Playing in tournaments if applies game the I do one buy-in, if not applies the still usually do 2-3 re-entry. When I have a big bankroll, I do re-entry, and when the bankroll is small, regardless of the bad or good game, I do only one buy-in. That's what I noticed, looking at their games for a few months came to the conclusion that I have in the long run the total gain in tournaments is less when I do re-entry, and when I play only making one buy-in in the tournament the total gain comes out more. It turns out that to do re-entry tournaments are not profitable.

That is normal. Because you didn't re-enter it means that you did good from the first bullet so making more money even if you just cash it. In the other situation if you re-enter and just cash it's some -$.
Anyway before you re-enter just look at the number of big blinds you will have. If you are ok with that number re-enter. If not, don't.

I think it really depends on the avarage stack and phase of the game,it its's late in the game there's no reason to rebuy,you'll have a really small stack. Usually when i plan to make rebuys,i play very aggresively and try to double up quick.

I really don't like to rebuy but then again if you don't once your out your out. Then what do you do?

Maybe good - if you do one. More - looks like spending bankroll.

My typical Re-Buy rules....

Regular tournaments: 1 buy in, and 1 re entry IF, starting stack is larger then 20BBs.

R/A: always start with double stack, unless you never fall under starting stack. Add-on as long you are not in top 3 after other players add on.

Originally Posted by Alex70793

Playing in tournaments if applies game the I do one buy-in, if not applies the still usually do 2-3 re-entry. When I have a big bankroll, I do re-entry, and when the bankroll is small, regardless of the bad or good game, I do only one buy-in. That's what I noticed, looking at their games for a few months came to the conclusion that I have in the long run the total gain in tournaments is less when I do re-entry, and when I play only making one buy-in in the tournament the total gain comes out more. It turns out that to do re-entry tournaments are not profitable.

Re-entry are dangerous because you can get dirty

Judgement call based on your experience and comfort level. I've played in some games at PStars (ie. Sunday Million and a few others) where the pros have bought into the game again but not more than that. If you won your entry via satellite (my favorite way) and you have peppered the field with notes on certain players, then you have the potential to work up a strategy to make it into the money...and that's what it's all about.

I never re-buy.

rebuying is like playing a new tournament. if it makes sense than you can do it. but set up a plan before. if you play for example a 33$ tourney and end up wasting much more than threat it at beginning like there is no rebuy. if you have the bankroll than rebuy makes sense unless you have 40bb. everything under that is more like a gamble (but im not referring to turbos or hyper there you should look at the bb's differently)

It sucks when you re-enter or re-buy and you are at 10bb. Fold or shove time and hopefully you can get a descent hand quick and double up. Sometimes that is all you need though a quick double up and maybe a couple more medium size pots then you can usually skate by and get ITM. Most tournaments, on ACR anyway, you barely get your buy-in back through the first couple pay levels so if you re-buy or re-enter you need to make it to the last couple tables to turn a profit.

Originally Posted by Alex70793

Playing in tournaments if applies game the I do one buy-in, if not applies the still usually do 2-3 re-entry. When I have a big bankroll, I do re-entry, and when the bankroll is small, regardless of the bad or good game, I do only one buy-in. That's what I noticed, looking at their games for a few months came to the conclusion that I have in the long run the total gain in tournaments is less when I do re-entry, and when I play only making one buy-in in the tournament the total gain comes out more. It turns out that to do re-entry tournaments are not profitable.

I am not a fan of re-entering or re-buying tournaments at all. If you can't get it done in one bullet what makes you think your going to get it done in 2-3? Its -Ev to re-buy in tournaments in my opinion. You are basically just building to pot up for the players that have earned their stacks and actually have a chance to win, to battle it out.

You really need to gamble with a re-buy to make it worth it in my opinion and chip up to make it even possible for you to win or get in the money at very least, which might not even equal your 3+ buy ins. I can understand re-buying in spots that might be something like the first 10 hands and you got unlucky, it's early levels still, sure, re-buy then, but a few levels deep in a tourney(depending on blinds to starting stack ratio) seems to be a -Ev spot to me unless your a proven short stack tourney champ, a come from Behind type of player.

Look at your results for your past tourneys and see if there is a difference in results for a single buy in, a single re-buy, or a multiple re-buy. I bet that your single buy-in tourney runs are some of your best tournament runs. If your always relying on a re-buy you are not playing your best game in my opinion, just expecting failure and having a back up plan when failure comes, possibly on multiple occasions. Re-buys are for fish in my opinion, but luck may bring you to do so, so be it, re-buy, just know that it is negative Ev in the long run of the game and that's what were here for, the long run.

Be not afraid of the rebuy if you feel that your luck should turn

As a fat chinchilla, I think if you are a profitable player with a high hourly/winrate then rebuy makes sense and is +EV. I see all the top pros online all the time nailing massive 6 figure cashes that they otherwise wouldn't have won if they hadn't done 2 or 3 rebuys. Also think it depends on you're bankroll. Large bankroll + profitable player w/strong hourly + rebuy = +EV

Originally Posted by Tmoney999

I am not a fan of re-entering or re-buying tournaments at all. If you can't get it done in one bullet what makes you think your going to get it done in 2-3? Its -Ev to re-buy in tournaments in my opinion. You are basically just building to pot up for the players that have earned their stacks and actually have a chance to win, to battle it out.
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That's true, but if you had a bad beat against a weak player it might make sense to re-buy to stay at that table.

Originally Posted by JBGoode

My typical Re-Buy rules....

Regular tournaments: 1 buy in, and 1 re entry IF, starting stack is larger then 20BBs.

R/A: always start with double stack, unless you never fall under starting stack. Add-on as long you are not in top 3 after other players add on.

Intresting rules

I usually also look at the conditions. There are rare cases when applying late registration, in which you can even get prizes in sit-out )))

Originally Posted by Tmoney999

I am not a fan of re-entering or re-buying tournaments at all. If you can't get it done in one bullet what makes you think your going to get it done in 2-3? Its -Ev to re-buy in tournaments in my opinion. You are basically just building to pot up for the players that have earned their stacks and actually have a chance to win, to battle it out.

You really need to gamble with a re-buy to make it worth it in my opinion and chip up to make it even possible for you to win or get in the money at very least, which might not even equal your 3+ buy ins. I can understand re-buying in spots that might be something like the first 10 hands and you got unlucky, it's early levels still, sure, re-buy then, but a few levels deep in a tourney(depending on blinds to starting stack ratio) seems to be a -Ev spot to me unless your a proven short stack tourney champ, a come from Behind type of player.


Look at your results for your past tourneys and see if there is a difference in results for a single buy in, a single re-buy, or a multiple re-buy. I bet that your single buy-in tourney runs are some of your best tournament runs. If your always relying on a re-buy you are not playing your best game in my opinion, just expecting failure and having a back up plan when failure comes, possibly on multiple occasions. Re-buys are for fish in my opinion, but luck may bring you to do so, so be it, re-buy, just know that it is negative Ev in the long run of the game and that's what were here for, the long run.

Guys I see nailing 6 figure scores with 2-3 rebuys on the regular who are Pro Rebuy:

CDarwin2, Probirs, Greenstone25, p0cket00, Lena900, Belabasci, LrsLzk, 1_connor_b_1, BlancoNegro, ImaLuckSac, European, shaundeeb, ImaLucSac, MrTimCaum, lasagnaaammm, MrBittar, Bounatiro, nl_profit, McZhang, Krissyb24,JoaoMathias, TheNerdGuy, ZeeJustin, bencb789, SkaiWalkurrr, Big Huni.

Only pretty much all the top online tourney crushers in the world. I think I'll side with these guys on the rebuy, pretty sure they know what their doing lol. I watch them a lot and they don't always rebuy but they do it pretty often so make of that what you will. Part of that is because of their bankrolls, their hourly, and the fact that the prize pools are very large usually in comparison with their buyins so the size of the prize pool probably factors into the frequency in which they decide to rebuy. I probably see CDarwin2 and LrsLzk rebuying 1-3 times the most frequently and they are absolutely crushing it this year and on major heaters. So make of that what you will.

ZeeJustin just had a 315k score where he did 2 rebuys. European just had a 196k cash where he rebought twice and he rebuys often. Probirs rebought 3 times in a tourney where he just cashed for 54k. GodOfHU turned 2 rebuys of 2k into a 121k cash. LrsLzk/Sami Kelopuro just had a 100k and 60k cash where he rebought twice both times. Like 70% of the time LrsLzk nails a big cash he rebuys 2-3 times that guy is the rebuy king and he's probably the hottest player in the world of online poker right now. These guys are the best online tourney players in the world so I'll side with them on rebuying. Though most people aren't them. If you are a profitable player with a solid winrate, have a healthy sized bankroll for it, and if you grind out a decent size volume then rebuying makes a ton of sense and you should absolutely do it, but if you aren't profitable and if you don't have a healthy bankroll for the stakes you play and if you don't grind out a decent amount of volume then hell no you should never rebuy. Check out all the biggest completed tourneys and watch the biggest tourneys on Stars, you will always see the top players nailing huge cashes with 1-3 rebuys. The majority of top players are big proponents of it.

Originally Posted by PLAYFUL1

Be not afraid of the rebuy if you feel that your luck should turn

I agree that players shouldn't be afraid of the rebuy. But luck shouldn't have any factor in whether you decide to rebuy or not, its Poker not Roulette. Whether you rebuy or not should be based on the following factors: You're skill level, how you are playing, you're state of mind (hell no if you just took a bad beat and feeling tilty or spewy), what you're hourly/winrate is, what you're bankroll is, how much volume you are looking to churn out, stage of the tourney in comparison to the starting stack you will get/what average stack is, and the size of the prize pool in comparison to the buyin.

You're right, this is not profitable. I understood this from the very beginning. Honestly, I do not like to play in such tournaments.

Originally Posted by 1FatChinchilla

Guys I see nailing 6 figure scores with 2-3 rebuys on the regular who are Pro Rebuy:

CDarwin2, Probirs, Greenstone25, p0cket00, Lena900, Belabasci, LrsLzk, 1_connor_b_1, BlancoNegro, ImaLuckSac, European, shaundeeb, ImaLucSac, MrTimCaum, lasagnaaammm, MrBittar, Bounatiro, nl_profit, McZhang, Krissyb24,JoaoMathias, TheNerdGuy, ZeeJustin, bencb789, SkaiWalkurrr, Big Huni.

Only pretty much all the top online tourney crushers in the world. I think I'll side with these guys on the rebuy, pretty sure they know what their doing lol. I watch them a lot and they don't always rebuy but they do it pretty often so make of that what you will. Part of that is because of their bankrolls, their hourly, and the fact that the prize pools are very large usually in comparison with their buyins so the size of the prize pool probably factors into the frequency in which they decide to rebuy. I probably see CDarwin2 and LrsLzk rebuying 1-3 times the most frequently and they are absolutely crushing it this year and on major heaters. So make of that what you will.

ZeeJustin just had a 315k score where he did 2 rebuys. European just had a 196k cash where he rebought twice and he rebuys often. Probirs rebought 3 times in a tourney where he just cashed for 54k. GodOfHU turned 2 rebuys of 2k into a 121k cash. LrsLzk/Sami Kelopuro just had a 100k and 60k cash where he rebought twice both times. Like 70% of the time LrsLzk nails a big cash he rebuys 2-3 times that guy is the rebuy king and he's probably the hottest player in the world of online poker right now. These guys are the best online tourney players in the world so I'll side with them on rebuying. Though most people aren't them. If you are a profitable player with a solid winrate, have a healthy sized bankroll for it, and if you grind out a decent size volume then rebuying makes a ton of sense and you should absolutely do it, but if you aren't profitable and if you don't have a healthy bankroll for the stakes you play and if you don't grind out a decent amount of volume then hell no you should never rebuy. Check out all the biggest completed tourneys and watch the biggest tourneys on Stars, you will always see the top players nailing huge cashes with 1-3 rebuys. The majority of top players are big proponents of it.

It's really cool you know all these guys stats.... not. It might be profitable for these guys to re-buy yes, they are top players that earn a huge living playing the game. It would be plus Ev for them to rebuy. You on the other hand I don't think it would be plus Ev for you to be re-buying all that much unless you have some huge poker wins I'm not aware of. The way you talk about these "online tourney crushers" I highly doubt it. You speak of these cats as there your heroes because they've put the time and effort in to be extremely successful at a game. That's all good, but chill, there not you and your not them. I don't like re-buying and I will stick to that idea, these guys stats spouted off in such a ridiculous manner will not change the way I think. Time may change it but we are yet to see. Cheers

Don't really see a difference between re-entering and playing another tourney, in fact it is the same. If you do not mind to jump while late registration and have enough bankroll, why not?

I prefer re entry to rebuy tourneys. If you take a bad beat you can just start over with starting chips. Not like in rebuy where u just go all in every hand, bust out, double rebuy then add on. It's just a much more fair structure in my opinion.

I always count on rebuying one time just in case. That way I'm less affected if I get donked out. If it's towards the end of late registration, or I've rebought 2 plus. Times. I usually wouldn't recommend rebuying.

IMO the only reasons not to rebuy are:

1) If it's going to be 15BBs or less and you aren't comfortable playing short stacked or

2) If you're on tilt from your bust out.

I think the profitability depends on how many players entered the tournament and the overall places paid out to buy-in amount. If I kept buying in just to win less or equal to my initial buy in amount after the bubble, then it is obviously not worth re-buying but if the payout is priced right and you profit slightly or greater than the re-buy amount I'm not only making money but I'm increasing my chances of multiplying those buy-ins significantly. Just evaluate risk vs. reward

If you're close to the money, why not rebuy to try to get into the money?

Imo only if you think you have an edge and are playing in a short field

Originally Posted by myquickwit

I prefer re entry to rebuy tourneys. If you take a bad beat you can just start over with starting chips. Not like in rebuy where u just go all in every hand, bust out, double rebuy then add on. It's just a much more fair structure in my opinion.

I actually like R+A events. You just need to understand, what the correct strategic adjustments are, and they are basically the opposite of, what you suggest. When the add-ons are purchased, the value of each chip goes down, so the end of the rebuy period is almost like a bubble. You want to make it past the rebuy period, and ideally without having to fire several bullets.

People, who dubble rebuy and splash their chips around trying to build a big stack, basically just sweeten the price pool for other players. And this is great, because when other players make strategic mistakes, we profit. On the other side we also profit from those players, who dont purchase the add-on, even they have the option.

And finally there are still some R+A tournaments, where rebuys and add-ons are not raked. More rake is really not better, so if you play on a site, that has those tournaments, you want to play those before higher raked events.

You just need to understand, that R+A events require a larger bankroll. Because of the large number of rebuys and add-ons, a 2,2$ R+A on 888 Poker is really more like a 5,5$ normal tournament and should be seen as an alternative to those.

I do one re-buy and that is all

I like CC freerolls because there are no rebuys. If MtCashman could rebuy and addon, forget about it, he would be a perpetual winner

If you're better than your rivals is very profitable.

I do this only when the tournament seems soft and if I had been knocked out by some bad play or lucky draw

I always avoided re entry tournaments until yesterday.... For a dollar buy in, I decided I will play super loose and enter an hour late. This way the blinds were very high and I could shove constantly to try steal the blinds. After stealing four hands I nearly doubled the starting stack and then I began to play properly. I would consider trying this strategy again as it prevented me from needed to rebuy (thus making min-cash positive value)

If you have the choice between re-entry and a similar game fresh from start, the math will tell that re-entry is the worse of the two options.
When the choice is re-entry or go home, it is very different. As others have mentioned: your relative skill in the playing field is one of the factors to look at.

It all depend on your bankroll, skill and tournament structure

Re-entry is good for the people that make the bubble as most of the money goes to payouts. Like you I only enter one time and I try not to play in tournaments that have more then 30 minute re buys. Most tournaments are very sloppy until the re buys have ended. You are dealt pocket queens and some jerk with 4 K unsuited goes all in because he doesn't care and hits a pair 4´s for the win. Without the re-buy he may not have done that or best case, he does that and is knocked out leaving the real players to continue.

Re-entry leads to a desire for revenge in my opinion. The more aggression the less concentration. Sometimes you have to admit defeat

I am not a big fan of the re-entries, while I dont have numbers on this.....it seems like the better players are the ones doing most of the re-entries, so in a normal mtt the pro may have got bad beat and he is gone, but in a re-entry hes just re-enters.

I very rarely make re-entry, I think that the distance is negative.

I think rebuying profitability is dependent on the structure of the tournament, the player's ability and mostly the average stack size vs the rebuy stack size at the level buying in.

Rebuying at level 2 or 3 where the buy in stack is 200 BB and the average stack is 210 BB should give just as much equity as your first entry.


Rebuying at level 19 where the average stack is 45BB and you are buying in at 5 or 10BB is not going to be profitable very often. - Obviously

Number of BB's I get and number of BBs in the avg stack are what I look at when deciding if I will rebuy. BTW I won a 227 entry tournament on my second rebuy (at level 6) yesterday.

For me a re-entry is not done.
In the first place, you have the starting stack again, while all the rest already grow, so you always have a disadvantage.
I'm also too proud to re-enter, if I can't win in the normal way, I don't deserve to win at all.

I dont know if it is right, but almost every tournament, when I am making rebuy ir re-entry, than I have better luck . But I like that I can take at least one rebuy in tournament.

I do the same as you. I always have a small bankroll because I never have a large one. If I fly out of the tournament I don’t come back again.

Hi There

I dont like to re-buy
either you are good in the tourney or forget it
The hands will not change if you re-buy
Then, if you´re out, move to another game
Rgds

Originally Posted by Loky13

I think it really depends on the avarage stack and phase of the game,it its's late in the game there's no reason to rebuy,you'll have a really small stack. Usually when i plan to make rebuys,i play very aggresively and try to double up quick.

I totally agree with that.
check your position and blinds etc...

In short, for good players meaning winning regs at the level of the tourney-- yes, re-buys make sense to the degree that they come as a default.

For everybody else, its just sweetening the pot for winning players and the poker site, heh.

I dont like re-buy and re-entry event and dont usually go more than one bullet. This being said I have re-entered events. The one good think is when you get knocked out early and still want to play you still will have a stack that's deep enough to play with. What I dont get is the players buying in with 10BB and sometime less stacks late. Yes you can push and double up but is it really worth it at that point.

I think it basically depends on when you are rebuying back in. If it is right before registration ends it's likely you are going to be starting small stacked against everyone else and fighting uphill. If you are to re enter a tourney I think it should typically only be early on, although I dont really like to re enter into tourneys usually.

I play the crap out of em because theres always people that all in alot. I like playing no rebuys if I dont want to play for a long time.

Reentering a tournament is exactly the same as late registrering. If you got coolered and stacked in the first few blind levels, there is no objective reason to not reenter. There was probably a reason, why you decided to play that tournament in the first place, and that reason is still there.

Not reentering in that situation is the same as leaving a cash game, because your KK ran into AA after 10 hands, and you got stacked. We should be bankrolled for the games, we play, so firing another bullet at either a tournament or a cash game should not be a problem, when we just got unlucky.

If the tournament has been running for several blind levels, it depends on, if you like to register late and start with a relatively short stack. If you do, then reenter, if you dont, then play the next tournament instead.