pocket 9s

[duggs]

I'm just not going to bother, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[calicard]

I'm just not going to bother, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

In your scenario about blinds
Say blinds are 2000

I have 18,000 chips thus less than 12 BB
p1 has 2,000 chips
p2 has 3,000 chips
p3 has 4,000 chips
p4 has 6,000 chips
p5 has 2,000 chips
p6 has 2,000 chips
p7 has 50,0000 chips

You are saying thus I have less than 10 bb left to shove against player with 50,000 chips. While every one else folds Ridiculous pure ridiculous

 

[tigerjr555]

i would have did the same thing u needed to make a move and u did poker is alot about luck and u ran into a bigger pocket pair odds are u would win more hands then lose with that hand on preflop

 

[AAChipMagnet]

Not really a bad move but often pocket 9s are post-flop underdogs. You have to consider also that the only person calling you there would either have a much bigger stack or good solid hand to begin with.

 

[10058765]

Not really a bad move but often pocket 9s are post-flop underdogs. You have to consider also that the only person calling you there would either have a much bigger stack or good solid hand to begin with.

Hi, calling with a much bigger stack ? Great, you might more than double up.
A good solid hand ? Not always. They might ofcourse have a bigger pair, but also some broadways ,lower pairs and even A-rag kind of hands, not even to mention some people who call with trash just because they have a big stack and want to gamble with it.

With 10 BB left it's push or fold and to me 99 is definitely a push .

 

[Poker Orifice]

I'm just not going to bother, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

this ^
(Cali, just the fact that you'd even bring up that '77' hand & somehow relate it to this one makes this even more evident. Bookmark that thread & go back to it once you've spent some time on this game).

Oh, & my answer to OP... ez fold. You knew he had QQ so this is a fold

 

[calicard]

this ^
(Cali, just the fact that you'd even bring up that '77' hand & somehow relate it to this one makes this even more evident. Bookmark that thread & go back to it once you've spent some time on this game).

Oh, & my answer to OP... ez fold. You knew he had QQ so this is a fold

In your scenario about blinds
Say blinds are 2000

I have 18,000 chips thus less than 12 BB
p1 has 2,000 chips
p2 has 3,000 chips
p3 has 4,000 chips
p4 has 6,000 chips
p5 has 2,000 chips
p6 has 2,000 chips
p7 has 50,0000 chips

You are saying thus I have less than 10 bb left to shove against player with 50,000 chips. While every one else folds Ridiculous pure ridiculous

 

[BlueNowhere]

Cali how much are you up/down at online poker?

 

[calicard]

Cali how much are you up/down at online poker?

According to your version of variance I am = even. According to my version of variance I am down less than you. Because I am definitely not down 65 buy- ins.
Put it this way I play nickle dime so I am 1 tourney away from having a 100% ROI. In laymens terms on carbon poker I am down $24.14


Say blinds are 2000

I have 18,000 chips thus less than 12 BB
p1 has 2,000 chips
p2 has 3,000 chips
p3 has 4,000 chips
p4 has 6,000 chips
p5 has 2,000 chips
p6 has 2,000 chips
p7 has 50,0000 chips

You are saying thus I have less than 10 bb left to shove against player with 50,000 chips. While every one else folds Ridiculous pure ridiculous

 

[FeltLikeIt]

i wish i had 99 right now.... i have bubbled more than Dawn, more than bazoka joe, mor than the Michillian man, more than iretibal Boul Syndrome... IM a bubble mAchine

 

[BlueNowhere]

What do you mean according to my version of variance? Also I've never been down 65BI, I've been 65BI below ev but even then my actual all in line was only down 40BI.

I am asking because as a losing palyer you should be open to accepting help from winning players who play 10x the BI you do.

 

[calicard]

What do you mean according to my version of variance? Also I've never been down 65BI, I've been 65BI below ev but even then my actual all in line was only down 40BI.

I am asking because as a losing palyer you should be open to accepting help from winning players who play 10x the BI you do.

That my friend is why I joined cards chat because I have a few weak points in my game. I pretty much know where they are but just cannot seem to not do what I know is stupid.
#1 I hate being bluffed so I end up calling off all my chips.
#2 I think that 90% of the time I push all in I do it so as not to get a call but in hopes everyone folds.
#3 I need to work on my timing so as not to just make stupid calls,bets or raises instantly.I think that if I use a few seconds to think through what I am about to do a lot of times I would not make that stupid move.

Say blinds are 2000

I have 18,000 chips thus less than 12 BB
p1 has 2,000 chips
p2 has 3,000 chips
p3 has 4,000 chips
p4 has 6,000 chips
p5 has 2,000 chips
p6 has 2,000 chips
p7 has 50,0000 chips

You are saying thus I have less than 10 bb left to shove against player with 50,000 chips. While every one else folds Ridiculous pure ridiculous

 

[BlueNowhere]

The 77 hand was nothing like that though was it. You made a terrible decision and refused to accept what advice you got off better players. Nearly every thread you create for advice you refuse to accept the help offered.

 

[ben_rhyno]

Say blinds are 2000

I have 18,000 chips thus less than 12 BB
p1 has 2,000 chips
p2 has 3,000 chips
p3 has 4,000 chips
p4 has 6,000 chips
p5 has 2,000 chips
p6 has 2,000 chips
p7 has 50,0000 chips

You are saying thus I have less than 10 bb left to shove against player with 50,000 chips. While every one else folds Ridiculous pure ridiculous

Is this your signature?

 

[calicard]

The 77 hand was nothing like that though was it. You made a terrible decision and refused to accept what advice you got off better players. Nearly every thread you create for advice you refuse to accept the help offered.

That 77 hand was very similar to that there were 3 players all in next round I was second in chips with 15 rounds left.
The most determining factor was 8th place paid $4---- 7th place $7---------6th place $10 ----------------5th place $12-------- 4th place $16 and so on to risk my guaranteed $16 for fourth by just folding every hand to win $4 for gambling.
Easy Fold

 

[calicard]

Is this your signature?

No.
Just making a point


Say blinds are 2000

I have 18,000 chips thus less than 12 BB
p1 has 2,000 chips
p2 has 3,000 chips
p3 has 4,000 chips
p4 has 6,000 chips
p5 has 2,000 chips
p6 has 2,000 chips
p7 has 50,0000 chips

You are saying thus I have less than 10 bb left to shove against player with 50,000 chips. While every one else folds Ridiculous pure ridiculous

 

[calicard]

The 77 hand was nothing like that though was it. You made a terrible decision and refused to accept what advice you got off better players. Nearly every thread you create for advice you refuse to accept the help offered.

Did you even look at what I thought my weak points were and offer constructive criticism?
Or do you just want to argue


Say blinds are 2000

I have 18,000 chips thus less than 12 BB
p1 has 2,000 chips
p2 has 3,000 chips
p3 has 4,000 chips
p4 has 6,000 chips
p5 has 2,000 chips
p6 has 2,000 chips
p7 has 50,0000 chips

You are saying thus I have less than 10 bb left to shove against player with 50,000 chips. While every one else folds Ridiculous pure ridiculous

 

[BlueNowhere]

That 77 hand was very similar to that there were 3 players all in next round I was second in chips with 15 rounds left.
The most determining factor was 8th place paid $4---- 7th place $7---------6th place $10 ----------------5th place $12-------- 4th place $16 and so on to risk my guaranteed $16 for fourth by just folding every hand to win $4 for gambling.
Easy Fold

I'll answer with a quote

I'm just not going to bother, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Keep making fundamentally incorrect plays if you insist.

 

[calicard]

I'll answer with a quote



Keep making fundamentally incorrect plays if you insist.

Thank you for sharing your vast Knowledge

 

[Poker Orifice]

Is this your signature?

I was wondering the same thing, lol.

 

[duggs]

I genuinely feel that he is just a waste of our time, i would much rather have interesting discussions about things that benefit others rather than argue about the absolute basics and fundamentals with someone who has no clue and more importantly isn't open or appreciative of the input.

 

[calicard]

I genuinely feel that he is just a waste of our time, i would much rather have interesting discussions about things that benefit others rather than argue about the absolute basics and fundamentals with someone who has no clue and more importantly isn't open or appreciative of the input.

Answer the question

Say blinds are 2000

I have 18,000 chips thus less than 12 BB
p1 has 2,000 chips
p2 has 3,000 chips
p3 has 4,000 chips
p4 has 6,000 chips
p5 has 2,000 chips
p6 has 2,000 chips
p7 has 50,0000 chips

You are saying thus I have less than 10 bb left to shove against player with 50,000 chips. While every one else folds Ridiculous pure ridiculous

 

[TheKAAHK]

Answer the question

Say blinds are 2000

I have 18,000 chips thus less than 12 BB
p1 has 2,000 chips
p2 has 3,000 chips
p3 has 4,000 chips
p4 has 6,000 chips
p5 has 2,000 chips
p6 has 2,000 chips
p7 has 50,0000 chips

You are saying thus I have less than 10 bb left to shove against player with 50,000 chips. While every one else folds Ridiculous pure ridiculous

This type of situation comes up so rarely (read: pretty much never) that it's a poor example. In that scenario it's a clear fold. But since it's less likely to happen then me spouting wings out of my back and flying to China, I must ask: what's your point with this? Are you going anywhere with this train or are you just going to extremes to make a point that is fundamentally moot?

I'm not trying to pick on you or call you out or anything, but this bickering has to stop somewhere. If you can concede to me that this scenario is absurd, I"ll admit that as stated it's a clear fold.

And fwiw, I'd rather shove 99 utg with 10bb's than an A. But unfortunately he didn't have AK, and despite the result, shoving was better than folding in that spot. Take a chance, win a prize. ...or fold your way to misery..

 

[calicard]

This type of situation comes up so rarely (read: pretty much never) that it's a poor example. In that scenario it's a clear fold. But since it's less likely to happen then me spouting wings out of my back and flying to China, I must ask: what's your point with this? Are you going anywhere with this train or are you just going to extremes to make a point that is fundamentally moot?

I'm not trying to pick on you or call you out or anything, but this bickering has to stop somewhere. If you can concede to me that this scenario is absurd, I"ll admit that as stated it's a clear fold.

And fwiw, I'd rather shove 99 utg with 10bb's than an A. But unfortunately he didn't have AK, and despite the result, shoving was better than folding in that spot. Take a chance, win a prize. ...or fold your way to misery..

Conceded this exact scenario is not likely, but similar situations do arise.
I already said that shoving with 99 here was the only move and why.
They like the bickering they thrive on it especially BlueNowhere with out a good debate at least once a day he would feel cheated in life

 

[duggs]

This type of situation comes up so rarely (read: pretty much never) that it's a poor example. In that scenario it's a clear fold. But since it's less likely to happen then me spouting wings out of my back and flying to China, I must ask: what's your point with this? Are you going anywhere with this train or are you just going to extremes to make a point that is fundamentally moot?

I'm not trying to pick on you or call you out or anything, but this bickering has to stop somewhere. If you can concede to me that this scenario is absurd, I"ll admit that as stated it's a clear fold.

And fwiw, I'd rather shove 99 utg with 10bb's than an A. But unfortunately he didn't have AK, and despite the result, shoving was better than folding in that spot. Take a chance, win a prize. ...or fold your way to misery..

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-hand-analysis-51/2-nlhe-mtt-77-a-205571/

this is the thread he is referring to, you notice he changed the stacks significantly, and gave the opener a range of 100% then argued how shoving 77 was -EV as it is the same as shoving 67.