Fold or push

[arahel_jazz]

Donk-fest, I know. But an interesting read.
As you can see, it's real early in the donkfest. No real reads on players involved.

full tilt poker Game #4135934163: .COM Poker After Dark Rd 1 (31411767), Table 2 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:21:41 ET - 2007/11/10
Seat 1: VinnyTheStick (1,470)
Seat 2: nask (1,470)
Seat 4: smoke-ace (1,500)
Seat 5: just_playing007 (1,380)
Seat 6: livetofish70 (1,500)
Seat 7: LasVegan1 (1,500)
Seat 8: Shrout (1,470)
Seat 9: arahel_jazz (1,740)
nask posts the small blind of 15
smoke-ace posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to arahel_jazz [Kc Th]
just_playing007 calls 30
livetofish70 folds
LasVegan1 folds
Shrout calls 30
arahel_jazz calls 30
VinnyTheStick folds
nask has 15 seconds left to act
WLF44 sits down
WLF44 adds 1,335
nask raises to 60
smoke-ace calls 30
just_playing007 calls 30
Shrout calls 30
arahel_jazz calls 30
*** FLOP *** [6c 6s Kh]
nask bets 300
smoke-ace raises to 1,440, and is all in
just_playing007 folds
Shrout folds
arahel_jazz has 15 seconds left to act
arahel_jazz ...

What would you do? Fold, or push?

 

[ryaned]

tough...my wife and and I disagree
she say fold mainy because its to early to risk your tournament life
I say call because only AA KK x6 0r Higher kicker have you beat
so what happened?

 

[ChuckTs]

Very easy fold. Fold preflop, actually (to stay out of sticky situations like this).

You'll often be up against KJ+, AA or a 6. Sure, you might be up against two maniacs going at it with 99 and TT, but it's unlikely.

 

[SeanyJ]

I'm folding, too early in the tournament to risk your entire stack with this hand. Let these two guys go at it and wait for a bigger hand.

 

[pigpen02]

Poker After Dark Rd 1

Push.

 

[vanquish]

-cEV
fold

 

[AZE]

Don't even get involved in the pot to start... but after that, fold. Most likely up against a 6, or a better king. And what are the pot odds offering you?

 

[jaketrevvor]

Poker After Dark Rd 1

Push.

lol totally agree - everyone's always allin in the first two hands of this, you're probs up against A4o

 

[Kenzie 96]

fold pre-flop, fold to allin.

 

[arahel_jazz]

tough...my wife and and I disagree
she say fold mainy because its to early to risk your tournament life
I say call because only AA KK x6 0r Higher kicker have you beat
so what happened?

You should listen to your wife more often...
I folded.

Dealt to arahel_jazz [Kc Th]
just_playing007 calls 30
livetofish70 folds
LasVegan1 folds
Shrout calls 30
arahel_jazz calls 30
VinnyTheStick folds
nask has 15 seconds left to act
WLF44 sits down
WLF44 adds 1,335
nask raises to 60
smoke-ace calls 30
just_playing007 calls 30
Shrout calls 30
arahel_jazz calls 30
*** FLOP *** [6c 6s Kh]
nask bets 300
smoke-ace raises to 1,440, and is all in
just_playing007 folds
Shrout folds
arahel_jazz has 15 seconds left to act
arahel_jazz folds
nask calls 1,110, and is all in
smoke-ace shows [6h 2s]
nask shows [Jd Ks]
Uncalled bet of 30 returned to smoke-ace
*** TURN *** [6c 6s Kh] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [6c 6s Kh 8c] [7d]
smoke-ace shows three of a kind, Sixes
nask shows two pair, Kings and Sixes
smoke-ace wins the pot (3,120) with three of a kind, Sixes
nask stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,120 | Rake 0
Board: [6c 6s Kh 8c 7d]
Seat 1: VinnyTheStick (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: nask (small blind) showed [Jd Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sixes
Seat 4: smoke-ace (big blind) showed [6h 2s] and won (3,120) with three of a kind, Sixes

 

[OzExorcist]

Poker After Dark Rd 1

Push.

Despite having seen the result, I still agreewith Pigpen. People are pushing with all sorts of rubbish here in these games, and you can't have invested more than... what, five minutes? There'll be another one startings soon enough and if you double up, you'll likely go deep.

(Note: I'm talking specifically about these tournaments - any other game, especially one involving real money, and the play would be different)

 

[Cheetah]

You say this is a donkament. No! This is a SUPER-DONKAMENT.
So I agree with pigpen and others.

Regardless of the posted result, donks will push with 6, ANY K, and overpairs. Your K beats most other kickers, so I would call. You are at worst 50/50 to have the best hand. And if you lose, you still win because you don't waste your time.

If you had K4, then you can only beat 2 hands and folding is probably best(unless another super-donkament is starting).

 

[OzExorcist]

If you had K4, then you can only beat 2 hands and folding is probably best(unless another super-donkament is starting).

There's always another super-donkament starting

 

[arahel_jazz]

You say this is a donkament. No! This is a SUPER-DONKAMENT.
So I agree with pigpen and others.

Regardless of the posted result, donks will push with 6, ANY K, and overpairs. Your K beats most other kickers, so I would call. You are at worst 50/50 to have the best hand. And if you lose, you still win because you don't waste your time.

If you had K4, then you can only beat 2 hands and folding is probably best(unless another super-donkament is starting).

Super donkaments are my form of playing solitare to kill time and relax.

True there's another one in six minutes, but whybe a super-idiot-glactic-donk-out when you don't have to?

I saw it coming. SB min-raised pre-flop (useless bet), and then post-flop SB raised and UTG pushed. I knew there was a 90% chance of one of the two of them holding AK, KQ, or KJ. The push by UTG screamed trips. I knew my K 10 was dominated. It was fun confirming my read.

 

[dj11]

Later in the contest, I wouldn't mind the limp in, but this early, it is a fold preflop situation.

 

[Cheetah]

Super donkaments are my form of playing solitare to kill time and relax.

I wasn't making judgement on your poker game selection but merely pointing out the conditions for this hand. Afterall, in a "normal" tournament, no one would even overbet that much, so this situation would not even occur.

True there's another one in six minutes, but whybe a super-idiot-glactic-donk-out when you don't have to?

I agree that making super-donk moves is not necessary. But playing a normal tight game will not work either since you will be forced to gamble later with much smaller stack and the math is against you.

In essence, in these tournaments your skill advantage is miniscule.

 

[dresturn2]

In those tourneys it is best to fold those preflop because the have little value unless the flop two pair or a str8 against so many, that is just as worthless as 97o