JJ vs odd 3-way action in MTT

[ChuckTs]

I've been playing very tight, and the most recent hand I played was a multiway pot where I limped from the SB and got stacked with set over set. That was about 2 orbits ago.

pokerstars GAME #8195057431: TOURNAMENT #41786209, $20+$2 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IV (50/100) - 2007/01/30 - 11:30:45 (ET)
Table '41786209 8' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: logonguys (3115 in chips)
Seat 2: piperoller (2150 in chips) [30.5/17/1]
Seat 3: PAULIPP (1200 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: chris51783 (2595 in chips)
Seat 5: txinto (1595 in chips)
Seat 6: nicol2142 (2565 in chips)
Seat 7: ChuckTs (4355 in chips)
Seat 8: RockShock (5860 in chips) [29/18/2]
Seat 9: damonkphish (2185 in chips)
logonguys: posts small blind 50
piperoller: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [Jc Jd]
PAULIPP: folds
chris51783: folds
txinto: folds
nicol2142: folds
ChuckTs: raises 200 to 300
RockShock: calls 300
damonkphish: folds
logonguys: folds
piperoller: raises 200 to 500
ChuckTs: raises 1700 to 2200
RockShock: raises 3660 to 5860 and is all-in Whaaaaaat??
piperoller: calls 1650 and is all-in
ChuckTs:.........

Now piperoller's raise is a little scary to me, but it could very well be AT+ or a smaller pair. Then again it could be AA or KK...

What really gets me, though is RockShock's smooth-call preflop, then push to my reraise. I repopped piperoller's raise to isolate my hand in hopes to get it HU, but RockShock's reraise was really odd. I was pretty sure of what hands make this play; just want to know what you guys think of it.

 

[mrsnake3695]

I think you gotta give it up, you may be ahead but against 2 others the chances of jacks holding isn't very good. Your best case would be the both have under pairs or they both have AK. But that's not likely. There is a good chance they either have 3 overcsards or one has a bigger pocket pair than you.

 

[Dingodaddy23]

seems like a pair smaller than JJ. you're probably behind rockshock or at best racing with his AK but I think you can call here. still a nasty spot though. I don't think many 29/18/2's smooth call QQ + to one raise preflop

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

We're calling 2k into an effective pot of round about 6k. Getting 3-1 I can't fold this.

Generally, the pf minreraise and the call-shove mean either donks who are (a) very strong, or (b) have something marginal. I would actually be pretty surprised if either showed something like AK here, as that sort of hand lies between the two. The fact we're getting 3-1 coupled with the fact that we can put a lot of weaker hands in our opponent's ranges here because the play is so bizarre means we have to call and expect both players to show AA-22 or ~QJs. Of course, whatever villains have their play is absolutely horrible, heh.

When you made that raise to 2.2k you were in essence commiting your stack, for better or for worse.

 

[joosebuck]

you cant fold half your stack with a hand like this. if he trapped you with aa/kk then so be it, but you tend to see that type of play from small pairs too.. so i dont think throwing it away is an option

 

[zebranky]

wrong one to worry about

I wouldn't worry about rockshock - his betting pattern screams "low/mid pair" to me. He flat calls a small raise (wants to see flop for set value), then shoves against a large raise (wants to isolate against AK/AQ). It's a very typical play, and a small PP is the most likely explanation for his hand.

Piperoller worries me. He could easily have AA/KK/QQ, and at a minimum I think you're coin-flipping with him.

You still have to call - it's 3:1 odds with 1/2 your chips already in there - push and pray, dude.

 

[ChuckTs]

My hand range for him was ~44-99.
As zebranky said, it reeeally smells like a small/medium pair. Not much to add to his post.

As for the BB's reraise, it could have been near anything. I think Chris summed it up pretty well - it either means great strength (AA-QQ, AK) or something very marginal (in this case, KQ). I decided that I was well ahead of rockshock, and pushed the rest of my chips in in hopes of winning a big side pot, and hopefully the main pot aswell:



POKERSTARS GAME #8195057431: TOURNAMENT #41786209, $20+$2 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IV (50/100) - 2007/01/30 - 11:30:45 (ET)
Table '41786209 8' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: logonguys (3115 in chips)
Seat 2: piperoller (2150 in chips)
Seat 3: PAULIPP (1200 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: chris51783 (2595 in chips)
Seat 5: txinto (1595 in chips)
Seat 6: nicol2142 (2565 in chips)
Seat 7: ChuckTs (4355 in chips)
Seat 8: RockShock (5860 in chips)
Seat 9: damonkphish (2185 in chips)
logonguys: posts small blind 50
piperoller: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [Jc Jd]
PAULIPP: folds
chris51783: folds
txinto: folds
nicol2142: folds
ChuckTs: raises 200 to 300
RockShock: calls 300
damonkphish: folds
logonguys: folds
piperoller: raises 200 to 500
ChuckTs: raises 1700 to 2200
RockShock: raises 3660 to 5860 and is all-in
piperoller: calls 1650 and is all-in
ChuckTs: calls 2155 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [4h 9s Th]
*** TURN *** [4h 9s Th] 2♣
*** RIVER *** [4h 9s Th 2c] 3♣
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ChuckTs: shows [Jc Jd] (a pair of Jacks)
RockShock: shows [6d 6s] (a pair of Sixes)
ChuckTs collected 4410 from side pot
piperoller: shows [Kd Qd] (high card King)
ChuckTs collected 6500 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10910 Main pot 6500. Side pot 4410. | Rake 0
Board [4h 9s Th 2c 3c]
Seat 1: logonguys (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: piperoller (big blind) showed [Kd Qd] and lost with high card King
Seat 3: PAULIPP folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: chris51783 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: txinto folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: nicol2142 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ChuckTs showed [Jc Jd] and won (10910) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 8: RockShock showed [6d 6s] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 9: damonkphish (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)