some kind of "move up" curse, lol. If I remember correctly, I also had some real "run bad" when I first started tampering with 25NL as well.

Some good advice in this thread. If you're anything like me, you probably tilted away some of that BR after those hands....so best to take a break for a while - a day or two - and come back fresh.

 

[PattyR]

Same thing has been happening to me every time I've been taking shots at 50NL....it must be some kind of "move up" curse, lol. If I remember correctly, I also had some real "run bad" when I first started tampering with 25NL as well.

Some good advice in this thread. If you're anything like me, you probably tilted away some of that BR after those hands....so best to take a break for a while - a day or two - and come back fresh.

weird bcuz when i first moved up to 5NL i lost and when i first moved up to 10NL i got absolutely crushed.

very good advice ITT and i couldn stop...i moved back down to 10NL and ran a session and made $80 (+8 BI)...that helps the hurt a little...especially since it was under 500 hands lol. good way to end the night. i do LOVE the new update on pstars though.

 

[orangepeeleo]

That last hand you were sat with a 200bb stack, if i was taking a shot with 25BI's you wouldnt see me sat with 2/5's of my shot on one table, i know there's not many larger stacks on that table but just having the $37 stack around would make me wanna up n leave, like when your moving up losing 2.5 times what you'd usually stack off with is bad enough, losing 5 times what you'd usually stack off with?? I think i'd have a breakdown lol

fwiw i run terribad when i move up too and my next shot is def gonna be at 35BI's to give myself a 10BI shot, just to give me a chance to be at the limit for longer and try and ride out the run bad, sounds like you take 5BI shots, maybe you should increase the amount your willing to lose at a new limit??

 

[tenbob]

I mean you know it's variance but I just think people underestimate just how short a 20 - 25 BI roll is for today's high-aggression, high-variance game.

Honestly, I think you should move up when your comfortable. If that's 25BIs I think that's fine, but if it's causing you lots of anguish to drop 5-6 BIs 25BIs probably isn't to your comfort level.

As for 6-max v FR, that's all you. I'm playing 6-max to try to improve my hand reading a bit. I've dropped down to 4 tables and I'm trying to watch every hand that goes to SD. Running super well ATM so it's hard to see how well I'm actually doing but I'm confident that won't last too long.

I've been playing 6max for the last 2 months or so after playing FR for the last 2-3 years. It really is much much more swingy, and tbh thats not altogether a bad thing.

Just so ye know, I have ~150 buyin's, and have no intention of moving up, or indeed taking any shots until I have 100 buyins for nl$100. If your playing FR its much less swingy and I was playing on the nl$100 FR tables with the same roll last year.

 

[F Paulsson]

I watched a FoxwoodFiends video at DC when they had their free video promo last week. This may be super-arrogant of me, but I'm pretty sure FF is wrong about opening to 4x from the SB. I agree with opening to 4x UTG, and I agree with him that you can open to 2 or 2.5x on the button, but I disagree that position is the sole determining factor of what your opening size should be. The reason it's good to open large UTG is that we are both out of position and have a strong range. Similarly, we can get away with opening small on the button because while our range is weak, we're in position. But "out of position" in the small blind does not mean that opening to 4x is a good idea if our range is really wide (which it's likely to be). Or perhaps he just doesn't steal much from the SB, in which case I agree that opening large is OK.

The reason here is that the vast majority of hands I open in the SB are going to be chiefly for the purpose of stealing. I want my opponent to fold, and I want to lose the minimum when he doesn't. I don't think my fold equity is significantly higher - at least not enough so - to make opening to 4x instead of 3x the right play. Putting more money into the pot out of position with a wide range than I have to just doesn't grok with me.

 

[eNTy]

All the good players give the standard "you only need 30 buy ins to play a level" advice, and then play with 50+ buy ins themselves. I have yet to encounter a good player who plays with less than 40 on a regular basis. Almost all good regs are bankroll nits.

while i have a lot of bi now for 50, ive played lots of 50 with between 20 and 30 bi
then again, whether or not im a good reg is debatable

I watched a FoxwoodFiends video at DC when they had their free video promo last week. This may be super-arrogant of me, but I'm pretty sure FF is wrong about opening to 4x from the SB. I agree with opening to 4x UTG, and I agree with him that you can open to 2 or 2.5x on the button, but I disagree that position is the sole determining factor of what your opening size should be. The reason it's good to open large UTG is that we are both out of position and have a strong range. Similarly, we can get away with opening small on the button because while our range is weak, we're in position. But "out of position" in the small blind does not mean that opening to 4x is a good idea if our range is really wide (which it's likely to be). Or perhaps he just doesn't steal much from the SB, in which case I agree that opening large is OK.

The reason here is that the vast majority of hands I open in the SB are going to be chiefly for the purpose of stealing. I want my opponent to fold, and I want to lose the minimum when he doesn't. I don't think my fold equity is significantly higher - at least not enough so - to make opening to 4x instead of 3x the right play. Putting more money into the pot out of position with a wide range than I have to just doesn't grok with me.

i think thats obvious
havent seen the vid, but i imagine the reason why its profitable for him (if it is at all) is because he believes he has a large postflop edge to counter-balance ?

 

[F Paulsson]

i think thats obvious
havent seen the vid, but i imagine the reason why its profitable for him (if it is at all) is because he believes he has a large postflop edge to counter-balance ?

He didn't really talk about it in-depth, he just sort of mentioned it in passing that he considers it a big mistake to not make your SB opens big. I don't remember the verbatim quote, but he definitely implied that it was a general thing (applying to everyone), not just something he could get away with because of ownage.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

He didn't really talk about it in-depth, he just sort of mentioned it in passing that he considers it a big mistake to not make your SB opens big. I don't remember the verbatim quote, but he definitely implied that it was a general thing (applying to everyone), not just something he could get away with because of ownage.

It may be that he assumes that the BB plays back very light.

So even thorough his range is wide, he assumes that it is stronger then the BB range and he lacks position, therefore he makes what looks like an UTG raise and in many ways that's what it is.