Gambling and dead money.

[bubbasbestbabe]

Late stages of tourney. Everyone is positioning for the final table. Table is tightening up. What would you have done and why?

full tilt poker Game #2733749091: 2,000 Play Money Sit & Go (20835193), Table 7 - 500/1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:19:03 ET - 2007/06/21
mamere has reconnected
Seat 1: fishinsool (21,630)
Seat 2: nyxwulf (20,520)
Seat 3: mamere (6,460)
Seat 4: EroticAnn (9,920)
Seat 8: bubbasbestbabe (7,040)
Seat 9: brennangq (40)
nyxwulf posts the small blind of 500
mamere posts the big blind of 1,000
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bubbasbestbabe [Ah 2s]
EroticAnn folds
bubbasbestbabe calls 1,000
brennangq calls 40, and is all in
fishinsool folds
nyxwulf folds
mamere has been disconnected
mamere has 15 seconds left to act
mamere checks
*** FLOP *** [Th 3s Ts]

 

[tenbob]

I shove pre-flop 99% of the time here. With 7big blinds left i dont think calling is an option pre-flop. As played I have to shove the flop, its likely that your still ahead.

 

[ChuckTs]

What Liam said; we have to be in shove/fold mode now, and with the conditions (you being shortstacked, table being tight, your position etc), you have to push. Postflop we can stick our stack in as we're most likely ahead and it's pretty unlikely someone's hit this flop.

 

[bubbasbestbabe]

Sorry, should have said i wasn't short stack overall in tourney. I was sitting about 6th out of 14.
Would you push here knowing my position?

 

[ChuckTs]

Yep. As Harrington says, M should come before Q. That is, your position at your table factors in first before your position in the tourney.

Unless we're on the bubble of a satellite here, and the other table has some shortstacks who have a very good chance of blinding out and busting before you do, we have to shove this IMO.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

Sorry, should have said i wasn't short stack overall in tourney. I was sitting about 6th out of 14.
Would you push here knowing my position?

Your stack relative to the blinds is far more important than your chip position.

With 7BBs you simply cannot risk throwing away 1/7 of your stack by limping in EP with A2. You shove here because (a) it gives you fold equity, and (b) it may make stronger hands than yours such as other Ax hands and low pairs fold, whereas the same hands are more likely to raise/shove over your limp.

Basically the vast majority of the time you will either (a) get raised/shoved over preflop and have to fold, or (b) see a flop that you're going to miss completely where any reasonable-sized bet is dangerously close to pot-committing you.

I'd rather fold than limp here, but as Liam said it's a definite shove unless we have some very far-fetched reason not to do so.

 

[bubbasbestbabe]

I understand what you are saying. But I look at it as making it to the final table overall rather than just the table itself. This has to play in your calculations somehow otherwise you guys don't make many final tables. The table was tight. I took a chance to see the flop cheap. I have the big blind only after me on the flop. I am looking to get what chips i can and still stay in the game. It was a calculated risk on my part. If it worked i would push the BB off and get the dead money. If it failed I would have still had chips enough to still be in the game. And i am not looking at results orientated. You must know that the odds for hitting the flop like that are up there. But at this stage of the game you aren't going to get many people who are going to challenge you. I didn't have the winning hand but it didn't matter.

Full Tilt poker game #2733749091: 2,000 Play Money Sit & Go (20835193), Table 7 - 500/1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:19:03 ET - 2007/06/21
mamere has reconnected
Seat 1: fishinsool (21,630)
Seat 2: nyxwulf (20,520)
Seat 3: mamere (6,460)
Seat 4: EroticAnn (9,920)
Seat 8: bubbasbestbabe (7,040)
Seat 9: brennangq (40)
nyxwulf posts the small blind of 500
mamere posts the big blind of 1,000
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bubbasbestbabe [Ah 2s]
EroticAnn folds
bubbasbestbabe calls 1,000
brennangq calls 40, and is all in
fishinsool folds
nyxwulf folds
mamere has been disconnected
mamere has 15 seconds left to act
mamere checks
*** FLOP *** [Th 3s Ts]
mamere has 15 seconds left to act
mamere has 4 seconds to reconnect
mamere has timed out
mamere checks
mamere is sitting out
bubbasbestbabe bets 2,000
mamere folds
bubbasbestbabe shows [Ah 2s]
brennangq shows [9c Ad]
Uncalled bet of 2,000 returned to bubbasbestbabe
*** TURN *** [Th 3s Ts] K♠
*** RIVER *** [Th 3s Ts Ks] Q♥
bubbasbestbabe wins the side pot (2,380)
bubbasbestbabe shows a pair of Tens
brennangq shows a pair of Tens
bubbasbestbabe ties for the main pot (80) with a pair of Tens
brennangq ties for the main pot (80) with a pair of Tens
The blinds are now 600/1,200
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,540 Main pot 160. Side pot 2,380. | Rake 0
Board: [Th 3s Ts Ks Qh]
Seat 1: fishinsool (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: nyxwulf (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: mamere (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: EroticAnn didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: bubbasbestbabe showed [Ah 2s] and won (2,460) with a pair of Tens
Seat 9: brennangq showed [9c Ad] and won (80) with a pair of Tens