Small Pairs

[LLIypuk]

I would have thrown out, we've got in the best case will coinflip.

 

[SyCo]

33 is not the best at all.
when many peoples are in, the risk is high that they hit their pair wat is in most cases higher than yours.
wait and check - go out if someone is raising.

 

[bstest]

Generally call. If raised from BB call up to 3x. Then it's all about the flop. You can also fold to represent you are a stealer from the button, but in MTT online most player don't pay attention to other players behaviors, just their own stack, style and hand.

 

[sillymunchie]

Generally call. If raised from BB call up to 3x. Then it's all about the flop. You can also fold to represent you are a stealer from the button, but in MTT online most player don't pay attention to other players behaviors, just their own stack, style and hand.

That is just completely not true, how can you say MTT players do not pay attention to other players, throughout the game you HAVE to look at your players to discover weak points in there game that you can use to your favour, for instance is Player A calling too often then folding if missed (we can use)
will he let go of draws (we can use)
is he limping and playing passively (we can use)
is he agressive (we can use for post flop play)
is he stealing too often (we can use when we have a restealing size stack)
can he let go of a steal attempt (we can use to know what to resteal with)

Pots shouldn't get to showdown too often with a medium stack, because your not playing your cards, your growing your stack through the players mistakes, by there actions they reveal what they most likely hold

 

[Agent Folder]

I think that 44 is a winning combination. Maybe because I won with this cards several times when I followed all in. But it is very big risk to play with small pairs.

 

[Clark Kent]

I think that 44 is a winning combination. Maybe because I won with this cards several times when I followed all in. But it is very big risk to play with small pairs.

Dont be so sure. I was losing several time with 44 chasing for straight or three of a kind. Maybe is just my bad luck with 44

 

[Brazenly]

I LOVE TO SHOVE small pairs when im the dealer,sb or bb or 1,2 seats awa from dealer. Only if no one is all in already,then you should fold. Seeing aflopwith small pairsmight pay out with a set in 1 out of 7 but sometimes puts you in bad spots

 

[PHX]

4 bet or fold. 33 is really hard to play post flop against an aggressive player even with position.

 

[Naitras]

try to reraise and watct that opponent do, need to play strong with 33

 

[Dingospo]

I once folded 22 and guess what, there was 22 on flop. I was so angry I could eat the keyboard.

 

[amadeusace]

You don't call until you ready to make a 3bet on the flop despite the board (except an Ace is there) in order to play reversed equity. What do I mean?
To hit your set.. you need about 12% but... Villain is going to miss the flop 65% (even if he holds 88-JJ an overcard is likely to come) and this is where you bet. If an Ace is coming on the flop... Just call andif he checks on the turn you throw 3/5 of the pot.. if he double barrels you fold.

So... 2500 pot on the flop.. he is going to bet about 1600 you need to 3bet 3500.. are you willing to do that? If he checks on the turn you just shove.. there is no other option... If you are willing to do that then make a call on the flop... If you want to survive you should be ready to die.

Otherwise just fold... In the long run(let's see 10 hands) you lose 8000 more chips but when you hit nothing guarantees that you get back more chips than a cbet.

 

[media]

Easy fold for me, but if my stack less than 3-4BB easy push.

 

[Zokac71]

Most of us would go to such cards, but they can be quite strong ... I always follow, i can not wait to develop a new 3 or a full ..... whatever I always go with small cards in their hand

 

[Dan Perkins]

would call at least the flop. as ive said before in other posts I have won a third of my winning hands on low sets.

 

[antonis32123]

Is this from '' Harrington on holdem " books ?

fold most of the times or shove if you think he bluffs or he plays very loose (now for the shove part I aint sure but I 'm tired of others' bluffs and 3bets )

 

[theresets]

probably fold. You arent hitting a set often enough to justify calling imo

 

[prosu]

I once folded 22 and guess what, there was 22 on flop. I was so angry I could eat the keyboard.

dang, was it in a big event?

 

[rock0001]

i think i would just fold in that spot. calling isnt the best choice here because you are commiting a big part of your stack on a low pair and going all in is possible however i dont think thats the best choice here considering that villain is tight aggresive and might have a strong hand so folding its the best option here.

 

[bkr3026]

just take it easy here, 3's can get you into big trouble but they cn also win big if you trip up. so relax and lets take a peak at that flop

 

[CriesuaID]

Fold. Effective stacks are too shallow. It's early in the tournament. I would consider a 4 bet shove if BB had been overly loose pre-flop.

Generally you need about 8:1 implied odds to set mine
Starting with 6000 effective
1700 in the pot (hero 400 + sb 100 + bb 1200)
800 to call
4800 effective stack remaining on the flop
Assuming hero doubles up with a set+ and loses nothing more otherwise, it is 800 to win 1700 + 4800 or 8.125:1 in the best case

Then there are the times hero hits and doesn't get paid or loses with a set.

Edit:
Quick estimate for set mining is the 20/5-10 rule
hero needs to be able to win 20 times the bet to set mine (about 80bb effective here)
here should generally not risk more then 5% of stack to set mine (maybe up to 10% in special circumstances)

800 to call times 20 hero needs 16k to call

This!

 

[mcgregor_415]

I would fold in that position. You will commit not a small part of the stack and the chances for dangerous flop are huge.

 

[stokedog4]

fold 33 here

I think it's a fold. You are not getting the pot odds to call here. Unless you hit a set, (11to1shot) you aren't going to see too many favorable flops. And this guy is tag, he may c'bet fold to your shove. (which could be used) You need acquire chips and always look for ways to build a big stack. Yes, small edges matter in tournaments, however you aren't going to win too many big pots here with 33. I would continue to raise this guys bb and take chips off him that way.
Also, not sure of his 3bet range / percentage he is doing this. I
if he had done this a couple times, or i had prior knowledge of this player, that could change my thinking here.

I say fold, and move to next hand.

stoke:smile:

 

[strodawg]

Your holding 33 on the btn blinds at 100/200 no antes you have atound 30 BB and the BB 3B your min raise makes it $1200 to go, BB has played a pretty tag style and has about 60 BB, whats your play? Ready Go!

Id fold its to low. Id rather king or ace high. to many over pairs very little outs i feel

 

[Shakes]

I would also fold in this situation. If they came in cheap thats one thing but since its 3bb against a TAG player, I fold.

 

[UrsinusMaximus]

TAG villian + effective stacks not deep = fold