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Global Poker...
Here is the fact that I know it's rigged, as will you...
I won $96.00 on 2 Global porker Tournaments.
after I won,
And since then I played 2 more tournaments, and in those 2 tournaments I received 138 hands in the first tournament, and 92 hands in the second tournament. that is a grand total of 300 hands.
& out of those 300 hands, I saw pocket Jacks' 3 times and not once did I ever see pocket Q, K, or Aces.

I know being card dead does happen, but I think that is the longest I have ever heard of it. what are the odds of never seeing pocket, Q, K, or A's in 300 hands? I believe it's rigged. I managed to make a few bluffs, and hit a few bad hands, but most every hand I had was unplayable. I sure would love to know the odds of this. can someone please tell me the odds? I logged every hand, so I know it was 138, and 92. I am about done with Online poker at Global,
I was wondering what you people think about Ignition.

I am done with Americas Cardroom, I had the same thing happen to me there after winning $502.00 there.
I also won a Million Dollar Sunday seat on a Tournament with over 1600 people game, that they never gave me. I won a second Million dollar Sunday seat and was card dead until my stack was gone.

if you are having good luck there then enjoy it. I am done with them. I am going to a casino the 27th of June to play a $100.00 buy in 4K GTD. I have never played live, but if you wish to know, I'll update you about my results. Peace, Wildjoker68
 
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It's no different at pretty much any online site. The only one I have heard nothing about yet is Run It Once.
 
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No offense but its kind of funny, how some people think online poker is rigged and typically base this idea on incredibly small samples like 300 hands. To answer your question, there are 52*51/2=1326 different starting hands in poker, and 18 of these are QQ-AA. This mean the chance of NOT getting dealt QQ-AA in a single hand is 98,64%, and the chance of this happening 300 times in a row is 1,66%.

So sure its unusual but not THAT unusual, and it proves absolutely nothing, that it happened to you. If you wanted to prove, that you are not getting dealt premium hands as often, as you should, you would need to play 100.000 hands or more on a site. But of course you dont have time for that, because you are to busy writing posts about, how online poker is rigged.

Also and again no offense, but why do you think, you are so special to Global Poker, that they would bother to rig the card generation in your 5 dollar tournament? The site collect its rake or tournament fee, every time you play, so they dont really need to do anything to have a profit other than to keep the wheel running.
 
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By the way you only played 230 hands in those two tournaments and not 300. The chance of not seeing QQ-AA over 230 hands is 4,31%. So pretty much no more unlikely than hitting a 2-outer on the river.
 
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No offense but its kind of funny, how some people think online poker is rigged and typically base this idea on incredibly small samples like 300 hands. To answer your question, there are 52*51/2=1326 different starting hands in poker, and 18 of these are QQ-AA. This mean the chance of NOT getting dealt QQ-AA in a single hand is 98,64%, and the chance of this happening 300 times in a row is 1,66%.

So sure its unusual but not THAT unusual, and it proves absolutely nothing, that it happened to you. If you wanted to prove, that you are not getting dealt premium hands as often, as you should, you would need to play 100.000 hands or more on a site. But of course you dont have time for that, because you are to busy writing posts about, how online poker is rigged.

Also and again no offense, but why do you think, you are so special to Global Poker, that they would bother to rig the card generation in your 5 dollar tournament? The site collect its rake or tournament fee, every time you play, so they dont really need to do anything to have a profit other than to keep the wheel running.
I see you started playing this month. Let me catch you up to speed.

Randomness and variance can explain many observations. It doesn't mean it is the right explanation. Neither side can prove or disprove the other's stance. It goes both ways. Just because there is randomness in cards, does not mean there is randomness in who holds the cards and when.

Lastly, the side for rigged poker doesn't allege that any poker site targets a single player in a single tournament. Instead, most players are treated the same and are just put in situations that make them lose in the long run. Any business wants to maximize profit without being put out of business. Why earn 1 billion if you can earn 15 billion without repercussions? If it is possible to make the cards appear random while maximizing the rate at which money exchanges hands (which in turn maximizes rake and entry fees), you should expect that some sort of system is likely in place by now to make this happen. The industry has only had about 20 years or so to get this done. The only question is whether different sites utilize different systems.
 
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I see you started playing this month. Let me catch you up to speed.


Playing poker and writing in a forum is not exactly the same thing. In fact I have probably played a bit less, since I started writing here ;)
 
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Lastly, the side for rigged poker doesn't allege that any poker site targets a single player in a single tournament. Instead, most players are treated the same and are just put in situations that make them lose in the long run.


Well then its rigged for me, because after more than 1/2 million hands on pokerstars, I am winning in both cash games and tournaments :D
 
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Kidding aside of course the majority of players lose in the long run. It can not be any different, when the games are raked. If skill edges become small enough, then everyone lose in the long run.

The real issue is, that a lot of poker players have gigantic egos. So when they lose, they tend to blame it on a variety of external factors. The games are rigged, the other players are bots, I am the most unlucky person in the world, etc.

The OP have cashed in two tournaments on a poker site, and how he feel, something has to be wrong, because he did not cash in the two next. Well you are not supposed to cash in every tournament, you play, nobody does.
 
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If it is possible to make the cards appear random while maximizing the rate at which money exchanges hands (which in turn maximizes rake and entry fees), you should expect that some sort of system is likely in place by now to make this happen. The industry has only had about 20 years or so to get this done.

Well players with millions of hands in their databases have also had 20 years to expose it, which has not happened. Also I somehow dought, it would even increase long term profits for the sites. The reason is, people tend to get much more angry, when they lose than they get happy, when they win. And when they get angry, some of them stop to play.
 
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One more point to be made here..

Global Poker...
Here is the fact that I know it's rigged, as will you...
I won $96.00 on 2 Global porker Tournaments.
after I won,
And since then I played 2 more tournaments, and in those 2 tournaments I received 138 hands in the first tournament, and 92 hands in the second tournament. that is a grand total of 300 hands.
& out of those 300 hands, I saw pocket Jacks' 3 times and not once did I ever see pocket Q, K, or Aces.

I know being card dead does happen, but I think that is the longest I have ever heard of it. what are the odds of never seeing pocket, Q, K, or A's in 300 hands? I believe it's rigged. I managed to make a few bluffs, and hit a few bad hands, but most every hand I had was unplayable. I sure would love to know the odds of this. can someone please tell me the odds? I logged every hand, so I know it was 138, and 92. I am about done with Online poker at Global,
I was wondering what you people think about Ignition.

I am done with Americas Cardroom, I had the same thing happen to me there after winning $502.00 there.
I also won a Million Dollar Sunday seat on a Tournament with over 1600 people game, that they never gave me. I won a second Million dollar Sunday seat and was card dead until my stack was gone.

if you are having good luck there then enjoy it. I am done with them. I am going to a casino the 27th of June to play a $100.00 buy in 4K GTD. I have never played live, but if you wish to know, I'll update you about my results. Peace, Wildjoker68



One more point to be made here. Americas card room was exposed, and admitted to it. another point can be this..

http://www.onlinepoker.net/poker-news/general-poker-news/online-poker-rigged-wsop-winner/6801
 
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I see you started playing this month. Let me catch you up to speed.

Randomness and variance can explain many observations. It doesn't mean it is the right explanation. Neither side can prove or disprove the other's stance. It goes both ways. Just because there is randomness in cards, does not mean there is randomness in who holds the cards and when.

Lastly, the side for rigged poker doesn't allege that any poker site targets a single player in a single tournament. Instead, most players are treated the same and are just put in situations that make them lose in the long run. Any business wants to maximize profit without being put out of business. Why earn 1 billion if you can earn 15 billion without repercussions? If it is possible to make the cards appear random while maximizing the rate at which money exchanges hands (which in turn maximizes rake and entry fees), you should expect that some sort of system is likely in place by now to make this happen. The industry has only had about 20 years or so to get this done. The only question is whether different sites utilize different systems.

100% correct and i dont need to see 100 thousands hands to see 2 and 3 outers being the NUTZ constantly and especially against me. Since being back i have never seen such BS in my life. I quit playing for years cause of it. I dont see that same bs when i play live. I dont play cash games but finish in the money alot and a few(big wins) wins in tournaments to know something aint right with online poker when any 2 is best hand against very good hands. Anyone who says different is obviously very lucky and suck out ALOT cause being tag does not work online anymore. Hell even ALOT of pros are coming out lately and saying the RNG just isnt right online at all
 
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Good luck in your live game.

I played at GP for awhile. I didn't notice anything different than any other site other then the site is a little buggy at times.
 
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100% correct and i dont need to see 100 thousands hands to see 2 and 3 outers being the NUTZ constantly and especially against me.

Yes you do, if its going to be more than just the usual bad beat story. "Evidence" based on playing for a few hours on a site and suffering some bad beats would be quickly dismissed by any court room as complete nonsense, should you decide to sue the site, which you believe has cheated you.

I dont see that same bs when i play live.

Yes you do, but because you play less hands per hour, coolers and bad beats are separated by larger amounts of time.

Anyone who says different is obviously very lucky and suck out ALOT cause being tag does not work online anymore.

Yes it does, but online games are not nearly as soft as similar stake live games. This is probably the biggest pitfall for people with a live background. Live the lowest cash game, you can play, is typically 1/2$, but online 1/2$ is near the top of the food chain. So rather than clueless gamblers and turists, you will be taking on world class pros with years of experience and millions on hands under their belt.

Hell even ALOT of pros are coming out lately and saying the RNG just isnt right online at all

Really? I would love to hear, who those "pros" are ;)
 
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No offense but its kind of funny, how some people think online poker is rigged and typically base this idea on incredibly small samples like 300 hands. To answer your question, there are 52*51/2=1326 different starting hands in poker, and 18 of these are QQ-AA. This mean the chance of NOT getting dealt QQ-AA in a single hand is 98,64%, and the chance of this happening 300 times in a row is 1,66%.

So sure its unusual but not THAT unusual, and it proves absolutely nothing, that it happened to you. If you wanted to prove, that you are not getting dealt premium hands as often, as you should, you would need to play 100.000 hands or more on a site. But of course you dont have time for that, because you are to busy writing posts about, how online poker is rigged.

Also and again no offense, but why do you think, you are so special to Global Poker, that they would bother to rig the card generation in your 5 dollar tournament? The site collect its rake or tournament fee, every time you play, so they dont really need to do anything to have a profit other than to keep the wheel running.
Very well said! Judging a site from 3 tournaments is beyond ridiculous.
 
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By the way you only played 230 hands in those two tournaments and not 300. The chance of not seeing QQ-AA over 230 hands is 4,31%. So pretty much no more unlikely than hitting a 2-outer on the river.



so what's the odds of not seeing pocket Q, K, or Aces. they say you should see pocket aces every 221 hands, so I would think that would most likely be the case for any suite, but to only see pocket J's one time in 138 hands, okay, that has happened, not my first rodeo, but really you think I'm nuts here.. wow. unbelievable how fast people are to judge people. it amazes me. People gamble online poker all the time. some people win and other people lose. even the best poker players get card dead. I know that, but if live casino's cheat, and anyone with half a brain should know that, then why in the world would anyone believe that off shore or even a site like Global poker would rip people off? the state lotto's are rigged, the Election is rigged, but not online poker. wow unbelievable..
 
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its hard to wrap your mind around statistics. our intuition naturally gets it wrong. i have a degree in physics, so i love math, and still hatted my statistics classes. a random sample of 300 provides almost no relevant data to base even a loose hypothesis on.
 
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No amount of hands exposes how it is rigged, because the cards that are supposed to appear do so as expected. The rig is in both who gets certain cards and when. Who holds aces when another player holds kings. Who hits their flush draw against someone's set. Who hits quads when two other players hit boats. This is the information that can't be readily or easily assessed by statistics.
 
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only 300 ?
I've gone over a thousand hands with no aa or kk
saw jj and qq but no aa or kk
its common to go with no aa or kk for a long time then get them back to back
but in no way does it mean its rigged because you don't get them
 
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Global Poker...
Here is the fact that I know it's rigged, as will you...
I won $96.00 on 2 Global porker Tournaments.
after I won,
And since then I played 2 more tournaments, and in those 2 tournaments I received 138 hands in the first tournament, and 92 hands in the second tournament. that is a grand total of 300 hands.
& out of those 300 hands, I saw pocket Jacks' 3 times and not once did I ever see pocket Q, K, or Aces.

I know being card dead does happen, but I think that is the longest I have ever heard of it. what are the odds of never seeing pocket, Q, K, or A's in 300 hands? I believe it's rigged. I managed to make a few bluffs, and hit a few bad hands, but most every hand I had was unplayable. I sure would love to know the odds of this. can someone please tell me the odds? I logged every hand, so I know it was 138, and 92. I am about done with Online poker at Global,
I was wondering what you people think about Ignition.

I am done with Americas Cardroom, I had the same thing happen to me there after winning $502.00 there.
I also won a Million Dollar Sunday seat on a Tournament with over 1600 people game, that they never gave me. I won a second Million dollar Sunday seat and was card dead until my stack was gone.

if you are having good luck there then enjoy it. I am done with them. I am going to a casino the 27th of June to play a $100.00 buy in 4K GTD. I have never played live, but if you wish to know, I'll update you about my results. Peace, Wildjoker68


It's not rigged man, this is just variance. Even professional players will go a month long downswings sometimes. It happens. Don't let it get to you.
 
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No amount of hands exposes how it is rigged, because the cards that are supposed to appear do so as expected. The rig is in both who gets certain cards and when. Who holds aces when another player holds kings. Who hits their flush draw against someone's set. Who hits quads when two other players hit boats. This is the information that can't be readily or easily assessed by statistics.

Well it can actually. If my kings run into aces more often, than they should, or my draws dont complete as often, as they should, this can exactly be proven by statistics over a large enough sample.

That being said Global Poker dont allow players to download hand histories, so in theory it would be easier for them to get away with not dealing cards randomly, than it would for other sites. They do have a license in the EU though, so I am pretty sure, there is at least one independent auditor.

I do think, the lack of hand histories makes Global Poker less safe than sites, that provide them, as has recently been discussed about PartyPokers new initiatives. So I would probably not personally play there, at least not for serious money.

But that still does not prove, the site is rigged, and believing this based on not seeing aces, kings or queens over 230 hands is boyond silly. OP apparently cant even really do elementary school math, since he believe 139+92=300. Or maybe he is just trolling us :wink:
 
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Well it can actually. If my kings run into aces more often, than they should, or my draws dont complete as often, as they should, this can exactly be proven by statistics over a large enough sample.

That being said Global Poker dont allow players to download hand histories, so in theory it would be easier for them to get away with not dealing cards randomly, than it would for other sites. They do have a license in the EU though, so I am pretty sure, there is at least one independent auditor.

I do think, the lack of hand histories makes Global Poker less safe than sites, that provide them, as has recently been discussed about PartyPokers new initiatives. So I would probably not personally play there, at least not for serious money.

But that still does not prove, the site is rigged, and believing this based on not seeing aces, kings or queens over 230 hands is boyond silly. OP apparently cant even really do elementary school math, since he believe 139+92=300. Or maybe he is just trolling us :wink:
How about distinguishing between when your kings run into aces versus when your kings run into aces and simultaneously run into another premium pair that hits a set? Getting aces when the board bricks versus getting aces more with connected boards? Or picking up aces when nobody else has anything versus picking up aces and villains having AK and AQ? How will this show up in statistics? How would statistics measure what is normal about these situations? No audit company examines the card distributions to this level of detail.
 
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Well players with millions of hands in their databases have also had 20 years to expose it, which has not happened. Also I somehow dought, it would even increase long term profits for the sites. The reason is, people tend to get much more angry, when they lose than they get happy, when they win. And when they get angry, some of them stop to play.
I do believe you might not be taking into account the addictive effects of gambling....sukers may get bothered but they keep coming back for the drug of maybe winning this time
 
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There's alot more hands being delt online but I witnessed some unbelievable outs hit on global poker.. for example Ak vs 55.. Ace on flop.. Ace on turn.. 5 on the river and I just opened the site I wasn't involved in the hand but that's all I needed to see.. Logged out immediately after witnessing that.. don't get me wrong it happens but man as soon as I open the first table I see that.. it happens in live poker too but it's rare.. its happening left and right online.. because there's more hands being played?... Gtfoh.. Setup for action.. they don't care who wins.. but need action to build pots and build rake.
 
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