Same mtt winners every night

[Dyingbreed13]

Hey everyone I'm new here but play alot. I'm in Pennsylvania so I play wsop PA and pokerstars PA. I make the money sometimes but lose with the worst beats like yesterday KK vs 44 all in pre and flop comes 4xx. Meanwhile the same people (Uneedtherapy, therealyoshi, dr.kool and others) are winning all the big tournaments. I don't use software is this why? What am I doing wrong that they are doing right? It just seems I'm unluckier because I watch these people and they win there all ins which propels them to the final tables. Please help me I love the game but so irritating I can't win while the same people are winning all the big guarantees every night and especially every Sunday.

 

[cferdi]

I know how you feel. My game has been improving over the years, but I am a really unlucky player. I get told all the time that it will even out over time, but whilst I do win with the best hand sometimes, and even get lucky on the river sometimes, I almost always find (particularly towards the later stages of tourneys) that I go in with the best hands, and no matter how I play them, get called by poor hands who have usually reraised me so they are all in only to find I am ahead ..... until the river!!

Then this will happen several times in a row and I go from one of the chip leaders - to out before the money. If I fold to the raises then I'm seen as a weak target, so that won't work either (but I do respect raises from players I respect or whose playstyle suggests they might have me beat, I'm not saying I call every allin or anything wild like that).

But, if I sit on my stack, at the high blinds, I'm blinded out anyway, so I can't seem to win.

I can get all the way through hours of game and remain in the top 10-20 of hundreds, even thousands, then ........ either nothing to fight with or a succession of bad beats. This has been going on for a loooooong time, so it's not a case of just waiting for the tide to turn. I've kind of just learned to accept it and now never invest in high stakes, is all. Shame but - hey.

 

[KozakAlex]

Maybe they play well? Go olin only when you are sure that you will win. I am sure you will have a chance to win the tournament. It only takes patience.

 

[fundiver199]

According to sharkscope Uneedtherapy has played 514 tournaments on WSOP with an average buyin of around 250$, and he has an extremely high ability rating of 96. He has not opted in, so I cant see all the details, but he only started playing there in august 2021. Everything about this profile scream, that he is a high stakes MTT pro, who have been playing elsewhere, until he opened this account. So what he has done different than you is, that he has literally devoted his entire life to studying and playing poker. And if you want to achieve his level of success, you will basically need to do the same.

 

[cferdi]

You misunderstand, I don't always push allin: no raises b4 me - I raise (e.g KK, AQs, etc), THEY reraise allin after perhaps a single BB call - presumably to try to push me off my hand? I call. They show 42o (or T4, or 65) Flop hits me maybe gives me trips? They are now allin, so no more action, I am well ahead - they must be shitting it? BUT, by the river, they have a low str8 against my trip Ks, Q's or whatever.

Situations like this are NOT due to me playing poorly, (and I'm not saying I never play poorly, by the way), but they are very regular and consistent especially late game and I almost always lose by the river (I'm just unlucky, that's all there is to it).

There are many times I am responsible for poor play, of course, but those are not what I'm talking about here, it's when I have NO control anymore and am definitely the favourite by far, almost always end up losing the hand. I know you won't believe me, but it is true.

When I play partypoker and play with the Whizz App, sometimes I get so tired of hearing it tell me that 'I played the hand perfectly but they got lucky - onwards and upwards' or 'don't get mad, get even' or the various other comments it makes when I suffer a bad beat after a good play that it gives to try to comfort me and encourage me to keep playing as well as I can, that it's the APP that I get mad with (I'm used to it happening in the poker). But the constant comments from the app really feel like it's rubbing it in, lmao)

 

[zipocool]

don’t worry, you will win this tournament over time) the distance is important here, and these players most likely play more than you and just already adjusted to such tournaments

 

[fundiver199]

I know how you feel. My game has been improving over the years, but I am a really unlucky player. I get told all the time that it will even out over time, but whilst I do win with the best hand sometimes, and even get lucky on the river sometimes, I almost always find (particularly towards the later stages of tourneys) that I go in with the best hands, and no matter how I play them, get called by poor hands who have usually reraised me so they are all in only to find I am ahead ..... until the river!!

I checked your CC profile, and you apparently play on many different sites, mostly under the screen name "Tinawaka". According to Sharkscope there are players named "Tinawaka" on 7 different sites, and on all those sites combined the total number of tournaments played is around 370.

To reach something resembling "the long term" in poker you need to play tousinds on tournaments. So if you have played for several years and have still only gotten to 370 games on 7 different sites, then you are simply not taking the game serious, and then you can also not expect any kind of results.

For comparison I have played 506 tournaments just over the past month. Most of those are turbo SnGs, and if you mainly play regular speed MTTs, volume will naturally be lower. But even so this can serve as an idea of, what kind of volume serious online players put in. And I am not a full time player. I have a normal day job as well.

 

[cferdi]

I played many years before joining CardsChat, mostly offline. Then, when I came online played intensely for a while, on and off. Eventually, I was kind of forced online and decided to learn as much as I could and at some point joined Cardschat. But after a while, my health deteriorated again and I stopped again, then during COVID things were just nuts online and I lost interest altogether.

I only recently returned - but nonetheless, say or think what you will, I didn't intend for a debate/argument, I don't pretend to be a professional, nor do I even want to be, I'm just a hobbyist I guess, but I do like to be the best I can be all the same.

I was simply expressing my own experience - and it's been happening since I started playing in 1992 - it's subjective - it might not be yours, but it IS mine. Don't mean to upset anyone - sheesh.

And, the username 'Tinawaka' was created when when I was last playing. Many years before that I played under different names, but I never did really like playing online so always ended up returning to the casino, forgetting stuff like logins, blah, blah, and starting again each time. I only returned to online after a stroke - that's when I created the accounts as Tinawaka. So you are not really getting the entire picture anyway.

Is this really a competition? Why am I being challenged for expressing my own personal 'feelings'. I'm not saying that it's anyone else's; I'm not saying that the game is rigged, I'm not saying anything other than I feel like an unlucky player and that I understood how the original posted 'felt'.

Friends and family who have played with me throughout the years have seen the same things as I have described and we laugh about it, we joke about it.

Just tonight, I raised 88, get re-raised, called. Totally rag flop but I hit the 8 so had trip 8's; bet pot. Opponent who has A9d and no hits reraises me allin. My daughter groaned (jokingly) and we both laughed because we KNEW what was going to happen - sure enough - turn and river show diamond diamond!!! I would make more money betting on the outcome when I am favourite (that I'll get rivered) than I do on poker. I'm not even complaining! I accept it - it's just the way things are - it's just me, so I'm sorry I said anything - OK, are we cool now?

 

[Dyingbreed13]

According to Sharkscope Uneedtherapy has played 514 tournaments on WSOP with an average buyin of around 250$, and he has an extremely high ability rating of 96. He has not opted in, so I cant see all the details, but he only started playing there in august 2021. Everything about this profile scream, that he is a high stakes MTT pro, who have been playing elsewhere, until he opened this account. So what he has done different than you is, that he has literally devoted his entire life to studying and playing poker. And if you want to achieve his level of success, you will basically need to do the same.

So what and how should I study to be this good? I play quite alot so I think my volume is probably high enough but I need to start winning instead of just cashing. Where and what can I study to finish top 3 in online multi table tourneys?

 

[Dyingbreed13]

don’t worry, you will win this tournament over time) the distance is important here, and these players most likely play more than you and just already adjusted to such tournaments

Over time? But I dont get why the same people are winning and final tabling every night on the big tourneys. They aren't enduring some period of time? Are they using HUD or other software?

 

[speper]

Winning every night is a dream for me and I think no one wins every night

 

[Dyingbreed13]

You misunderstand, I don't always push allin: no raises b4 me - I raise (e.g KK, AQs, etc), THEY reraise allin after perhaps a single BB call - presumably to try to push me off my hand? I call. They show 42o (or T4, or 65) Flop hits me maybe gives me trips? They are now allin, so no more action, I am well ahead - they must be shitting it? BUT, by the river, they have a low str8 against my trip Ks, Q's or whatever.

Situations like this are NOT due to me playing poorly, (and I'm not saying I never play poorly, by the way), but they are very regular and consistent especially late game and I almost always lose by the river (I'm just unlucky, that's all there is to it).

There are many times I am responsible for poor play, of course, but those are not what I'm talking about here, it's when I have NO control anymore and am definitely the favourite by far, almost always end up losing the hand. I know you won't believe me, but it is true.

When I play PartyPoker and play with the Whizz app, sometimes I get so tired of hearing it tell me that 'I played the hand perfectly but they got lucky - onwards and upwards' or 'don't get mad, get even' or the various other comments it makes when I suffer a bad beat after a good play that it gives to try to comfort me and encourage me to keep playing as well as I can, that it's the APP that I get mad with (I'm used to it happening in the poker). But the constant comments from the app really feel like it's rubbing it in, lmao)

Exactly how I feel. And people say play more. But these same people winning every night don't hvae to play more they been winning since these sites been legal in PA. So it's very frustrating.

 

[Dyingbreed13]

Winning every night is a dream for me and I think no one wins every night

Well that's my dream and some people are winning every night. I want to know how.

 

[fundiver199]

But I dont get why the same people are winning and final tabling every night on the big tourneys.

The player, we talked about, has more losing than winning days according to Sharkscope. So either he is not "final tabling every night", or you dont observe all the times, he rebuy and the tourneys, where he dont reach the final table.

 

[Dyingbreed13]

The player, we talked about, has more losing than winning days according to Sharkscope. So either he is not "final tabling every night", or you dont observe all the times, he rebuy and the tourneys, where he dont reach the final table.

Ok wellwhen he does run deep it's usually top 5. I make it to like top 30 then bust. So what can I do to get some top 5s?

 

[fundiver199]

Ok wellwhen he does run deep it's usually top 5. I make it to like top 30 then bust. So what can I do to get some top 5s?

Get better and start to prove, you can beat microstakes MTTs, because you attempt to beat the high stakes games, he is playing. If you choose to compete against the best players in world (or even in Pensynvania), you are not as good as them, and its common sense, you are going to lose in the long run.

 

[Dyingbreed13]

Get better and start to prove, you can beat microstakes MTTs, because you attempt to beat the high stakes games, he is playing. If you choose to compete against the best players in world (or even in Pensynvania), you are not as good as them, and its common sense, you are going to lose in the long run.

I usually do pretty decent in the small ones but use that for the bigger ones because I want decent payday lol. I'll try sticking to small stakes and see how it works for a while.

 

[Luvepoker]

You dont need software to be a winning player. While it may help them its not really the difference to be honest during game play.

As for the same winners. They dont always win but the best players do seem to be in the mix more than average. Its very likely you are up against true professional players or just players in general maybe more skilled. Also poker is a really long term game. You can go months and years not winning or breaking even and then going on a heater that has you believing your the best in the world.

Could also be the games your playing are just tougher. I cant remember who said this but its really true. Take the 9 best players in the world and put them together at the table and the 9th best player in the world would be a losing player.

 

[fundiver199]

I usually do pretty decent in the small ones but use that for the bigger ones because I want decent payday lol.

This is the core of your problem. Like so many other people you think, poker is a "get rich quick" scheeme, and for starters you are not implementing proper bankroll management.

 

[Dyingbreed13]

This is the core of your problem. Like so many other people you think, poker is a "get rich quick" scheeme, and for starters you are not implementing proper bankroll management.

Well these people who win every night are up like 75 to 100k I'd imagine in not a long time. However what is proper bankroll management to play online mtts?

 

[fundiver199]

Well these people who win every night are up like 75 to 100k I'd imagine in not a long time.

Maybe but they likely started playing many years ago and have worked hard to get, where they are now. And have some talent as well.

However what is proper bankroll management to play online mtts?

A simple system, which is a lot better than no system, is 100 x the buyin. So to play a 215$ MTT, you need a bankroll of at least 21.500$.

 

[zipocool]

Over time? But I don't understand why the same people win and make it to the final tables every night in major tournaments. Do they last a certain amount of time? Do they use a HUD or other software?

maybe they just have an upstreak)

 

[Rahatis]

You don't have to shove always with the best hand. Just saying. Good luck!

 

[ICU1234]

It hurts

Maybe they play well? Go olin only when you are sure that you will win. I am sure you will have a chance to win the tournament. It only takes patience.

This advice suggest you never go AIPF. BECAUSE theirs always a chance you will lose.

Look this guy is frustrated. In place of counting all your suck out loses. Count all the ones you get and deduct from yours loses.. If you keep adding and you never get close to even or better there's a problem. Now don't count AIPF with A,K and other simular hands. Most people don't realize the odds are closer than they think. Over pair against under pair pre flop is the greatest of odds in who ever has top pair. From that point it truly is reading the board and betting habits.

Yo Simmeney Sam.

 

[Dyingbreed13]

Get better and start to prove, you can beat microstakes MTTs, because you attempt to beat the high stakes games, he is playing. If you choose to compete against the best players in world (or even in Pensynvania), you are not as good as them, and its common sense, you are going to lose in the long run.

I stuck to small stakes yesterday. Final tabled both in the morning and won the 1500gtd in the evening. Hopefully I can keep crushing these so I can play the bigger ones and not be afraid to lose.