QQ on the button

Black_Fox

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EDIT: Just realised i'd misread the initial post.

My bad.

With only 1500 chips, i would have probably called here. Just my own instinct though.

It is a tough one however.

BF
 
shinedown.45

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I feel I made the right decision here, but would like some feedback because the outcome of the board made me sick.

PokerStars Game #10760332461: Tournament #54104841, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/07/04 - 04:08:54 (ET)
Table '54104841 75' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: TiltAgree? (1880 in chips)
Seat 2: MontyBurns18 (1530 in chips)
Seat 3: WILL_WELL (2970 in chips)
Seat 4: xxxx35 (4410 in chips)
Seat 5: 1OldGrunt! (1430 in chips)
Seat 6: Orion469 (1470 in chips)
Seat 7: wzoom2 (1290 in chips)
Seat 8: Scalne (1410 in chips)
Seat 9: PokerBlakeB (1470 in chips)
WILL_WELL: posts small blind 10
xxxx35: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [Qc Qd]
1OldGrunt!: calls 20
Orion469: raises 60 to 80
wzoom2: folds
Scalne: calls 80
PokerBlakeB: folds
TiltAgree?: folds
MontyBurns18: folds
WILL_WELL: folds
xxxx35: calls 60
1OldGrunt!: raises 60 to 140
Orion469: calls 60
Scalne: calls 60
xxxx35: raises 4270 to 4410 and is all-in
1OldGrunt!: calls 1290 and is all-in
Orion469: folds
Scalne: folds
*** FLOP *** [7d 7c Kd]
*** TURN *** [7d 7c Kd] Q♥
*** RIVER *** [7d 7c Kd Qh] 4♦
*** SHOW DOWN ***
xxxx35: shows [Kh Ks] (a three of a kind - Kings)
1OldGrunt!: shows [9h Th] (a pair of Sevens - lower kicker)
xxxx35 collected 3150 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3150 | Rake 0
Board [7d 7c Jd Qh 4d]
Seat 1: TiltAgree? folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: MontyBurns18 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: WILL_WELL (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: xxxx35 (big blind) showed [Kh Ks] and won (3150) with a three of a kind - Kings
Seat 5: 1OldGrunt! showed [9h Th] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 6: Orion469 folded before Flop
Seat 7: wzoom2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Scalne folded before Flop
Seat 9: PokerBlakeB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Look at the HH again and give me your feedback
 
titans4ever

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This is what I have seen on the thread so far as far as reasons. I am trying to look at all the different ideas. Did I miss any? Trying to understand the different perspectives, not that any are wrong or right. Just hoping to condense some ideas.

Tournament Thoeries early on:

-You never win a tournament on the first two level, just lose them. This makes this an instant fold. You may triple up but you will also bust around 50% of the time. You know if you play your normal game you will have a decent shot at making it into the money so why risk a coin flip or 60/40 for all your money so early on. gambling early is never good. Let your skills pay the bills.

-Double up early or go home. You want to get the big stack early or don't waste 2-4 hours grinding it just into the money. Time investment issues. Big stacks early don't mean nearly as much since when you steal you are not really stealing much from the blinds (Power of the big stack). You can triple up here, sit back until blinds go up and now start stealing. You can be alot more selective in your hands and wait for the blinds to catch up and punish the short stacks.

-You have a top 10 hand why not call? This is looking at just the cards and odds. You have the right odds to make this call. You are getting 2:1 on your money and seriously doubt either has an overpair so the odds are right to call. This in a cash game is an instant call. Tournament play you are not short stacked, is it worth the risk with the blind level, stack sizes, how many left, etc. This is where the difference between cash and tournament play comes in.

My opinion is more in the first. I buy into a tournament I have scheduled the amount of time to finish it. I think my skill level can get me into the money as long as I don't make a huge mistake. I will fold this situation every time to let my skill over the long term make the difference vs a quick gamble.
 
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