Increased number of All in's preflop in tournaments

#1 May 20th, 2020, 9:48 AM

Help!
I'm playing low cost entry tournaments, sit and go's and freerolls and in every game that I played every time someone goes all in pre flop, sometimes 3,4 or 5 of them go all in. And that's going almost through whole game, all the time all in pre flop.
Today I played sit and go, 0.10c entry 460 players (or something like that m) I got AA in first hand of the tournament, UTG raised all in, I was low Jack and I called ofc and then 3 players called behind. I lost ofc and I really don't know how to play that, I tried to be patient but ante and blinds make my stack funny so they call me just for fun with 72os, because they can, if they lose its like less than 5% of their chip stack.
Does anyone have idea what to do?

#2 May 20th, 2020, 3:04 PM

Originally Posted by pendulabgd

Help!
I'm playing low cost entry tournaments, sit and go's and freerolls and in every game that I played every time someone goes all in pre flop, sometimes 3,4 or 5 of them go all in. And that's going almost through whole game, all the time all in pre flop.
Today I played sit and go, 0.10c entry 460 players (or something like that m) I got AA in first hand of the tournament, UTG raised all in, I was low Jack and I called ofc and then 3 players called behind. I lost ofc and I really don't know how to play that, I tried to be patient but ante and blinds make my stack funny so they call me just for fun with 72os, because they can, if they lose its like less than 5% of their chip stack.
Does anyone have idea what to do?

Well, that's probably simply because the potential loss in freerolls or tournaments is very small with such a small buy in. The people may play many tournaments at the same time and in some tournaments they just go all in at the beginning. There's not really anything you can do if you want to continue playing these tournaments.

#3 May 20th, 2020, 3:37 PM

Originally Posted by markmu

Well, that's probably simply because the potential loss in freerolls or tournaments is very small with such a small buy in. The people may play many tournaments at the same time and in some tournaments they just go all in at the beginning. There's not really anything you can do if you want to continue playing these tournaments.

I was thinking about the same thing but then I registered spin and go 1$,
The first move was all in again.
So basically I have to play tournaments that have larger buyin in order to avoid those stupid plays. It's not in the freerolls only, I play one per day and I play at least 5 tournaments but buy in is 0.10c and again the same thing.
I never played tournament that buyin is higher than 5$ and that was tournament ticket won in the satellite, that's why I'm asking.

#4 May 20th, 2020, 3:50 PM

Maybe one day it will happen ... but lately I feel that the system is against me ... I am talking about online poker sites, there are hands and situations that sometimes make me doubt ... someone who illuminates in the middle of the darkness of poker that overwhelms me today ... when I speak of doubts I mean plays with very high percentages of success taking into account all or almost all the parameters studied for years !!! ha I am stunned and angry I think they are moments

#5 May 20th, 2020, 3:56 PM

Originally Posted by pendulabgd

I was thinking about the same thing but then I registered spin and go 1$,
The first move was all in again.
So basically I have to play tournaments that have larger buyin in order to avoid those stupid plays. It's not in the freerolls only, I play one per day and I play at least 5 tournaments but buy in is 0.10c and again the same thing.
I never played tournament that buyin is higher than 5$ and that was tournament ticket won in the satellite, that's why I'm asking.

I would say that 1$ isn't much for the majority. You have to keep in mind that a lot of people just playing for fun. They don't care about loosing 1 $ here and there.
Don't know if 5$ is already high enough. I have the same problem that there are always people going all in or just playing ridiculous.
The motto is: You get what you pay for:P

#6 May 20th, 2020, 11:55 PM

you cant win if you don't get it in.

#7 May 22nd, 2020, 5:53 PM

Sounds like you are playing in some good games. Just wait until you have good enough hands to call and do not worry about the bad beats.

#8 May 22nd, 2020, 6:03 PM

Originally Posted by pendulabgd

Help!
I'm playing low-cost entry tournaments, sit and go's and freerolls and in every game that I played every time someone goes all-in pre-flop, sometimes 3,4 or 5 of them go all in. And that's going almost through the whole game, all the time all in pre-flop.
Today I played sit and go, 0.10c entry 460 players (or something like that m) I got AA in the first hand of the tournament, UTG raised all in, I was low Jack and I called ofc and then 3 players called behind. I lost ofc and I really don't know how to play that, I tried to be patient but ante and blinds make my stack funny so they call me just for fun with 72os, because they can, if they lose it's like less than 5% of their chip stack.
Does anyone have an idea of what to do?

If they donk out with 10 cents they will just re reg for another 460.
freerolls are frequented by cheating scum bags with multiple accounts who don't even have the common decency to change their name and only add a number

In short bingo players are going to bingo ..

#9 May 22nd, 2020, 7:27 PM

There is a lot of this all over, but certain rooms are worse, as well as certain games.
Personally, I think this is an advantage for better players. Yes you will get bad beats but more often than not you will overcome if you play well.

For example I play the freerolls on 888 and I get in the money about 50% of the games I play.

#10 May 22nd, 2020, 7:43 PM

Obv you cant fold AA preflop. The fact that you are seeing this nonsense shoves with just about any 2 should be good for you, just be patient and play your best hands hard.

#11 May 22nd, 2020, 7:44 PM

Play just like the others do it.When there were freerolls everyday,most of the players started with all in.That was a successful tactic considering the lost time.It s not the same to be out 1 min after the start and be out just before bubble.

#12 May 22nd, 2020, 8:01 PM

Originally Posted by pendulabgd

Today I played sit and go, 0.10c entry 460 players
Does anyone have idea what to do?

Hey dude, the prize for the 1st place in such tournament is maybe something around $5-10, the chance to win it is 1:460, you've paid 10 cents and this tourney will last approx 1 hour or more.

SO assuming it all, you have trashy chances to win $10 during an hour of such tourney... Girl who cleans floors in our company earns $10 for cleaning dust and she makes these $10 during 1-1,5 hours, then she goes to our neighbor company and does it there but earns a bit more, cause they have more space... She will earn $10 for doing something useful, her chances to earn money are 100%... your chances to earn something in such "micro" poker are close to nothing and during this time you're not doing anything useful for the society and for yourself.

Take care. Increased number of All in's preflop in tournaments

Increased number of All in's preflop in tournaments

#13 May 22nd, 2020, 8:15 PM

It's just a bad beat. If I have AA preflop I would call too. Bad beat can happen even on late phase of tournament.

And regarding spin and go, if I have AA I will all-in too if I play micro. The reason is because my enemy will thing I'm either bluffing or have premium hands.

Some of the time, someone will call, if I win I'm happy, If I lose, it's bad beat and move on.

#14 May 22nd, 2020, 8:16 PM

Originally Posted by markmu

Well, that's probably simply because the potential loss in freerolls or tournaments is very small with such a small buy in. The people may play many tournaments at the same time and in some tournaments they just go all in at the beginning. There's not really anything you can do if you want to continue playing these tournaments.

This is pretty much it. You're always going to come up against someone who doesn't care about losing a few cents.

#15 May 22nd, 2020, 9:02 PM

Originally Posted by finaltable1

Hey dude, the prize for the 1st place in such tournament is maybe something around $5-10, the chance to win it is 1:460, you've paid 10 cents and this tourney will last approx 1 hour or more.

SO assuming it all, you have trashy chances to win $10 during an hour of such tourney... Girl who cleans floors in our company earns $10 for cleaning dust and she makes these $10 during 1-1,5 hours, then she goes to our neighbor company and does it there but earns a bit more, cause they have more space... She will earn $10 for doing something useful, her chances to earn money are 100%... your chances to earn something in such "micro" poker are close to nothing and during this time you're not doing anything useful for the society and for yourself.

Take care. Increased number of All in's preflop in tournaments

Yeah, I wish to have the citizenship of your country. You can't compare us, there is other side of the coin. In my country average salary is 350-400 euros per month and available jobs are store seller or storage facility workhorse. Any job that is nicer with higher salary (higher like 500 euros) are via ruling party and its scares. I'm going every 6 months out of my country to work and return during the winter but this covid bs made me to stay and I'll be without a job starting June 1st until 1st of March next year when I go out again. So your view of time and money are completely different from me simply because we live in different countries.
I even can't deposit directly, I have to deposit to neteller first then from neteller to skrill in order to avoid the gambling question and then from skrill I can deposit. And I can't deposit larger amounts to avoid anything.

Regards.

#16 May 23rd, 2020, 11:34 AM

I understand it is frustrating, but if you're getting it all in with AA, even against multiple opponents, you are doing the right thing. Getting it in good doesn't mean you are always going to win, but it means the odds are in your favour and if you do that enough, you will win more than your fair share of hands and tournaments.

#17 May 23rd, 2020, 12:27 PM

All I can say is low buy ins and freerolls you can't bluff as there are way too many loose players whereas high stake games you can bluff and you won't find many loose players as they will play tight.

#18 May 23rd, 2020, 1:23 PM

Originally Posted by pendulabgd

I was thinking about the same thing but then I registered spin and go 1 $,
The first move was all in again.
So basically I have to play tournaments that have larger buyin in order to avoid those stupid plays. It's not in the freerolls only, I play one per day and I play at least 5 tournaments but buy in is 0.10c and again the same thing.
I never played tournament that buyin is higher than $ 5 and that was a tournament ticket won in the satellite, that's why I'm asking.

Everything you play (MTT for 10 cents and especially backs) are very dispersive disciplines so don�t rely on your opponents for a tight game! The main thing is to try not to fall into tilt and play your game! Success will come most importantly play correctly!

#19 May 24th, 2020, 7:58 PM

Originally Posted by vittopio

Everything you play (MTT for 10 cents and especially backs) are very dispersive disciplines so don�t rely on your opponents for a tight game! The main thing is to try not to fall into tilt and play your game! Success will come most importantly play correctly!

That's what I thought to continue to do, just to keep playing the right way and reward will come sooner or later for sure. I was just frustrated because I was waiting for the right hand and avoiding to enter that coin flip right from the get go and when I finally got best hand, dudes with nothing won because of the flop. I always try to play the right way but when you play against players who gamble then logic goes through the window. I can only play when the odds are in my favour if I want to continue to play tournaments with small entry fee.

#20 May 27th, 2020, 8:41 AM

I will talk about me.

I play a freeroll with a much more open range because they are usually turbos and I did not spend to enter them (of course there is the rake but psychologically we forget).

The time is usually dedicated to tournaments that we pay and that the payouts are bigger or with a smaller field, which demands more analysis time.

Outside recreational players.

So, first understand that, micro or freeroll tournaments, the variance is very high due to maniacs, recreational players and those like me, you don't have much time to lose with them.

The tip I can give you is to be more calm and wait for the maniacs to kill themselves until the game calms down to the level closest to the bubble where the players (even me) are interested in playing because money is not despised, even if little.

But in the case of AA and KK I would play, even if the whole table asked for all in (even though this decision was looser ahaha).

#21 May 27th, 2020, 9:16 AM

A lot of times people go all in in tournaments like these because if you raise 3bb pre flop, a lot of people is going to call you with shit hands because it's only 3bb for them. When you go all in, a lot of people with those hands just fold. That's my take on it.

#22 May 27th, 2020, 9:28 AM

Stop going All in unless you are 100 per cent sure you will win the pot. Be patient, I always lose with pocket Aces. Wait for the flop as it will come to you in time, not sure about a flush or straight then fold. Better safe then going bust. Capo1014

#23 June 8th, 2020, 5:03 PM

Originally Posted by lattedank

A lot of times people go all in in tournaments like these because if you raise 3bb pre flop, a lot of people is going to call you with shit hands because it's only 3bb for them. When you go all in, a lot of people with those hands just fold. That's my take on it.

The problem with your opinion is that their range is non existent at all, a lot of people go allin no matter what they have, even if that's 72o.

Originally Posted by capo1014

Stop going All in unless you are 100 per cent sure you will win the pot. Be patient, I always lose with pocket Aces. Wait for the flop as it will come to you in time, not sure about a flush or straight then fold. Better safe then going bust. Capo1014

Can you explain me how I can be 100% sure that I'll win the hand? You know as good as anyone that even if you have AA it's not guaranteed that you will win the hand (a lot of the times AA is losing and you have to be prepared to fold AA if pot and betting pattern shows you that's a big possibility to lose the hand).
But 100% sure? How? Explain please.
Ty

#24 June 8th, 2020, 5:26 PM

[QUOTE=pendulabgd;5636089]The problem with your opinion is that their range is non existent at all, a lot of people go allin no matter what they have, even if that's 72o.

I will give you that one. I learnt it hard way yesterday and today. I played against some bingo players. A guy basically became the chip leader by going all in with shit hands.

#25 June 8th, 2020, 5:50 PM

[QUOTE=lattedank;5636120]

Originally Posted by pendulabgd

The problem with your opinion is that their range is non existent at all, a lot of people go allin no matter what they have, even if that's 72o.

I will give you that one. I learnt it hard way yesterday and today. I played against some bingo players. A guy basically became the chip leader by going all in with shit hands.

Yes, that's exactly the reason why I posted this thread in the first place, to share my and to collect experience from others, especially here where the players are playing or learning how to play in the correct way.
My personal opinion is that some of the players are doing bingo purposely and they know about the correct way how to play but simply they don't want to lose time to wait for the good hands when they win 0.1$ after few hours of playing, if they become chip leader quickly they will continue to play or nothing. Maybe they are right. Let's say that they win first few hands once every 10 times, then they have a reason why to seat for hours and hours, their chances to enter the money grow exponentially if they become chip leaders.
What do you think?

#26 June 8th, 2020, 7:49 PM

In freerolls and micros tourneys,people can afford to lost their money,so they have more courage to go preflop all in.
And i guess if you know your limit,you know your gasme plan then.

#27 June 8th, 2020, 8:24 PM

For practice and to get to know what it feels like...fold your AA, fold KK..AK,AQ...and learn how to play without using them. Try maximizing your worst hands..72, 38...using bluffs, bets and strategy. You'll appreciate playing better rather than depending upon your cards to do the heavy lifting. Hope to see you in a CC game or two! Good luck Increased number of All in's preflop in tournaments

As an afterthought, learn PokerStove cold...memorize all percentages on preflop hands you hold..this takes dedication. I've been doing all of the above for a while now and have a long way to go yet.

#28 June 14th, 2020, 3:58 PM

Originally Posted by Polytarp

For practice and to get to know what it feels like...fold your AA, fold KK..AK,AQ...and learn how to play without using them. Try maximizing your worst hands..72, 38...using bluffs, bets and strategy. You'll appreciate playing better rather than depending upon your cards to do the heavy lifting. Hope to see you in a CC game or two! Good luck Increased number of All in's preflop in tournaments

As an afterthought, learn PokerStove cold...memorize all percentages on preflop hands you hold..this takes dedication. I've been doing all of the above for a while now and have a long way to go yet.

I think that I know what you are trying to say but mate I'm actually trying to win in the poker not lose Increased number of All in's preflop in tournaments

But yes the hardest thing in poker is to fold premium hands when you know that you are beaten. I don't have problem to fold good hands, no really I don't and I won so many times against the players who couldn't fold Premium hands even though they knew that they are beaten but still they called (for example he had AA and at the table was 6 7 9 10 J, 4 cards were spades and he didn't have spade, I go allin he called - so str8 and flush with one card, he knew that he was beaten for sure but he couldn't fold AA) and that happened to me every single time when I play poker.

#29 June 14th, 2020, 9:26 PM

Originally Posted by pendulabgd

I think that I know what you are trying to say but mate I'm actually trying to win in the poker not lose Increased number of All in's preflop in tournaments

Fair enough. At 888 they have these "Hand of the Day" cash games where if you win with 27 as your hole cards post flop three times then you are entered into a free roll with a possible bonus. Here is one place where you can work 27 into a winning hand. They also have AK, AQ..these are cash games which include the SNAP variation. This area is a more reasonable place to experiment. You may see me there sometimes after 2000 EDT.
Good luck!

#30 June 14th, 2020, 9:53 PM

Don't waste your time on multi-table sit & go tournaments for 2 and 10 cents. there is a too rapid increase of the blinds and cheap entry make push-fold are quite natural strategy. You are just wasting your time, it is too likely that your good cards will lose to random ones.

On micro-limits, it is more profitable for you to play cheap single-table tournaments, or play cash, zoom poker, until you get a bankroll to more expensive and moderately adequate tournaments. Good luck Increased number of All in's preflop in tournaments

#31 June 14th, 2020, 11:44 PM

Why u dislike all in preflop is because of u fear to lose buy-in fee. Until one day your bankrolls are great, u will understand why they prefer all in preflop.

#32 June 16th, 2020, 3:19 AM

Originally Posted by niphon56

Why u dislike all in preflop is because of u fear to lose buy-in fee. Until one day your bankrolls are great, u will understand why they prefer all in preflop.

So you are one of them, right?
It's not because of the bankroll it's up to the playing game the right way and creating good and useful habits that you can use in the other tournaments. It's like I'm playing zynga/Facebook poker where players will call with 72o. That's not interesting when you can't use any strategy, you can't bluff ... So ofc that I'll dislike.

#33 June 16th, 2020, 4:30 AM

I've just started playing the different formats of the GG micro's and am learning to navigate the site's games. The "All-in or Fold" game (for instance) can be used to test the concepts provided in the "Math of Poker [Chen]" in Ch. 12. In the 2015 MIT poker OCW there is a good lecture outlining preflop play as well.
Anyway, this AoF format is a good adjunct to HU situations wherever they may happen...and you can choose either Omaha and Holdem (multi-tabling both versions simultaneously can be a bit of a mind-bender though Increased number of All in's preflop in tournaments

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