heard carbon pvt games gone feb 1st?

[sylpoker1]

This was sort of confusing to read, but i think its pretty clear that carbon means just the league games, and not private forum freerolls or b uy ins.With all the lowered guarenteeds on carbon now,its a bit harder there , and without P2P transfers also.Seems as if they are getting rid of many things there now.Good thing there are still a few other places to play,but all sites have their drawbacks and none are perfect.

 

[Poof]

This is a relief and has stirred up a bunch of rumors everywhere for those who do not know the diff between a private league game and a freeroll, thanks for clearing it up Deb.

 

[IWinUlose]

I'm done with this topic as honestly I was just passing along what I heard. So you won't be effected wondeful. I'll leave it like this come 2/1/13 I guess we'll all know who is affected until then happy trails my friends. I didn't make this post to argue or debate as it's not worth it I was just trying to pass info on I found out I have more important things in my life to worry about and this isn't one.

 

[WVHillbilly]

I don't know how to take your posts on this topic. Are you offended that we're not going to be affected?

 

[Debi]

Sounds like he is - doesn't make sense to me.

Nobody got upset with you sharing what you heard CH - it was just your inability to accept the responses.

 

[dmorris68]

Yeah, I'm confused too. You posted that private league games were going to be dropped. You got a response (more than one) that CC didn't play league games at Carbon and that our games would in fact continue. Then you seemed to take offense for some reason.

 

[Debi]

Only thing I can think of is - he has an affiliate account of his own and was dumped by Carbon - or he is a mod or has a favorite forum who was dumped - and is upset that we weren't dumped too.

 

[moots]

More likely that he thought he was giving everyone some insider news and that people were doubting him/his information. When in fact, he was just confused about private league games and private forum tourneys (seems like he probably still is).

 

[IntenseHeat]

I wish I could make a helpful comment. However, I can't get past this mental image of all of us sitting in a bar. There is a misunderstanding between a couple of people. One says one thing. The other offers an explanation that makes sense to most. But the one person doesn't get it. The misunderstanding turns into a disagreement. One or the other of the two, maybe both, lose patience with repeating the same thing. As tones become more combative, the disagreement turns into an argument, which eventually leads to a fight. Now I'd get to see some real nonsense pop off, all because sense just doesn't make sense to some.

 

[IWinUlose]

Carbon Poker

I can handle your responses and never said I was always right I was just trying to help my moderator out at Igottatalpoker that's all with the information he had. Now I hear what y'all had to say and I'll have nothing else to say. Honsetly people that really know me know I'm an easy going guy and now enough is enough you win I lose but not from trying to post and be a nice person. Adios

 

[Jack_Benny]

As the source of this information, I thought it might be best if I came by with a final "resolution", as it were. Here is the latest, effective yesterday:

It's important to understand that Carbon is not distinguishing between forum, league, or any sort of private game with this policy, there's nothing in the "fine print" separating them. This is about refocusing their player base.

FIRST, the cuts will not be sweeping and across the board cuts (whether or not this is a change of heart on Carbon's part after the last day of forum chatter across the 'net, I can't say, but he made a point of mentioning to me just how loud all the affiliates and players across many forums were getting on this issue) but they will be severe, both starting in February and in the future. They are very adamant about affiliates focusing on their other promotions, such as Maximus, instead of having so many private games detracting from them.

For the record, I believe private games only help the exposure and play in those events, but that is Carbon's stance, and their prerogative.

SECOND, everything will run as normal through the end of January for all affiliates' private forum and league games. Some will experience drastic cuts on the 1st, some smaller cuts, and some can be expecting cuts down the road. It's happening; they're restructuring their company goals, and that's their direction.


As a forum with a HEAVY schedule in the Carbon client, mine will be one of those most effected by the new policy. Fortunately, word of this leaking caused quite a rumble throughout the online poker world, and it seems the uproar has given them reason to revise it enough so that not ALL games will be affected. We will be dropping from 12 to 2 games per week, which, while drastic, is NOT the end of the world. I suspect other forums as affected will have similar experiences. That said, things don't look so bleak.

And for the record, I DON'T think Carbon Poker is disappearing anytime soon. Sure, they're making quite a few changes lately, but they are designed to strengthen their business model, and hopefully it works. More strong poker rooms are what we need, not less. Of course, we all fear change, and doomsayers await every opportunity to jump on each one, but if we remain level, we'll see it ain't so bad, after all...

Cheers, and good luck on the felt!

 

[woohoo sue]

Good, let the games begin.

or at least continue.......there are no problems when we have Dakota on it...only solutions.

 

[kidkvno1]

As the source of this information, I thought it might be best if I came by with a final "resolution", as it were. Here is the latest, effective yesterday:

It's important to understand that Carbon is not distinguishing between forum, league, or any sort of private game with this policy, there's nothing in the "fine print" separating them. This is about refocusing their player base.

FIRST, the cuts will not be sweeping and across the board cuts (whether or not this is a change of heart on Carbon's part after the last day of forum chatter across the 'net, I can't say, but he made a point of mentioning to me just how loud all the affiliates and players across many forums were getting on this issue) but they will be severe, both starting in February and in the future. They are very adamant about affiliates focusing on their other promotions, such as Maximus, instead of having so many private games detracting from them.

For the record, I believe private games only help the exposure and play in those events, but that is Carbon's stance, and their prerogative.

SECOND, everything will run as normal through the end of January for all affiliates' private forum and league games. Some will experience drastic cuts on the 1st, some smaller cuts, and some can be expecting cuts down the road. It's happening; they're restructuring their company goals, and that's their direction.


As a forum with a HEAVY schedule in the Carbon client, mine will be one of those most effected by the new policy. Fortunately, word of this leaking caused quite a rumble throughout the online poker world, and it seems the uproar has given them reason to revise it enough so that not ALL games will be affected. We will be dropping from 12 to 2 games per week, which, while drastic, is NOT the end of the world. I suspect other forums as affected will have similar experiences. That said, things don't look so bleak.

And for the record, I DON'T think Carbon Poker is disappearing anytime soon. Sure, they're making quite a few changes lately, but they are designed to strengthen their business model, and hopefully it works. More strong poker rooms are what we need, not less. Of course, we all fear change, and doomsayers await every opportunity to jump on each one, but if we remain level, we'll see it ain't so bad, after all...

Cheers, and good luck on the felt!

The games you've got set up are league games, Carbon does not like the low buy-in levels like that, they are not getting much rake off of them, Also it could be the low turnout in league games, which also hurts them in Rake. Lets looks at the cost, with the time it takes for them to set up the games and the power it cost's to run the severs, that small amount of rake is not going to cover the cost's to run the severs.

Also something else comes to mind, with them ending P2P transfers, what was keeping people from setting up a league game and doing some chip dumping to get their cash out that way.

 

[Jack_Benny]

Also it could be the low turnout in league games, which also hurts them in Rake. Lets looks at the cost, with the time it takes for them to set up the games and the power it cost's to run the severs, that small amount of rake is not going to cover the cost's to run the severs.

You are absolutely right. I'm proud to say, however, that our games averaged about 18-22 player turnout...by far, the highest of any buyins in the private lobby. And we maintained that standard for some time.

That said, it still doesn't keep the lights on, as you say, but it does bring those folks into their other games on a regular basis as well. But that's neither here nor there. It's not about the cost to run the servers, it's about refocusing their player base in their main promotions instead. And THAT'S not a bad idea, in the end. Honestly, I don't lose anything other than headache--it was Carbon's idea to call it a "league" in the first place, ironically, I always hated the term--going to two games, and much of our schedule can be replicated by utilizing their 18 seat SnGs, so everyone wins. (Of course, those games are only holdem, but hey, there you have it!)

Also something else comes to mind, with them ending P2P transfers, what was keeping people from setting up a league game and doing some chip dumping to get their cash out that way.

Hey, THANKS! I really hadn't thought of that as part of the reasoning, and I have NO doubt that came up in their planning meetings! Well said! Times are changing, and as a wise songwriter once said, "Get out of the way if you can't lend your hand."

 

[Debi]

As the source of this information, I thought it might be best if I came by with a final "resolution", as it were. Here is the latest, effective yesterday:

It's important to understand that Carbon is not distinguishing between forum, league, or any sort of private game with this policy, there's nothing in the "fine print" separating them. This is about refocusing their player base.

FIRST, the cuts will not be sweeping and across the board cuts (whether or not this is a change of heart on Carbon's part after the last day of forum chatter across the 'net, I can't say, but he made a point of mentioning to me just how loud all the affiliates and players across many forums were getting on this issue) but they will be severe, both starting in February and in the future. They are very adamant about affiliates focusing on their other promotions, such as Maximus, instead of having so many private games detracting from them.

For the record, I believe private games only help the exposure and play in those events, but that is Carbon's stance, and their prerogative.

SECOND, everything will run as normal through the end of January for all affiliates' private forum and league games. Some will experience drastic cuts on the 1st, some smaller cuts, and some can be expecting cuts down the road. It's happening; they're restructuring their company goals, and that's their direction.


As a forum with a HEAVY schedule in the Carbon client, mine will be one of those most effected by the new policy. Fortunately, word of this leaking caused quite a rumble throughout the online poker world, and it seems the uproar has given them reason to revise it enough so that not ALL games will be affected. We will be dropping from 12 to 2 games per week, which, while drastic, is NOT the end of the world. I suspect other forums as affected will have similar experiences. That said, things don't look so bleak.

And for the record, I DON'T think Carbon Poker is disappearing anytime soon. Sure, they're making quite a few changes lately, but they are designed to strengthen their business model, and hopefully it works. More strong poker rooms are what we need, not less. Of course, we all fear change, and doomsayers await every opportunity to jump on each one, but if we remain level, we'll see it ain't so bad, after all...

Cheers, and good luck on the felt!

Thanks for stopping by. I think the problem here was that we just had a mutual member who assumed all of us would be impacted in the same way - which of course is not the case. We were told there would be changes - but not any that would impact our games.

You are absolutely right. I'm proud to say, however, that our games averaged about 18-22 player turnout...by far, the highest of any buyins in the private lobby. And we maintained that standard for some time.

That is very good for sure - most are very small. But I think you have been missing ours - we consistently have more than that.

(there are 28 in today's game for example - and that is not the most we ever get)

 

[Jack_Benny]

That is very good for sure - most are very small. But I think you have been missing ours - we consistently have more than that.

(there are 28 in today's game for example - and that is not the most we ever get)

Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as skipping yours; I generally don't consider money added games in the same vein as standard buyins...the turnouts are skewed, so it's hard to use those numbers in figuring overall stats. I didn't bring it up to do anything more than respond to the "low turnout" theory, certainly not to start a "whose is bigger" debate! LOL

That said, it's clear we both have strong player bases. We should consider a friendly inter-forum event sometime! I've had them in the past, and each time we make new friends along the way! We could throw in some side bets, like who has to wear the chicken suit, and we'll have a blast!

 

[Debi]

Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as skipping yours; I generally don't consider money added games in the same vein as standard buyins...the turnouts are skewed, so it's hard to use those numbers in figuring overall stats. I didn't bring it up to do anything more than respond to the "low turnout" theory, certainly not to start a "whose is bigger" debate! LOL

That said, it's clear we both have strong player bases. We should consider a friendly inter-forum event sometime! I've had them in the past, and each time we make new friends along the way! We could throw in some side bets, like who has to wear the chicken suit, and we'll have a blast!

Ohh - thought yours were money added too. That is probably the big difference to Carbon in what we were talking about above. Most sites won't even allow private games that don't have money added. When we used to scout around for places to hold our league games we ran into a lot of that. pokerstars only started allowing it after they created their home game feature.

 

[LeanAndMean]

I am so glad the games here will not be affected. When I first heard that CP was no longer hosting private "leagues" I assumed it meant all private games and I was planning to with draw all my funds on Feb 1. Glad it ain't so. Maybe what they object to is the work involved in reporting back to the forum who the winners are to track the league? I could see where that would be a pain.

 

[Debi]

I think it is because sites don't really like to mess with private games - it really doesn't do a lot for their bottom line - especially if there is no money added which at least is a lure for new members. Most of the buy-ins are very low so they are not getting much rake from them either. So they are probably eliminating most of the ones that fall into that category.

Cardschat/Nick contributes funds to our games and that is probably why they won't be impacted.

 

[gotchips]

hopfully not i happen to like playing on carbon...

 

[IWinUlose]

I don't know how to take your posts on this topic. Are you offended that we're not going to be affected?

Come 2/1/13 we'll see if your effected or not. I could care if you effected or not I was trying to be a nice guy and pass info I heard and you people keep giving me shit. I wasn't out to debate or argue but you always make it that way. I think it's time you get over yourself bro.

 

[Poker Orifice]

It's true I just read it at another forum I Twitter

Could someone please give this ^ guy poop!

 

[Blobweird123]

Well that was awkward

 

[aa88wildbill]

I haven't received any messages about this. You would think they would at least e-mail us.

 

[Debi]

I haven't received any messages about this. You would think they would at least e-mail us.

Unless you are an affiliate they would have no reason to email you.

Sounds like they did contact the ones who are going to be affected by their changes.