I wanna talk a little about global poker.... I live in Kentucky which has no casinos and is really hard to play any online sites. Global seemed like a decent site at first but at this point it really seems like the win/lose swings are ridiculously over the top. Seems like every time you receive solid pocket pairs, someone else receives them also an usually better pairs or they hit a set or 4 of a kind on the flop. I know people bitch about this sort of thing all the time and maybe i have just been running extremely horrible.... but it just seems a little fishy the way the site runs. Ive played poker for around 12 years now online and live and the way the cards run on this site are extremely crazy. Makes me feel like they have some sort of player algorithm that sucks you in in a way and then they just run you horrible when you really get your money involved. Idk. I would just really like a trustworthy site i can depend on and can't seem to find that. I got robbed for about 700$ on full flush poker whenever they shut down, and not long after for about 150$ on bet online poker. Not sure what to do at this point.... may just stick to driving 2 hours to Illinois to play live, even though the casino is garbage.....like wtf. Can someone not just offer a legitimate site like poker stars in the US.....? Sick of basically burning my money.. Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I know what you mean D3CISION and being fed up is how I found this thread, and It is very fishy. No matter what pocket pair I have, A's, K's, 10's, and my most recent minutes ago, 8's, i'll hit trips each time and someone will have a flush... Or i'll have 2 top pair on the flop, and someone gets dealt a straight over and over again. It seems the more you deposit, the faster you'll lose. Swap to gold coins, and it's not like that as much as using the sweepscash. I think I've made my last deposit. ACR isn't to bad, but their site seems to have bad connection issues. Tried ignition and betonline, but I advise you to stay away from them as well. I'm beginning to believe that there will never be an honest online poker site.. Good luck buddy....

I have never seen so many suck outs on the river. Continues to amaze me how 5%ers keep winning. Really has to make me think that this site is rigged I cannot be unlucky for this long period of time nobody is! Use extra caution at this site.

Originally Posted by vpvkals

They do have a very clunky RNG...I see quads daily on there.

Everybody needs their daily quads.

If you want to try another site that is legal in the US I would try Bovada. Some of the beats had been bad but I still manage to win more than I lose. Here is a referral is interested. It will give you a bonus or 2
https://www.bovada.lv/welcome/P45B5B...tcmpid=rafcopy

I have a suspicion that the RNG on Global feels worse... not because it is but due to the fact that there is an insane number of donks and fishes.

I have never seen such a loose environment in all of my days playing Online Poker.

In micro sit and goes... it's not uncommon for the majority of the table to be evolved in every hand... even after a 3 or 4 bet.

More people playing till the river (even when they shouldn't) means there will always be a higher number of river suck-outs.

I just think some of the bigger sites weight the deck to entice action, more in cash games than MTT play - bigger pots gives them more rake and hitting that rake cap more often, more profit. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see it in freerolls with no buy-ins either. They don't want you building a huge bank roll without paying them off you know.

With that said, if you're good and you turn your 2.50 first place win into a 25k, then the rake you made for them easily made up for the 2.50 they gave you to start up.

Effed if I know - variance and all that. But I really wouldn't be surprised to see some heavy weighting in on demand, no buy-in freerolls for that purpose alone.

Originally Posted by Ginyu6869

I know what you mean D3CISION and being fed up is how I found this thread, and It is very fishy. No matter what pocket pair I have, A's, K's, 10's, and my most recent minutes ago, 8's, i'll hit trips each time and someone will have a flush... Or i'll have 2 top pair on the flop, and someone gets dealt a straight over and over again. It seems the more you deposit, the faster you'll lose. Swap to gold coins, and it's not like that as much as using the sweepscash. I think I've made my last deposit. ACR isn't to bad, but their site seems to have bad connection issues. Tried ignition and betonline, but I advise you to stay away from them as well. I'm beginning to believe that there will never be an honest online poker site.. Good luck buddy....

A effing men brotha

I have certainly seen many flops and run outs on global that happen what seems like a lot more than they should. Lot of flop 2 flushes, many paired boards, often a flop with both a flush and straight draw. Lot of flopped a and k, not many 2 and 3. It seems like the odds don't work. It doesn't seem to favor any one player, it just seems very odd.

Its obviously rigged....................for me to win

Learn how to play and try higher stakes you have less donks to suckout on you.

I totally agree that something is not right with this site. I'm not necessarily saying it is rigged, but the RNG is not right and I do not think they mention anywhere that it is audited and certified to be random. I constantly get beat with power hands with 4 flush cards hitting on the board and see a lot of other very low percentage beats. Some of this could be attributed to bad players playing garbage, but it still seems a bit much. I also don't understand how they are "legal" when many other sites, even membership sites are not considered legal in all states. I live in Mississippi and I cannot play on any of the membership sites anymore. At one time Pureplay would accept members here, but no more. I don't understand how Global could be legal and membership "sweepstakes" sites not.

Originally Posted by islandman

Its obviously rigged....................for me to win

Learn how to play and try higher stakes you have less donks to suckout on you.

There is no way I would risk any substantial sums on ANY offshore poker site.

Originally Posted by paintedbynumbers

If you want to try another site that is legal in the US I would try Bovada. Some of the beats had been bad but I still manage to win more than I lose. Here is a referral is interested. It will give you a bonus or 2
https://www.bovada.lv/welcome/P45B5B57/join/?extcmpid=rafcopy

Bovada is an Ignition Poker skin, or at least appears to be. I've played for years on Ignition since the days it was Bodog poker and have managed to stay ahead without having to constantly re-deposit as I do on Global and other sites. Ignition / Global also takes steps to avoid people from following weak players around and feeding on them and collusion, as you don't have a screen name there, but are assigned a seat number on each game or tourney. They have also recently changed their chat to a series of canned phrases and emoticons so there is no insulting or non appropriate chat. This does lead to a bit of a sterile environment, but it also indicates to me that they are making an effort to keep things on the up and up. I have seen a lot less horrific beats and miracle hands on here than other sites, but that could also be because it is a bit harder to deposit / withdraw with Bitcoin being the best overall option.

Igave up on that site immediately.
this was within the first 3 months of them opening:

1 first red flag was using paypal to process deposits and withdrawals. They (paypal) have strict policy against any kind of gambling and while many got away with it, paypal was bound to catch up eventually.

Second redflag one was promise of $2 to try the site out. This turned out to be a joke because I couldn't tell how many players on a table and the one I chose had one player that just went all in everyhand so I quite after 3 was down to around $1.5 and could not use it cause min buyin was $2

Consequently See ya = would never deposit with ya....


Just my opinion

Just wanted to let the person from Kentucky know I been playing on Global for a couple of years. When I first signed up I was the one catching all the river cards as well as the good flops. After a wining streak of about 4 weeks with cash outs of 8x my deposit there was a dramatic change and I seldom have a cash out that is more than 2x deposit. Have been playing online and live for 20 + years only other site I use is Bovada, but getting payment is a pain.

play only freerolls this is safe for your bankroll

Originally Posted by Alex330

play only freerolls this is safe for your bankroll

I would love to be able to play at Pokerstars again. U.S. is supposed to be the most free country in the world, yet we can't choose where to play online games

Never played on Global but from what I can tell from these comments here and across the internet....it sounds massively shady and will only harm the US poker cause not help it. If online poker is ever going to return full force here, bad actor sites can not be representative of what online poker is when shown to regulators and lawmakers. And it sounds like Global with it's "sweepstakes" setup is toeing a fine line.

I started at Global poker when they first came online in December 2016. I signed up, got 25,000 gold coins and $2 sweeps cash. I never made a deposit and have had over 50 cashouts between 75 and 400 dollars. They paid within 24 hrs directly into your pay pal acct ( they paid the fee ) until recently.Now they pay within 24 hrs by direct deposit to your bank acct. How can that be bad? Get to know the site and I think you will like it, I love it and play it every day.

I have yet to play any games on global poker and dont if i should play there i have been hearing a lot negative things about that site.

I dont trust any of those new sites... its a shame you US people need to deal with them

I'm also in US . I've been playing at ACR now for about a year and I like the site . They had some cyber attack problems awhile back , but everything has running well for quite some time now ,so I think they got everything fixed .

I've only played on Global a couple times. I have never gone back because of the two experiences I've had on the site. The suckouts blew my mind. Sticking with ACR even through all the DDOS attacks.

Originally Posted by mssippi_jim

I would love to be able to play at Pokerstars again. U.S. is supposed to be the most free country in the world, yet we can't choose where to play online games

The most expensive "free" in the world maybe!

Originally Posted by Mrjamesbond1977

I have yet to play any games on global poker and dont if i should play there i have been hearing a lot negative things about that site.

They have some really good overlays on the tournaments and I have some friends locally that have won there, I've just had some horrific bad beats fairly regularly.

Won't hurt to try it I suppose, it is convenient, I just wouldn't put a lot of money at risk.

I will never play at global again. In four months my winrate for AA was 1/10. In the beginning I new something was up. I would get quads three, four times a day. After a couple of cash outs, it turned on me. And there are a lot of ppl, even winning players complaining about how the rng feels odd. I seen quads ten times in thier one day. It’s not truly random, beatable? Well depends on if they have you losing or not. I know some losing players who have been playing for years that never cashed out before, and was cashing out on global. It’s a poker product. And ppl who are cashing out regularly and lining the doors to stick up for this poker product. I still get messages with ppl finally agreeing with me, and it will come out. Only place I’ve ever played poker where I couldn’t analyze my own hands to see my leaks. I’m done here good luck at the tables!

Hello i cant cash out because i am not from Usa or Canada.If anybody want my 100$ i am gona selling for half price.We should first arrange how to pay money to my bank account and then we find each other at poker table HU and we go allin,an you my friend take my stack.Greetings!

Originally Posted by D3CISION

I wanna talk a little about global poker.... I live in Kentucky which has no casinos and is really hard to play any online sites. Global seemed like a decent site at first but at this point it really seems like the win/lose swings are ridiculously over the top. Seems like every time you receive solid pocket pairs, someone else receives them also an usually better pairs or they hit a set or 4 of a kind on the flop. I know people bitch about this sort of thing all the time and maybe i have just been running extremely horrible.... but it just seems a little fishy the way the site runs. Ive played poker for around 12 years now online and live and the way the cards run on this site are extremely crazy. Makes me feel like they have some sort of player algorithm that sucks you in in a way and then they just run you horrible when you really get your money involved. Idk. I would just really like a trustworthy site i can depend on and can't seem to find that. I got robbed for about 700$ on full flush poker whenever they shut down, and not long after for about 150$ on bet online poker. Not sure what to do at this point.... may just stick to driving 2 hours to Illinois to play live, even though the casino is garbage.....like wtf. Can someone not just offer a legitimate site like poker stars in the US.....? Sick of basically burning my money.. Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Well I think you should try another pokersite ACR is a good ohe

Originally Posted by nolifescotty

Well I think you should try another pokersite ACR is a good ohe

I play on the Pppoker app.... The club im in is great! Get paid out when ya ask and they have small games all the way up to 10/20 games... Daily tournaments big one on sunday! I can give anyone info if they wanna try it!

Originally Posted by nolifescotty

Well I think you should try another pokersite ACR is a good ohe

In the U.S. I would also suggest Ignition Casino and Betonline.

Originally Posted by nolifescotty

Well I think you should try another pokersite ACR is a good ohe

some pepole watch and take notes as how you play so what you got by with at frist dont wor k now . trun things up a bit to see what happen for a test run and adjust to what works havefunAA

Originally Posted by Ginyu6869

I know what you mean D3CISION and being fed up is how I found this thread, and It is very fishy. No matter what pocket pair I have, A's, K's, 10's, and my most recent minutes ago, 8's, i'll hit trips each time and someone will have a flush... Or i'll have 2 top pair on the flop, and someone gets dealt a straight over and over again. It seems the more you deposit, the faster you'll lose. Swap to gold coins, and it's not like that as much as using the sweepscash. I think I've made my last deposit. ACR isn't to bad, but their site seems to have bad connection issues. Tried ignition and betonline, but I advise you to stay away from them as well. I'm beginning to believe that there will never be an honest online poker site.. Good luck buddy....

Bad variance is one of those things that hits us all at different times, im not sure that its always the sites fault (although im open to direct examples that are fishy). Bad beats are a sign that you're playing well. Learn to love the fish, their bad calls will represent an uptick eventually. Tight is right.

THere is thing called equitable distribution that can be put into rngs. And what it does is even out the winning percentages. And it doesn't matter the hands you have its set up to equal out everyones winning percentages. So what happens is doesn't matter how good you are the equitable distribution will even out the odds so everyone wins about the same amount. And casino companies can do this. They know how to add the algorithm into their machines or poker rng. Its not hard to do. A lot of times when it kicks in the turn card freezes because the equitable distribution is changing the card to set up a bad beat cause your winning percentage is to high compared to your opponent. If the turn freezes your bad beat on the river. I seen it happen on global many times. And thats why your losing because added into the rng. They have it on most sites. Carbon poker doesn't have it. It actually is a real rng working. Its the only site where the cards come out properly. You know its working properly cause there is no pause in there rng the cards run out smoothly. There is nothing going on to freeze up the card to change the results.

I have never heard of "equitable distribution". Is this a theory or is there verifiable proof that it exists in poker RNG's? If so, it shouldn't. Also if it is based on win history, I should never be on the end of the bad beat!

Maybe I've been naive, but I have to say that every time a player claimed something was rigged, I just figured they were a sore loser. Reading through everyone's experiences, I'm not quite so sure anymore... Made me think back on my own experience on 64spades, I was able to cash out on freerolling once. Since, everytime I manage to start building a decent bankroll, my luck runs south game after game. Obviously, part of the game is luck and that is inescapable, so is there any real way to confirm a conspiracy? Does anyone else have comment on 64 in particular? I've been okay on ACR, so it's good to hear some support for that.

Originally Posted by mssippi_jim

At one time Pureplay would accept members here, but no more.

I live in WA state and have the same trouble where many sites will not let me have an account.

As for Pureplay, I play there, but can only play in tournaments that use "PokerPoints", but no tournaments using "PlayMoney". The good news is that with poker points you can still enter the tourneys for the $10k Main Event seat they give away about every 3 months.

I am not sure if their RNG is much better as I see quite a few big hands vs big hands. This might be an illusion as it is true that the more players in a hand, the more likely you will see some strange things.

Originally Posted by vpvkals

They do have a very clunky RNG...I see quads daily on there.

Here is some interesting information to consider: I created a poker simulation for myself and i have used a very simple RNG to create my hands (I have satisfied myself that each deck does not contain repeating patterns that are a problem).

If I assume that the only players that play in a hand have a range in the top 30% of hands, then 55% of the time, the winning hand would have folded. So, obviously, the more players that are in a hand, the bigger the hands will be. If you happen to be playing with a bunch of "no-fold'em hold'em" players, then you should expect to see a lot of bigger hands and A LOT of river hits (it is a 7 card game after all). This isn't to defend Global's (or any other sites) RNG, just stating an observation.

An example from my simulator: In 10,000 hands, 0.13% were quads, and half of these had starting hands in the bottom 50% of hands. This means that 50% of the time, potential quads are folded before they even see a flop. If everyone wants to see a flop, then you will see more people make their quads by the river.

Having said all that, I would not expect to see quads daily either. Actual % chance of a single dealt hand seeing quads is .024%. If you are "seeing" 4000 players get to showdown everyday, then quads is not so unreasonable to see. (Notice that this also means that YOU need to see bout 4000 hands before you can expect to see quads... 'ish.)

Happy fishing!

Originally Posted by NWPatriot

Here is some interesting information to consider: I created a poker simulation for myself and i have used a very simple RNG to create my hands (I have satisfied myself that each deck does not contain repeating patterns that are a problem).

If I assume that the only players that play in a hand have a range in the top 30% of hands, then 55% of the time, the winning hand would have folded. So, obviously, the more players that are in a hand, the bigger the hands will be. If you happen to be playing with a bunch of "no-fold'em hold'em" players, then you should expect to see a lot of bigger hands and A LOT of river hits (it is a 7 card game after all). This isn't to defend Global's (or any other sites) RNG, just stating an observation.

An example from my simulator: In 10,000 hands, 0.13% were quads, and half of these had starting hands in the bottom 50% of hands. This means that 50% of the time, potential quads are folded before they even see a flop. If everyone wants to see a flop, then you will see more people make their quads by the river.

Having said all that, I would not expect to see quads daily either. Actual % chance of a single dealt hand seeing quads is .024%. If you are "seeing" 4000 players get to showdown everyday, then quads is not so unreasonable to see. (Notice that this also means that YOU need to see bout 4000 hands before you can expect to see quads... 'ish.)

Happy fishing!

I've not had enough sleep lately, and my intermittent headache is on day five, but this is not helping.

By colour:
This means that there is no greater likelihood of pocket pairs (in top 50% of starting hands) making quads than hands in bottom 50%.

The simulation is a 5 handed game?

.024% seems like a pretty low quad rate - and I mean way low. I just Googled it and without verifying source, rate is listed at .168% - seven times your observed rate. I'm sure that I see quads on a daily basis, seeing a few hundred hands a day, all few hundred of my own and a thousand of others' at showdown, brag show.

Originally Posted by mtl mile end

By colour:
This means that there is no greater likelihood of pocket pairs (in top 50% of starting hands) making quads than hands in bottom 50%.

The simulation is a 5 handed game?

.024% seems like a pretty low quad rate - and I mean way low. I just Googled it and without verifying source, rate is listed at .168% - seven times your observed rate.....

When we discuss odds etc, we have to be clear about what we are talking about, and I didn't do that well.

3) as for the .024%...per wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_probability :
156 distinct hands
0.0240%
These are the odds for a 5 card poker hand. Of course in holdem we are playing a 7 card game, so we need to run the calculation on the cards that don't play as well. A 7 card analysis would show the .168% that you quoted. Nice catch.

2) My simulation is a full 10 person table. 1000 shuffles/decks/hands, yields 10,000 individual hands for review. In 10,000 hands there were quads 13 times (good correlation at 0.13%)

1) the odds of quads don't care what your starting range is. Not all starting ranges include all pocket pairs, and not all quads require a pocket pair in order to hit. the point I was trying to make is that in a game where players have solid ranges, there may be only 2 or 3 players per flop. In some of the "other" games, there may be 4 or 5 players per flop and much wider ranges - this kind of game makes it much more likely to see big hands like quads.

As for my 50% numbers, I am only saying that of the 13 quads, 6 of them may have never seen the light of day. Like J6offsuit would have seen three 6's come on the board, but he would likely have folded long before seeing this. J6off is not in too many starting hand ranges that I know of, and is certainly not in the top 50% of all ranges.

Sorry for the confusion and especially for giving you a headache. Take two tylenol and call me tomorrow.

Originally Posted by NWPatriot

......1) the odds of quads don't care what your starting range is. Not all starting ranges include all pocket pairs, and not all quads require a pocket pair in order to hit. the point I was trying to make is that in a game where players have solid ranges, there may be only 2 or 3 players per flop. In some of the "other" games, there may be 4 or 5 players per flop and much wider ranges - this kind of game makes it much more likely to see big hands like quads.

As for my 50% numbers, I am only saying that of the 13 quads, 6 of them may have never seen the light of day. Like J6offsuit would have seen three 6's come on the board, but he would likely have folded long before seeing this. J6off is not in too many starting hand ranges that I know of, and is certainly not in the top 50% of all ranges.

Sorry for the confusion and especially for giving you a headache. Take two tylenol and call me tomorrow.

OK, I thought the simulation was including all hands, not just hands that weren't folded. We really need a naming system to distinguish between hands, hands, hands, and hands. It would cut down on the confusion when discussing hands, as well as when discussing hands.

Do you think online blackjack or roulette is rigged? What makes poker any different?

Do not play on this site. I recently did regression analysis as well as just pure researching hand history. on my last 100 hands played to showdown in both PLO and NL I was leading going into the river 75 times of those times I won 12. I have lost AA or KK 15 out of the last 20 times as well. The run outs are absurd avoid at all times rigged for action .

Originally Posted by paintedbynumbers

If you want to try another site that is legal in the US I would try Bovada. Some of the beats had been bad but I still manage to win more than I lose. Here is a referral is interested. It will give you a bonus or 2
https://www.bovada.lv/welcome/P45B5B57/join/?extcmpid=rafcopy

Do you like Bovada better than ACR? I've heard of many people having cash out issues on Bovada.

It's funny how, people play crap and win, and when I do I lose, the river rats with a 6% chance of catching, ( 3 outs) and yet I am unable to, I say it the site already has determine the winner before the game begins

This sites ruined. I am not sure but I do think its possible the rng is hacked on global. YOu can just tell by the cheap bad software. Unless its high quality like poker stars poker nerds are gonna hack it with ease. It was fine earlier this year but not anymore i know several regs that quit. They are constantly going in with the worst hand and I am well over 90% fav and i continue to lose. Its extremely weird. And im losing be huge fav over and over again. I went all in JJ vs JT in mtt and turn comes T and i tell my friend i bet river is T. Thats how bad i have ran and it was T. I lost with top set to river quads several times. And this not a few days or weeks this is 3 or 4 months of very heavy volume for many hrs and there is only bad variance. Good variance is just about gone. acr, bol and carbon combined are less bad beats then what I have had on global. The site is extremely bad for me. I am up money on the site because earlier in the year it was fine until acr started removing players ( my guess they went to global) but I just play mtts now and not very many. You have to casino to play poker. Bots and hackers have ruined online poker. Anything on computer these days is going to be hacked sooner or later. I reported several players playing suspiciously, defintely collusion and they are just like acr they say they are not cheating. I played for 20 years I know when players are cheating or of they are a bot or if they got the rng hacked. i played players who play extremely tight then out of no where in mtt deep stack they shove J8o in mp. I call with Kk and they hit 2 pair and im out. Then later they play nitty out of no where open shove QTs hit a boat and knock out someone else with over pair. When you see stuff like they are definitely cheating some how. If blockchains/ exchanges with sophisticated engineers are getting hacked then rng is probably cake walk especially with bad software. My feed back stay away from global. They lost tons of traffic and if they keep losing more they are gonna have to find better software and better security. Thats why poker sites like poker stars strives and the rest of them can't even come close. The security is god awful on several of them. Cats out of the bag now everyone knows somethings just not right with online poker. If there is one site i would feel safe on its poker stars. I would say carbon poker is fine but i got see sawed in mtt for 2 hrs on carbon and i reported all of the hands and carbon said well they never played together before so they didn't cheat. But they 100% see sawed me out of the mtt and it took them about 2 hrs to finally get me. but you can only do so much if people are gonna collude against you. And if the site wont stop do what i do cash out. I wont put up with cheating and neither should any of you.

Originally Posted by vpvkals

Don't know about it being rigged, but I just had a $500 withdrawal...which got processed and paid out...Now here's the funny part...
I check my bank account and I DO NOT SEE $500 ANYWHERE.

I contacted their support and they said they paid out.
I gave them my bank information for no reason. I am so glad I only deposit $50 on this piece of shit scam website. I can't do anything since they are based off in Australia. So stupid they take away your winnings and not very helpful when it comes to customer service.

They are sending players moneys to banks they don't even bank with. So my guess is the accounts are being tampered with. I seen complaints on forums about the money going to a bank they don't even bank with. thats pretty scary. AGain just more proof their security is terrible.

Just play live, it's hard enough that you can play comfortably online in the United States really, not being regulated rooms and can find anything. If you are being scammed, you can not complain anywhere, it's as simple as that ready, you got scammed and that's it. The best thing you can do is to travel the weekend to the casino and stay there.

interesting comments. I am super sore about my most recent loss after cashing out there on a plo table flopping the nut flush getting it in on the flop and runner runner. duece pairs the board on turn and a Jack on the river; giving hero a boat. (with his JJXX no trips on the flop or any reason to continue.) But i want to believe its variance, and i sucked out super hard on people in the beginning i will say. I wonder if someone would be willing to test the 'equitable distribution' theory, maybe folding on flop multiple times and then shortstack a higher buy in table and just monkey shoving for their equitable distribution win rinse and repeat.

[QUOTE=Kooljackai;4731757]interesting comments. I am super sore about my most recent loss after cashing out there on a plo table flopping the nut flush getting it in on the flop and runner runner. ,,,


Not sure about the site myself, but I can tell you that nut flush on the flop in Omaha doesn't mean all that much...

if you live in the US just go to ACR, global poker isn't rigged but their tourneys are awful