In MTT online tournaments, lot of time you are playing with players who have no idea of pot odds or any other theory, they just bet all in and get lucky at times. How do you play against these players?

Job one (as they say)...

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If we talk about MTT tournaments it is easy to reduce the luck element. Just play tournaments with starting stack of 150BB or more and with blinds which don't grow too fast.
Then you can ignore those who go all-in every hand.

Sometimes it's very frustrating to have an advantage over your opponents ? 💪😃💪

how can you start MTT with 150BB?

Increase your skill level so you are that much better than your opponents and then luck is less of a factor (but still will affect you).

People are going to get lucky no matter what you do - just focus on getting your chips in good and continually building your stack to stay ahead of the blinds.

Good luck to you!

If you already enter an MMT tournament with this idea you are doomed to failure! If you understand percentage, pot ouds, this is a sign that you are in front of these is not .... so why not use this at the tables and play them .. Have a range, analyze the game table that is, have patience Because it is a skill that few know how to use .. Against players like that, I just bet against them, when I'm hands .. and as their stack slowly, I avoid going all in.

Originally Posted by amitmanchanda

how can you start MTT with 150BB?

Just choose that type of tournaments. You can find them in many poker rooms.

Patience... wait for the right opportunity to catch the fishes! And don't tilt with bad beats, they will happen.

Originally Posted by dominiq

If we talk about MTT tournaments it is easy to reduce the luck element. Just play tournaments with starting stack of 150BB or more and with blinds which don't grow too fast.
Then you can ignore those who go all-in every hand.

That's for sure.

It can be for better or for bad, those players will end up loosing all ther money, just get a good hand and try 'n stop them, they'll end up getting lucky whether you play or not.

You can play however you want, i'm on the tight side.
Overall it's good to be tight against bad players, but not always.
Sometimes i play a little more loose if my stack and blinds allow it.
Luck is the biggest factor in mtt's.

Hand Information
Game: No Limit Blind: $40/ $80 Hand History converter courtesy of pokerhandreplays.com


Table Information
Seat1: Player 1 ($580)
Seat2: Player 2 ($1,380)
Seat3: Player 3 ($2,830)
Seat4: Player 4 ($1,040)Dealer Seat5: Player 5 ($3,370)Small Blind Seat6: Player 6 ($160)Big Blind Seat7: Hero ($1,650)
Seat8: Player 8 ($1,400)
Seat9: Player 9 ($1,090)
Dealt to Hero




Preflop (Pot:120)
Hero RAISE $416 Player 8 FOLD
Player 9 FOLD
Player 1 FOLD
Player 2 FOLD
Player 3 FOLD
Player 4 FOLD
Player 5 CALL $376 Player 6 FOLD

Flop (Pot: $912)



Player 5 ALL-IN $2,954 Hero ALL-IN $1,234 Player 5 RETURN $1,720
Turn (Pot: $5,100)




River (Pot: $5,100)





Showdown:

Player 5 SHOWS
Hero SHOWS
Player 5 SHOWS
Hero SHOWS
Player 5 wins the pot: $5,100

Patience and to play with such players premium hands and monsters...

Play each stages appropriately, that should put you in a considerable advantageous position. (If you don't know what the different stages are or how to identify them, read about it. Play some Sit N' Gos for practice).

Although they can suck out and beat your pocket whatever these players that are all in on two cards are very good for the poker economy in the long run.

In turbo and Hyper formats to reduce the element of luck is almost impossible. The only solution is to play better hands more aggressively and play the odds.

Originally Posted by amitmanchanda

how can you start MTT with 150BB?

it's tournaments for regular structure blinds

Why do u want to reduce ur luck, ugh? ))

As far as i saw, luck is the subject to control. Ur chances are increasing after someone else get luck and decreasing after ur own strike. Surely it is not a rule, but it works not so rarely.

You are very right in the tournaments appear many players who do not know very well how to play poker .... they play all in all the time without any logical reason to do it and sometimes they are lucky and they win ... for that reason the first thing that I do Is to analyze the way the villains play at my table ... having clear that I propose the appropriate strategy that allows me to reduce the risk of being eliminated by a stroke of luck that they get to have this type of players

Not to play hyper turbo tournaments, that the registration rank is a little high and that there are not a lot of players and with a very durable repurchase ...

good size bets...

No way. Just make a choice between: to engage in a fight and lose; Or bite your teeth and suffer the next half an hour.

You really can't reduce luck

All you can do is get it in with the best hand, odds in your favor, the luck element will always be there, bit if you consistently get it in with the odds in your favor you will overcome in the long term ( in theory lol)

If there is a way to beat luck please let me know! :-) I recently joined BetOnline and have probably played in 50 tournaments. There are so many bad beats on the river on that site it is unbelievable. How I can get my chips in ahead every time and lose 90% of the time is beyond belief. Has anyone else had any positive or negative experiences with BetOnline? I am very suspect of this site after my experience. I will be hesitant to reload the odds are just too great to justify all the bad beats. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

BOL is legit

Same beats happen live
I get bad beats all the time live and online, variance is real and it sucks

Why is this necessary? The zest of the game will disappear. It will turn into a lesson in mathematics.

against these players playing after a certain strategy, to very good and careful books

Good bets

the player can go Allin with every hand, don't keep somebody else's raise with a good hand you raise and the opponent begins to push EV fold

play with a card that can not be defeated

If you want it or not, luck will allways be a factor when playing poker. It is something you just have to accept. By improving your game you can minimize the damage taken by bad luck

The luck factor. This is what the influence on the result in poker is called. It all depends on how much you play. In one hand, luck is of great importance, but if you play a million hands, its impact on your winrate will be miserable. In addition, the importance of luck depends on the type of poker you play, your style of play, the advantages over your opponents and a number of other factors. If someone calls you a certain percentage (for example, he says that everything depends on luck in poker by 70%), safely send him away, because this person has no idea what he is talking about.

You can´t reduce the luck element. You just have to play with probability. You might know how likely your hand will win and analyze your opponent.

with volume. the more you play the less luck involved. you need tilt and brm control to rid off luvk

5 years I can t find any tormula!

Pokezr is a game based on chance; so if they go all-inn all the time, they lose more then they win; but yeah it's not that great playing those guys. But I only call if I'm in a good position, and with desent (or even good) hands.

Originally Posted by amitmanchanda

In MTT online tournaments, lot of time you are playing with players who have no idea of pot odds or any other theory, they just bet all in and get lucky at times. How do you play against these players?

Two days ago I had AA all-in pre-flop (i 4bet, they went all-in for which I was happy) against 86s first and later against 86o. In both cases, I lost (once to flush, once to straight). Same day I also had KK all-in pre-flop against 23s and was beat by two-pair. Luck, ugh. HOWEVER - that was one day, ONE DAY. Variance happens. IT IS REAL.

In answer to your question "how do you play against these players?"

1. Play solid poker. Think long-term - don't let the results of <this game> tilt you, variance happens.
2. Do NOT impose your thinking on the other players - just because you would fold 86o out of position doesn't mean they will. FOLD when you know you are beat - don't call to "find out"

Remember... you are not any more unlucky than anyone else! Cheers.

Sooner or later, skills overwhelms luck.

You must play the best possible poker, maybe this type of players have luck in on hand, but in the long run the best player will have better results.

I wait for AA, KK, or as close to that as possible to counter these all in preflop guys. There are other things too that can happen that will get you away from the preflop maniac such as table changes or other players calling them and knocking them out.

just try to make your game and apply all you know

Decreasing the variance, avoiding dubious spots

i think the best way is somehow to survive those all in fools i know its sometimes hard with Main hand at start but the weaired thing is they will own u pocket pair at the end the all in option is only if u in late stage of the tournament and u got really not many BB.(or u just feel the right moment to bluff) ;].

To restart the discussion, has any seen final table of WSOP online $10000 buy in, all in hand of pocket 10 vs pocket 9?

Suraj with pocket played it perfectly and had 4 to 1 advantage. Still he end up loosing To a set and finishing at 7 place instead of easily winning the tournament.

This kind of luck what I wanted to discuss especially in crucial time.

I remember loosing back to back hands with pocket Kings in a WSOP $280 buy in tournament in 2018 when only 17 players were remaining out of 210. One hand pre flop all in then loosing to a set on river and other to Big blind calling my 3 bet, flopping ace on flop but I got nut flush draw, so I called but to no avail.

Put me in tilt for next few weeks.

For me it's looking at what each player is doing and try to maximise the chance of winning each one instead of trying to win with random cards

I understand that if a person asks such questions, then it is better for him not to play poker for money)) Since the risks are large enough, and you do not understand the banal (

Luck is always a part of poker and over the long run it benefits us as much as it hurts us. As poker players were working to get ourselves into the best positions we have.

If we know ranges and pot odds and how likely are hands are to improve, those all reduce uncertainty, and while that's not the same as luck, it improves are chances of winning a hand.

And it totally sucks getting sucked out on.

gday all...it seems online has more bad luck[cooler ] hands than actual..but there is tons more volume...just play your best and hope to reduce luck

You just take the good with the bad but then again is it better to be lucky than good.

In MTT tournaments luck is high because of the number of players and the constant all-in action. Luck will always be there in these tournaments, so it's hard to avoid that. You have to follow a strategy regardless of luck because in the long run you will be better off.