Brief background: I started with a $0 balance in May and have just now built it up to just over $50 (>$42 real money + >$8 tourney money). I have always kept a conservative 100 buy ins as BRM and would like to continue that way.

My BR threshold for losses will be at $35 after which I'm going to go back to playing satellites and freerolls.

I've made a list of $0.55 tourneys that I can play. As attached in the screenshot. I'm worried about how deep the player fields are because I'm used to playing smaller fields in party and making a positive ROI as a result. Any thoughts?

Having said that I'm super excited to finally put in greater volume. Waiting around for freerolls and playing 3 sattys a day is a real drag honestly.

Yellow highlights signify MTTs I won't be able to play as regularly as I want. The others I can plan and play.

friend patience, are lengthy tournaments, so go unhurried ok
Very good luck.
We are together.
😎👊🍀🍀🍀💰💰💰💰

Thanks Marcos. Will do, especially in the 2 x normal speed MTTs

Chips, cards & Positions.

If you're not used to large fields, play a bit tighter early on than you might have played with smaller field (counter-intuitive, right?). But as the tournament progresses towards the final few tables, play as you would normally play.

All the very best!

Originally Posted by AviCKter

Chips, cards & Positions.

If you're not used to large fields, play a bit tighter early on than you might have played with smaller field (counter-intuitive, right?). But as the tournament progresses towards the final few tables, play as you would normally play.

All the very best!

Thanks a bunch mate. I don't expect a lot of success initially (especially with the bounties) but I'll remember any and all advice given. Will help in sticking to the game plan during long dry spells

Good morning, I recommend you play a satellite of 0.22 which is KO and the prize is an entry to the tournament 2.2 that is also KO. you would be playing cheap and if you eliminate 6 players and recover the entry. to me it has given me positive results.

good luck at the tables

Originally Posted by Sergio_uy

Good morning, I recommend you play a satellite of 0.22 which is KO and the prize is an entry to the tournament 2.2 that is also KO. you would be playing cheap and if you eliminate 6 players and recover the entry. to me it has given me positive results.

good luck at the tables

That's a really good idea. I've seen these but have been a little sceptical about them. These are the same ones that read "test" in the tourney name I believe. Since I'm tackling more bounty MTTs head on these sattys will make for good practice even if I don't qualify.

take good notes, review your hands, sharkscope the regs

I would recommend playing mtt tournaments of 0.55 or 1.10 you can also play sit-and-go tournaments of 0.50 of 360 players or 180 players are excellent

Originally Posted by TeUnit

take good notes, review your hands, sharkscope the regs

When I was putting in volume last year on Party I was doing a more consistent job than I am today. I have become sloppier recently. Sharkscope is not a tool I'd used earlier but I did use pokerprolabs diligently. Will be trying sharkscope as a replacement this time though.

Originally Posted by Masi2197

I would recommend playing mtt tournaments of 0.55 or 1.10 you can also play sit-and-go tournaments of 0.50 of 360 players or 180 players are excellent

Honestly, not very confident about playing any $1.10s atm. I will satty into them when I can but not directly buy in. I'll test the waters first. I expect a lot of variance with the larger playing fields. But if I have a 15-20 ITM% then I'll consider regging at a $75 BR.

My Sit n go game is bad. But I was seriously considering putting more time an effort to be better and initially with smaller playing fields (90 players and below). But combining sit n gos with MTTs atm is not something I can do successfully until I make more progress studying sit n gos I feel.

on a 50$ roll 0.25$ SnG & any sats under 0.55$ are the safest options IMO

Yep. On the SNG front I was eyeing the $0.25 games myself. They are currently the smallest formats offering 45 and 90 player fields.

I find at party,the best time to play is 1am-5am est,,,,all fish,all u can eat! GL Bro

Thanks mate. I didn't know that

I just jumped in a 6-max,5.50 buy-in if ya wanna rail,,i`ll let u know how i did (damn,mario4an is a reg,good player)

Found you. #144764934 - 250Gtd. Chat's disabled though

Originally Posted by darthdimsky

Found you. #144764934 - 250Gtd. Chat's disabled though

That`s me Thx buddy,will do my best! (opps i moved,lol) 7th place at break with 35k,26 players left,top 4 get $$$

Tell ya what,jus 4 railin(support)i`m givin ya 10% of my action,,,give ya a little sweat Let`s do this!

Yea I saw the trips you got with the Tc3c. Maybe start a rail thread for this tourney?

Originally Posted by terryk

Tell ya what,jus 4 railin(support)i`m givin ya 10% of my action,,,give ya a little sweat Let`s do this!

No bro. I can't take it. I'm happy simply railing and having fun

Originally Posted by darthdimsky

No bro. I can't take it. I'm happy simply railing and having fun

i understand,respect. DD

Originally Posted by darthdimsky

Yea I saw the trips you got with the Tc3c. Maybe start a rail thread for this tourney?

maybe,if i get deeper,,we`ll see

ouch. saw merchanti hit his 4s. Bad way to go out

Oh well,i`m glad it wasn`t a $20 buy-in lol

Originally Posted by terryk

Oh well,i`m glad it wasn`t a $20 buy-in lol

Hahaha!

Originally Posted by darthdimsky

ouch. saw merchanti hit his 4s. Bad way to go out

yea,been running bad on PP for awhile now,,gotta ride it out is all Things gotta turn around sometime Back to Stars! he he (playing the $5.50 Pro-Ko if ya wanna rail that one in 15 mins,,i`ll start a rail thread for that one,maybe?

I'd again say what I said in your other thread as well.
You have to make cash or sit n gos your primary poker game to move up to places.
How many successful mtt'ers do you see in the current game that just plays mtt's? Only a very few & still they buy & sell action to reduce variance.
It's a very frustrating road just playing mtt's.

And I also believe you are playing too much on the conservative side. Good brm is needed but you need to take risks to get bigger rewards.

And ditching the lowest level tourneys is another thing I'd say as I did before. Play 50/60 cent sattys to bigger games with that brm.

Your life would be a hell of a lot easy if you pick up cash or sit n gos.
Not the 45/90 man ones. Try 1 dollar 6 max or 9 max ones. When you become good at it you can build up your br consistently with some scores occasionally from mtts.

Originally Posted by terryk

yea,been running bad on PP for awhile now,,gotta ride it out is all Things gotta turn around sometime Back to Stars! he he (playing the $5.50 Pro-Ko if ya wanna rail that one in 15 mins,,i`ll start a rail thread for that one,maybe?

Maybe I'll join you 😎

Originally Posted by Alucard

Maybe I'll join you 😎

and maybe i`ll rail you lol

Read this if you haven't already

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/lear...nkroll-181238/

Originally Posted by Alucard

Read this if you haven't already

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/lear...nkroll-181238/

I`ve read that,,,very good stuff,

Hm i would recomend 1.1 KO tourneys... It is above your BRM but i think you can risk bigger buyin on those since only two bounties brings you half buyin so no need to ATM, also if you finish in top 3-5% you will probably make 2-3x more than doing it on regular MTT... Also on those tourneys i find players most fishy and overplaying hands for bounty, so if you are low with stack pretty good chance to come back if you are patient enough and ofc little bit lucky not to get beaten by trash hand looking for your bounty!! If you decide to go with your plan you can maybe ask for 33$ stake and sell 50% of 30 tourneys you will play and that way it will cost you those 0.55... Now i am broke but in begg of next month i would be glad to help, and teryk is always here for those small stakes!

Originally Posted by Alucard

I'd again say what I said in your other thread as well.
You have to make cash or sit n gos your primary poker game to move up to places.
How many successful mtt'ers do you see in the current game that just plays mtt's? Only a very few & still they buy & sell action to reduce variance.
It's a very frustrating road just playing mtt's.

And I also believe you are playing too much on the conservative side. Good brm is needed but you need to take risks to get bigger rewards.

The best way to combat the variance is simply increasing volume. E.g. In 2016 I racked up 4886 MTTs @ 8.02% ITM at PP. The ITM is really skewed because there is a chunk of $0.01c sats that pay only the top 2-4 places in a 100+ player field that bloats the #s. Adjusted ITM is actually at 19.33% against 1,790 MTTs. I put in a solid 7 months worth of MTTing last year. This averages to approx 8-9 MTTs/day (ex the $0.01 Sats). Ref here.

My strengths are MTTs. My ITM% is actually above avg. given the volume. My problems with the PS has been the slim to non offerings available in the form of micro tourneys (e.g. $0.11/$0.22 MTTs). If there were options like this earlier I would've been able to hit $50 in about a month and a half. I managed to run a $0.80 BR to $90 in PP in the span of 3 weeks because they had $0.11 rebuys at the time.

See there's a bit of an oxymoron there. I already know that aggressive 30BIs and regular 50BIs. Folks recommend sticking to these BRs and sell action to reduce variance. I can forgo this by enforcing a 100BI rule. There are a number of valid reasons in this case to stick to a 100BI standard in my case:

• I have a well known history of tilting hard. I've been very candid about it from my first post in CC. And two forms of tilt. Both the frustration and the loss in confidence tilts. This has drastically improved in practice from setting more realistic expectations and reading up on the subject matter though.
• The player fields are 1k+ (min $600 Gtd will require a 1200 player pool). I'm used to playing player fields of 400-800. Variance will be a bitch

And ditching the lowest level tourneys is another thing I'd say as I did before. Play 50/60 cent sattys to bigger games with that brm.

You do realise that Sats tend to pay 10% of the field as opposed to the more regular 15% for MTTs? Mathematically you have a greater propensity to cash more frequently in MTTs as opposed to Satellites. Mind you, you've got to first get in the 10% to qualify and then cash in 15%. Plus you've also got to make adjustments to the gameplay because of the disparity of stacks and blinds/ante levels from sat play to MTT.

I grinded a healthy bankroll playing donkfests (smaller fields though) on party in the $0.22 and $0.55 tourneys there. I'm only applying the same experience here.

I'm also used to multi-tabling 3 MTTs a min at a time. I've actually felt very lethargic at the rate of play I've committed till today. After announcing thread yesterday I played 4 MTTs (min 3 tabling) and cashed in all 4. This is an outlier of an example. But the tendency to cash more frequently and run deep is directly proportional to how frequently I grind and multi table.

Your life would be a hell of a lot easy if you pick up cash or sit n gos.
Not the 45/90 man ones. Try 1 dollar 6 max or 9 max ones. When you become good at it you can build up your br consistently with some scores occasionally from mtts.

Cash games is where I tilted my bankroll off (twice because I'm too stupid to learn from the first mistake). I've come a long way but have got to put in more time to improving cash game play and tilt control. Right now I'm improving on my MTT game.

I used to play all those variations of SNGs in 2013 and I was a losing player. I will need to put in time and practice. I'm reading up on Sit N Gos atm and have a private mini challenge planned in the next month or 2. I will be incorporating this in my game.

My SNG BR ( and eventual Cash BR) will be funded by the MTT cashes as opposed to your recommendation though

@Alucard - If you want I can set up another daily progress thread as an experiment to see this this will really work or not. Heck, maybe we incorporate a few challenges till the end of the year. If I fail I take up cash/SNGs from the first day of next year.

Originally Posted by Ronaldo7

Hm i would recomend 1.1 KO tourneys... It is above your BRM but i think you can risk bigger buyin on those since only two bounties brings you half buyin so no need to ATM, also if you finish in top 3-5% you will probably make 2-3x more than doing it on regular MTT... Also on those tourneys i find players most fishy and overplaying hands for bounty, so if you are low with stack pretty good chance to come back if you are patient enough and ofc little bit lucky not to get beaten by trash hand looking for your bounty!! If you decide to go with your plan you can maybe ask for 33$ stake and sell 50% of 30 tourneys you will play and that way it will cost you those 0.55... Now i am broke but in begg of next month i would be glad to help, and teryk is always here for those small stakes!

It's good on paper but the bounties are where I'm weakest in all MTTs atm. I've had 2 deep runs in bounties 96/6108 (fell asleep at the 250 mark and got blinded out) and yesterday's 189/2567. Impressive? No. Because I made both those deep runs without one bounty. Yes completely bountiless

Now that I'm getting more into bounties and will be figuring this out I'm sure i'll work out just like you said it will.

Staking is definitely out of the question. Heck I wouldn't stake myself even and would give myself a negative recommendation based on my results so far. I will need to have a longer & better track record before I get into it.

Honestly I'm happy I'm at this point because now I can put in the volume. I actually needed more help when I began to make this BR because the options for MTTs were so limited at the time. I am happy now and expect to kick some @$$!

I would recommend a small stake say $10-$20,,i`m sure you could sell that much,Dims(just on likeability)i would be in for 50% for sure,I think it would be fun, At 15-20 tournys,you get 1 FT and we`re golden$,like you said,work on your game,focus on your strengths and give it a shot in a few weeks. (sometimes stakes are about having fun and maybe helping out a friend at the same time and i`m more than cool with that) Let`s Do Itttttttt!!!! all up to u bro. Jus thought i`d throw it up there

Originally Posted by darthdimsky

Thanks a bunch mate. I don't expect a lot of success initially (especially with the bounties) but I'll remember any and all advice given. Will help in sticking to the game plan during long dry spells

Bounty tourneys take some getting used to indeed, the most important thing is to adjust your calling ranges when someone shoves. You want to call with a wider range since part of the prize money is (unsurprisingly) in bounties.

Originally Posted by darthdimsky

@Alucard - If you want I can set up another daily progress thread as an experiment to see this this will really work or not. Heck, maybe we incorporate a few challenges till the end of the year. If I fail I take up cash/SNGs from the first day of next year.

I'm up for a challenge. But not to prove a point but to improve both of our game
I'm currently grinding until I reach $150 at each site. But committed my roll for some tourneys & took some hits.
If you want lets set up a challenge. But I got some exams coming & I'm not entirely feeling good these days.
Come up with something & I'll think about it & tell you in a few days

Originally Posted by terryk

I would recommend a small stake say $10-$20,,i`m sure you could sell that much,Dims(just on likeability)i would be in for 50% for sure,I think it would be fun, At 15-20 tournys,you get 1 FT and we`re golden$,like you said,work on your game,focus on your strengths and give it a shot in a few weeks. (sometimes stakes are about having fun and maybe helping out a friend at the same time and i`m more than cool with that) Let`s Do Itttttttt!!!! all up to u bro. Jus thought i`d throw it up there

You know I'm honestly grateful to you and Ronaldo for offering. But I can't afford to risk anyone else's money atm. It's a psychological burden that might affect my gameplay. It might work in the reverse too: keep me motivated, more focused and more diligent about following a more improved sked. I can't take that risk dude.

Besides, I'm new to large MTT fields like in PS. Off to a good start so far but will feel more confident about taking a stake if I handle myself well during a downswing. If I can avoid the signs for tilt that I'm on the lookout for and play responsibly (as in stick to volume and schedule) then I will seriously consider a stake.

Originally Posted by Nr98

Bounty tourneys take some getting used to indeed, the most important thing is to adjust your calling ranges when someone shoves. You want to call with a wider range since part of the prize money is (unsurprisingly) in bounties.

That's the problem I'm facing atm. Factoring in the monetary value as part of the EV calculations we use in regular MTTs. Honestly haven't done specific research to bounties and will be doing this tomorrow (day off poker today).

Originally Posted by Alucard

I'm up for a challenge. But not to prove a point but to improve both of our game
I'm currently grinding until I reach $150 at each site. But committed my roll for some tourneys & took some hits.
If you want lets set up a challenge. But I got some exams coming & I'm not entirely feeling good these days.
Come up with something & I'll think about it & tell you in a few days

Yea, it was just and idea at the time. Drawing blanks atm. Will let you know.

First thoughts: targets shouldn't be (only?) monetary. They should involve other KPIs. Could be a combination of ITM and ROI. I'm going to draw some ideas from the embedded vid. Third time I'm posting this vid in a thread

You Tube

Sound reasoning,Dims. Cheers,Bratha!

Originally Posted by darthdimsky

It's good on paper but the bounties are where I'm weakest in all MTTs atm. I've had 2 deep runs in bounties 96/6108 (fell asleep at the 250 mark and got blinded out) and yesterday's 189/2567. Impressive? No. Because I made both those deep runs without one bounty. Yes completely bountiless

Now that I'm getting more into bounties and will be figuring this out I'm sure i'll work out just like you said it will.

Staking is definitely out of the question. Heck I wouldn't stake myself even and would give myself a negative recommendation based on my results so far. I will need to have a longer & better track record before I get into it.

Honestly I'm happy I'm at this point because now I can put in the volume. I actually needed more help when I began to make this BR because the options for MTTs were so limited at the time. I am happy now and expect to kick some @$$!

If you were 96th withouth bounty, you are to tight for MTTs in general... Money is on FT of MTTs, and by playing tightly you might have good % ATM but not sure its profitable enough... I would recomend 0.5$ SNGs 90 players for start, then 180 and 360... After that small field MTTs... Do you play any of pokerschool leagues?? There is free (altough i would recomend buying university ticket for 3.3$ and have 52 good tourneys to practice and it looks to me that tight player like you would easily win 20$ there) place for practice... If you have time to play it...

constantly playing with 0.55c, the prizes get not always, but with 0.27c in prizes constantly

Great Question. I myself am in this position as well. But playing BetOnline. Wish I could do pokerstars but not available for US players. BetOnline doesn't have PKO tourneys for micros stakes. Good Luck to you!

Originally Posted by Ronaldo7

If you were 96th withouth bounty, you are to tight for MTTs in general... Money is on FT of MTTs, and by playing tightly you might have good % ATM but not sure its profitable enough... I would recomend 0.5$ SNGs 90 players for start, then 180 and 360... After that small field MTTs... Do you play any of pokerschool leagues?? There is free (altough i would recomend buying university ticket for 3.3$ and have 52 good tourneys to practice and it looks to me that tight player like you would easily win 20$ there) place for practice... If you have time to play it...

I agree. I am playing tighter than I should for bounties. Goal is to play tight for bounties but not the nitty way I'm doing atm. The strategy is to chip up and pick off sizeable bounties in the later stages. I did this in varying degrees of success in some PKOs in 2013. And I was definitely on the way to that when I fell asleep during the 96th placing (think it was 4am at the time). It was fun seeing stacks with chips half of mine with 3-5 times more bounty values on their heads.

I am playing the league atm. 2nd month in the Masters (grinded from elementary in May). More than half my BR is from league cashes.

Originally Posted by mabeyta

Great Question. I myself am in this position as well. But playing BetOnline. Wish I could do pokerstars but not available for US players. BetOnline doesn't have PKO tourneys for micros stakes. Good Luck to you!

Thanks! And to you too!

Originally Posted by bahajan

constantly playing with 0.55c, the prizes get not always, but with 0.27c in prizes constantly

I remember looking at the 0.27c MTTs. I didn't play them because they were hypers and I'm restricting my play to normals and turbos. Me, I miss more than I hit @ hypers. LOL

Ref screenshot. These are the ones you're referring to I'm guessing.

ugg,,those 27ct games are = to a betonline freeroll,,,very fast n loose

Originally Posted by terryk

ugg,,those 27ct games are = to a betonline freeroll,,,very fast n loose

even for you? wow.

Originally Posted by darthdimsky

even for you? wow.

lol,exactly only at the 55ct level,does it start to resemble acutal poker imo

Originally Posted by darthdimsky

I agree. I am playing tighter than I should for bounties. Goal is to play tight for bounties but not the nitty way I'm doing atm. The strategy is to chip up and pick off sizeable bounties in the later stages. I did this in varying degrees of success in some PKOs in 2013. And I was definitely on the way to that when I fell asleep during the 96th placing (think it was 4am at the time). It was fun seeing stacks with chips half of mine with 3-5 times more bounty values on their heads.

I am playing the league atm. 2nd month in the Masters (grinded from elementary in May). More than half my BR is from league cashes.



Thanks! And to you too!



I remember looking at the 0.27c MTTs. I didn't play them because they were hypers and I'm restricting my play to normals and turbos. Me, I miss more than I hit @ hypers. LOL

Ref screenshot. These are the ones you're referring to I'm guessing.

Any luck in masters? I mean to cash? You might consider moving down to university intentionaly, field is so soft there, much easier to cash...