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essdizzle68
Rising Star
Bronze Level
I like being anonymous on Bovada because it keeps the same people from heckling you over and over again. They go out of their way to keep you from having an unfair edge. My wife and I attempted to play a play money tournament and weren't allowed to play on the same table because we were using the same wi-fi signal. I was kind of pissed but also kind of relieved. I'm not saying it's impossible to cheat on this site but it has it pros and cons.
ovitoo
Legend
Bronze Level
The point I was making is that how do you know "Bigboy58" or "Pokergirl75" are not superuser accts. An account name is not going to determine if it's a superuser.
Just personally, my success' on Bovada have given me the satisfaction in knowing I'm not being cheated.
Anybody that thinks a site is cheating them (aside from payout issues) just needs to get better at the game imo.
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Big_Rudy
Legend
Silver Level
The thing is the names can be tracked/monitored by sites like PTR etc which would, in theory, detect unusual patterns etc. It has happened in the past where cheaters have been caught this way. You just have to realize that by playing on Bovada that you give up that layer of security. You also "give-up" the ability of everyone to use sites like PTR/sharkscope and far, far worse cheater sites against you. So, like most things, it is a trade-off. I actually applaud Bovada for taking a stand against all these "helper" Apps and giving players a choice. No one makes you play there. If you like their format; fine play there. If not; there are tons of other choices.
ovitoo
Legend
Bronze Level
You do have point there. +1. I'm just speaking personally when I say I have no cause for concern. Nothing but good things have come as a result of entrusting my money there.
edit: and to be totally of base (it's my thread so deal with it lol) Bovada just changed their estimated payout time from 15 bus days to 5-7 bus days. Awesome.
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Big_Rudy
Legend
Silver Level
Yeah, I'd have no concern playing there, either. WVH has a point. I'm sure there are bots playing there, too. But, at the end of the day, if the choice is between playing against a bunch of bots and against a table full of players who are PTRing, SharkScoping, and _______ing, and ______,ing (insert a random couple of a multitude of cheater sites here) every player at the table; I'm not sure that I don't choose to play against the bots.
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
As has already been stated > if there's a screename, it can be tracked & then proven (with anonymous #'s there's no hope for this).
Because you've had some success on the site, you know you're not being cheated? (maybe you've been fortunate with what tables you've been sitting at... how would you even know... or find out if you suspected? You can't!).
Your comment "anyone who thinks the site is cheating them just needs to get better at the game" is a joke.
a) you're not that good (imo)... 3bet/folding 1/2 your stack, getting near 4to1 & folding> showing AK is 'not that good' (hint > why 3bet there if you EVER have the intentions of folding? ... but then timing down 'forever'.. .folding & showing AK.. shows you didn't even have a plan (just an example of why I think > you're not that good).
Also, what? So you're assuming that if someone feels the site is 'cheating' them >> equals 'they are losing'? That's pretty naive (imo)
Once bodog went to 'anonymous' tables I withdrew near every penny from my roll on there (which wasn't that much because I didn't play there a whole lot before... I think it was $550 from a $50 deposit). I left $12 on my account. I figured enough for 1 CC buyin (& 1 other priv. buyin another group used to have on Bodog).
I've played ~ a dozen games since, withdrew another $1,200 & have just over $100 left on there in my account (played the $100k 4x, cashed twice).
So I should play on there.. right? Nope. I hate that site. Only games I play in are the CC games & if I get lucky enough to win a ticket to the $100k, I play it too.
"IMO" it's a goofy site. It's like you're playing poker.... but there's very little 'poker' to it. How do you play 'real' poker without any metagame? Without any exploiting of other's tendancies & weaknesses? (aside from perhaps the super obvious noob/rookie failings ie. guys opening for 3-4x in LL's, players 3bet/folding when they've priced themselves, in, etc.). You can't even follow notes on other tables... nevermind 'other games'.
It's a joke & a huge fail imo.. nothing else.
ovitoo
Legend
Bronze Level
Thank you for spending probably 45 mins to type out a rant telling me I'm not good. What a guy. Ha.
Not sure what hand you're talking about but most hands I've posted are bc I thought I played them wrong.
Thats why I came here. To learn. Apparantely you're here to berate ppl. At the end of the day I'll have friends and you will still be an asshole.
GFY
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
way to assume again (you seem to be good at that) - - I type over 90words/min. (takes me a few mins. to write that post).
You didn't post the AK hand, but it stuck out so much I couldn't miss it.
No comment about my description of the 'non-poker' site bodog? Even on Pogo you can play some metagame stuff... on bodog.. forget about it.
Did you even want to hear what others thought of the Bodog anonymous tables? (there's a HUGE thread on it already, the one I posted a link for at start of your thread. If you want to read what others think about it, try reading that thread.. if you haven't already, but if you had, seems weird you'd post here & not there?)
You didn't post the AK hand, but it stuck out so much I couldn't miss it.
No comment about my description of the 'non-poker' site bodog? Even on Pogo you can play some metagame stuff... on bodog.. forget about it.
Did you even want to hear what others thought of the Bodog anonymous tables? (there's a HUGE thread on it already, the one I posted a link for at start of your thread. If you want to read what others think about it, try reading that thread.. if you haven't already, but if you had, seems weird you'd post here & not there?)
ovitoo
Legend
Bronze Level
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Cookie65
Rising Star
Bronze Level
I've never even heard of colluding!!! The innocence of an inexperienced online player! I'm not American so I can't get into Bovada, but from what I've heard about it I'm not too dissapointed. I'll look out for any underhand play in future.
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Cookie
WEC
Legend
Silver Level
Well you really can, just sign-up with Bodog. Same Network, same exact players, same games, same Sportsbook, just under different name
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
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vitarays
Rising Star
Bronze Level
I played on Bodog before it converted, but I lived in WA at the time so signing up, getting any payout, etc was a hassle. I've since moved (but still in the US). Has any US player had any problems getting payment from Bovada, and if not, how are you usually paid and what's the minimum (check, western union, etc)?
wagon596
Legend
Bronze Level
I reall do not like the fact that I don't know who I'm playing. It really is a perfect way for colusion. Normally if I see something at a table that doesn't look right between two players I make notes to that fact. Then if some day later I'm at a table and these same two players are there and it happens again I just leave,,, just my thoughts,,,and don't tell me I'm paranoid....because I already know that !! LOL
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Big_Rudy
Legend
Silver Level
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean THEY aren't out to get you
. As you've discovered, though, collusion is everywhere, not just at Bovada. Bovada's format obviously makes it easier (assuming, and likely rightly so, that Bovada doesn't put much effort into policing such things). However, Bovada's format also makes impossible many other forms of cheating via banned software and such. In the end; it's give and take.
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Big_Rudy
Legend
Silver Level
That's just it; you don't. If the numbers remained the same, and permanently linked to specific players, it really wouldn't be anonymous at all.
ovitoo
Legend
Bronze Level
A lot of good points have been made from many itt. But you do know that if you see two players colluding at the table, then it doesn't matter if there is a name there. You just report them. Ive done it before and hopefully wont have to do it again. Just simply "players x and x at table x are doing blah blah blah". I get your point that if you sit at another table with these players you wouldnt know it. But most sites, including Bovada, take collusion pretty seriously. So just do your part and report it. If you are correct something will be done.
jolubman
Visionary
Silver Level
I like the way it is just fine. All equal, no helper apps.
I play in Monday's Cardschat tournaments. Some players post there forum name here in the thread for the game. I don't think that is wise and I don't think the forum should allow it.
I play in Monday's Cardschat tournaments. Some players post there forum name here in the thread for the game. I don't think that is wise and I don't think the forum should allow it.
long_bong
Legend
Silver Level
I don't mind when in a tourney, as everyone is numbered from the beginning so you know who they are throughout, but on their ring tables I hate it. You can never know who is who, a player can leave the table bank and sit back in 15 minutes later with tons of info still on you as long as you have not left the table, and sit down get a new number and be annonymous again. Kinda shity