Poker software = cheating?

[abgvedr]

Im not using any software to show player stats, and i think its somwhat cheating.

I have a job and i simply don't have enough time to sit there and investigate that data for half of day, and use all those tools and trackers, you know, cause i have a job.
So basically people who decided to not have job and have ton of free time to use some tools and stuff, and they are rewarded for that by having all the stats in their hands.
And thats very unfair at my opinion.
And now, even if i had some free time, i would still not use those tools. Its like killing the game and i just dont see no fun in this. Poker must be fun. Everything must be fun.

 

[abgvedr]

And yeah, im really glad that many sites ban trackers. On iPoker you can also change your nickname as many times as you want. And that all is great.
Of course i dont mean tools like odds calculator, just meant poker trackers that shows players stats

 

[hellboy3000]

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i dont think so

 

[perrypip]

If its allowed and others are using it against you you're cheating your self if you don't use it your self.

 

[abgvedr]

If its allowed and others are using it against you you're cheating your self if you don't use it your self.

According to worldpokerdeals.com there are plenty of sites not alowing using HUD, including GG partypoker Coral and many others

 

[abgvedr]

Thing is, that its doing for you what you should be doing by yourself with hard work. And just because you decided to become a pro player. While others who have jobs sith there and do that work themselfes, those pro players sitting doing nothing. Just because they are professionals.

 

[speeditall]

I will agree that it is ruining the fun in some cases but is it a push to describe it as cheating as most workers like engineers, doctors or any other profession will know more about their fields than other people so the question remains whether you consider poker as a profession or a game

 

[najisami]

Well you said it yourself, you have a job. That doesn't leave you with much free time and makes you a recreational player, nothing wrong with that.
As to cheating when using HUDs, it's not up to you or myself to judge. The poker sites have high level software specialists, intelligent and smart enough to decide if a program can be considered a cheating tool or not. That's why some of these tools are allowed and some are banned. Like everyone else, you have the right to use whatever lawful edge you can get, but you cannot deny that same right to others. GL man..

 

[Kenzie 96]

Im not using any software to show player stats, and i think its somwhat cheating.

I have a job and i simply don't have enough time to sit there and investigate that data for half of day, and use all those tools and trackers, you know, cause i have a job.
So basically people who decided to not have job and have ton of free time to use some tools and stuff, and they are rewarded for that by having all the stats in their hands.
And thats very unfair at my opinion.
And now, even if i had some free time, i would still not use those tools. Its like killing the game and i just dont see no fun in this. Poker must be fun. Everything must be fun.

Well, when you become king of the world, feel free to inflict your views on the rest of us.
By the way, right now folks have the option to use or not use these tools, how is that unfair?

 

[abgvedr]

Well, when you become king of the world, feel free to inflict your views on the rest of us.
By the way, right now folks have the option to use or not use these tools, how is that unfair?

Topic is not about having pro players is unfair to the rest. Its about having software is unfair to the whole game. Its like having aimbot in counter strike. But to use it you must marry the game and study the krap out of it.

 

[abgvedr]

Well you said it yourself, you have a job. That doesn't leave you with much free time and makes you a recreational player, nothing wrong with that.
As to cheating when using HUDs, it's not up to you or myself to judge. The poker sites have high level software specialists, intelligent and smart enough to decide if a program can be considered a cheating tool or not. That's why some of these tools are allowed and some are banned. Like everyone else, you have the right to use whatever lawful edge you can get, but you cannot deny that same right to others. GL man..

Well its not up to me or to you, but up for us as a society to decite what is good or what is bad. And ita not the particular software that is banned, its the particular poker rooms that decided to ban the soft altogether.

 

[abgvedr]

Also, having job outside of poker doesn't make me a recreational player. Recreational player play to have some action. Not recreational player play to win. Has nothing to even do with money. You are either a hunter or a prey.

Well you said it yourself, you have a job. That doesn't leave you with much free time and makes you a recreational player, nothing wrong with that.
As to cheating when using HUDs, it's not up to you or myself to judge. The poker sites have high level software specialists, intelligent and smart enough to decide if a program can be considered a cheating tool or not. That's why some of these tools are allowed and some are banned. Like everyone else, you have the right to use whatever lawful edge you can get, but you cannot deny that same right to others. GL man..

 

[najisami]

Also, having job outside of poker doesn't make me a recreational player. Recreational player play to have some action. Not recreational player play to win. Has nothing to even do with money. You are either a hunter or a prey.

Well, if you want to be a hunter, get the necessary equipment. Jut make sure it's legal.

 

[SharkFinn]

I don't use HUDs either, but I don't think they're unfair in any way. I agree that they fundamentally change the game of online poker, but they don't necessarily make it worse, just different. Some people enjoy playing poker the "natural" way, getting reads through watching their opponents closely for timing tells, sizing tells etc. But other people prefer to get reads through analysing data on hundreds of previous hands. It's not that one is right and one is wrong, they're just different, and different people will prefer different ways of playing.

Since there are poker rooms that don't allow HUDs, if you don't want to play against them you don't have to, so I don't see any problem with them.

 

[liviuplayspoker]

In my opinion are HUDs not unfair and its not cheating for me, i use them myself and if you dont want to use them its okay, nobody says you have to, but dont say and judge people, because they can/have something that you dont can/have/want. You can easily make also money with experience, how do the Live players do it?
Gl and keep/go crushing!...

 

[KozakAlex]

I agree. I don't use programs. I play as is on the basis of a poker client thanks to intuition. I don't see the point in any additions.

 

[Kompany]

The use of HUDs has become commonplace to the point that poker rooms now provide their own - surely that cannot be construed as cheating.

 

[deputat777]

Im not using any software to show player stats, and i think its somwhat cheating.

I have a job and i simply don't have enough time to sit there and investigate that data for half of day, and use all those tools and trackers, you know, cause i have a job.
So basically people who decided to not have job and have ton of free time to use some tools and stuff, and they are rewarded for that by having all the stats in their hands.
And thats very unfair at my opinion.
And now, even if i had some free time, i would still not use those tools. Its like killing the game and i just dont see no fun in this. Poker must be fun. Everything must be fun.

I always play without auxiliary programs, which is what I recommend to everyone.

 

[TUGIN777]

I don't understand how to use HUD at all. I've never used it. And I rarely explore the style of play of other players. But I don't think the HUD is a hoax. Of course, those players who use poker software have some advantage. If you know how to use it, why not do it. On some sites, HUD is banned and I'm a little happy about it because I don't use poker software.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Thing is, that its doing for you what you should be doing by yourself with hard work. And just because you decided to become a pro player. While others who have jobs sith there and do that work themselfes, those pro players sitting doing nothing. Just because they are professionals.

This guy REALLY knows what he's talking about!

 

[John A]

This guy REALLY knows what he's talking about!

My personal favorite kind of people are the ones that have really strong opinions about things they don't even understand. You gotta love em... they spike the punch in the party of life.

 

[Erickaie]

i personally hate using huds, its destroy my game and changes how i make decisions, i get to FT more often when i dont use any huds. So i only tried it for a short time and gave up on it.

 

[abgvedr]

This guy REALLY knows what he's talking about!

Well. Maybe you could be a little bit more specific?

 

[abgvedr]

My personal favorite kind of people are the ones that have really strong opinions about things they don't even understand. You gotta love em... they spike the punch in the party of life.

And my personal favourite kind of people are the ones that cannot explain their point, most often cause they don't even have one. They just feel offended, and they go defensive right away.
Sir. Maybe you can be a litle bit more specific on your point?
After all, isn't it why we all gather here? Maybe i do not understand whats going on and i create this thread so people clear up things for me.
But really at this point its way more likely that its you kind sir who don't understand these things. Simply cause you did not even tell a thing about those things.
So please, sir, talk about the subject.

 

[abgvedr]

This guy REALLY knows what he's talking about!

Maybe i do not.
But untill you express your point and show me what is wrong, it is you kind sir who do not know what i am talking about.