BEWARE OF NEW SITES OFFERING BIG FREEROLLS PART2 - ROSSO POKER IS A FRAUD

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unconcerned

I posted the info you provided on another forum and my freinds are unconcerned. They all opened accounts there and another member is supposed to get a percentage of their winnings for first month. They are going freeroll crazy and then cash games with winnings.

They responded to my post that they would keep playing and hope the site improves its standing. I pointed out that they need to deposit before they can withdraw but still no concern. :eek: :confused:

I guess all I can do is warn them.
 
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That is pretty scary! I guess that is why I am so hesitant to try another poker site. Stars and FTP are so notable that you feel somewhat safe with your information. There have been lots of others to pop up in the last few years, but I don't trust them very much.
 
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I've thanked you before and I'll do so again.

This is precisely the sort of disemination of information a forum like this is for.

Thumbs up, Bro!
 
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Rosso...

Wow thanks for the info! No wonder I am doing so well there..looks like everyone is. freerolls just seem way to easy to cash in. Well guess my account wil just stay as is because I will never deposit any real money .
THANKS AGAIN! yankeenut23
 
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I posted the info you provided on another forum and my freinds are unconcerned. They all opened accounts there and another member is supposed to get a percentage of their winnings for first month. They are going freeroll crazy and then cash games with winnings.

They responded to my post that they would keep playing and hope the site improves its standing. I pointed out that they need to deposit before they can withdraw but still no concern. :eek: :confused:

I guess all I can do is warn them.

To be honest, i'm not surprised at all. Just look at the reaction of players to the Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet scandals - indifference basically.
 
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I have play there some won about 25.00 but Iwill not deposit there.
 
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We were as hypnotized by the enemy's propaganda as a rabbit is by a snake.
General Eric Von Ludendorf, German General Staff, 1918

"The more we do to them, the less they believe we are doing it"
-J.Mengele.
 
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your right on the money (or lack of it merlin) I had accumulated A 150.00 through their freerolls Then was informed that I needed A
"deposit history to cash out" checked into it and found out that they are truly A fraud, thx for the heads up
 
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Let me play Devil's Advocate here for a moment. This is not an endorsement at all. Perhaps it is another way to view things.

A new site arrives, knowing it will take a good long while to establish a history, and a following. They see the US market as ripe, and believe they have things set up correctly. Never mind at this point that they don't/

They have some deep pocket backers to fund the promotional freerolls, and hope to get depositors after a short while.

Any site will want to establish a personal relationship with its players. It will be necessary to verify who they are and where they are, and the easiest one-time shot at doing this is to provide it all when depositing. So the deposit requirement to me is a no brainer.

Any new site should have all the ducks lined up before launch. Deposit/ID methods, payout methods, games tested and stats available, along with who the hell they are and where they are located. They need to show they have a support staff, and if it is a small staff, give a better than good faith estimate on reply times.

They will get no new members/players unless they are looking for fools (wait, almost all sites are looking for fools, but then aren't we as players also looking for them?). So any/all players should investigate who it is they are giving their money to.

The more open a site is, the better. Any company clouded in shell corps or other fogs will never grow much. A verifiable, named CEO, or COO should be easily accessible via a posted email address via all sites. A physical address somewhere in the world, verifiable thru google maps or some such, would be comforting.

Keep in mind that like most of you, many, if not most players, don't seek a poker forum out first. They seek out a poker game first, and after a while they run across a forum reference and decide to improve their game. In that process they might run across a thread like this.

If they are not cheap, and enjoy poker for the entertainment value, they will deposit without checking anything. The only way to get info to those folks would be via the chat in the games at the sites you question. Meaning there isn't a whole lot that can happen.

I don't mind new sites, or smaller sites. They were all small once, and new too. I'd guess that the very earliest days at Stars were pretty damn chaotic.


Again, this is NOT AN ENDORSEMENT! And may not be very coherrent either........:eek:
 
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I understand your point. I have nothing intrinsically against small, new sites. I play on a few and have no issues.

Perhaps you didn't read the emails closely - here, in my view is the problem. Number 1, trust is reciprocal - I can't accept that an entity can trust me only if I can "prove" my identity and worth and I can't use the same criteria to determine their legitimacy as they would use to determine mine. When money exchanges hands I want to be sure that those who I give my money and time can actually reciprocate in kind when the time comes.

No really legitimate company will advertise an association with an internationally, well known, legitimate company for any other reason than thinking they won't be caught and that they can gain (steal) "authenticity by association" when they are not in fact legitimate.

No company can require proof of my bank account, Id etc. while having no way to pay me (remember the RossoPoker rep said herself that they DO NOT have a method for depositing or paying US players - her own words).

An "intention" to pay me is completely worthless when FIRST having no mechanism in place to actually pay me. Even if they do intend to pay, which any reasonable person would doubt from the facts, the intent without method to execute is as worthless as lack of intent with a legitimate processor on board.

Few "deep pocket", legitimate investors would knowingly buy into such a scheme and that is exactly what it is.

I became aware because of all kind of advertising floating around about thousand dollar freerolls and mention of little else. A cursory review of their website revealed a lack of intent to make good on their obligations and associations with known, legitimate companies that simply do not exist and/or on the surface appear shady.

Of course anyone can say what they like, play or deposit at any site they wish. I would not recommend or place a single cent with a site that fakes business associates (read the Price Coopers email above) and admittedly has no way to pay me read their FAQs (whether I deposit or not) if I win these "come on" freerolls and are in a "governing body" claimed to provide security for members that does not respond to inquiry, has no open method of contact, no meaningful licensing rules and for all appearances seems to be an offshore "incorporation mill".

I think the premise of your argument valid with a legitimate, businesslike site, with visible, concrete intention to conduct business in the right way. Certainly you must be aware of recent sites who have did this very thing and vanished with players hard won and deposited funds.

In this environment I think it wise to deal carefully with your money. In the U.S., the Congress could clamp down and all funds could be with held from companies capable and willing to pay - that has happened too. What can be the motive or intent of anyone who suggests in this climate don't worry, ignore the facts, trust strangers with your money and don't use basic common sense to protect yourself. I'm suspicious of anyone who would suggest such an unwise way to conduct yourself in any environment, let alone this one.

I still say play at your own risk and RossoPoker is the worst risk I've seen lately. Oh yes there is another new site offering !0,000 freerolls. I WISH I HAD MORE TIME!!!!

Merlin333:cool:

p.s. please note that they have not yet responded to the question of whether or not they have signed up with a processor to make real their intent to actually pay their obligations.
 
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Awsome Job Merlin. I am sure everyone is grateful for your private eye duties...lol Just goes to show you that you can never be to careful on where you sign up at. I think I am just going to stick with the few sites that I play on. All of these new sites coming up, and with everything going on with UB I am very leary. These poker sites can get your banking account numbers and really make things bad for people. Again thank you for checking things out.
 
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Excellent retort Merlin.

The problem is how to get this 'news' to the folks who need it most, the noobs who see pie in the sky after winning some 'cash' in a freeroll.
 
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Cash you can't get you hands on, like when people won't, don't or have "no method in place" to send it to you, isn't your cash.

A company in a business that has as a cornerstone of it's operation taking in and paying out money but due to "youthful enthusiasm", happenstance, innocent error or oops who promise to fulfill their obligations and what their ads say but just happen not to put in an accountable method for actually doing it probably has no intention of paying. A company that places the logo of "associated" companies that provides vital functions for them but when this company is alerted of this false statement instructs RossoPoker to remove this statement within 24hours clearly does not deserve my business and does not have good intentions or competent business practices.

Isn't giving them the benefit of the doubt the ultimate "chasing a hand to the river". My question is how else would they cheat me and why would I waste time and take a chance on them when there are valid, relatively safer options?

I can't figure out a reason...

Maybe it's just me, but unless they come to my home and take it, and I guarantee that is a much more difficult method than stealing it from me from miles away, they'll get none of my pennies.

Merlin333 :cool:

Tell every player post it everywhere
 
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evrybody everywhere thinks they are fraud, even if not they have to do so many things to win peoples trust. i played just once there, signed up and saw only 300 people there : ) now more people are there its said. but most are for freerolls.
 
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STAY AWAY. Not positive but pretty dam sure i picked up a trojan or the vbs loveletter virus from those a**h****... thank god for avg and others.... I dont even think they have a sec. cert.Uninstalluninstall....SamNReno:mad:
 
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Yep I posted it on 2+2, Pocket Fives, Adinfinitum,,RailBirds, sent it to Rounders, Merlin333 and here on CardsChat - I invite anyone to verify, if you like, the authenticity of the info and post it EVERYWHERE YOU CAN AND TELL ANY PLAYERS YOU KNOW. Players who find this info out must share and post it to prevent these lowlife thieves from having the nerve to think they can get away with it.

You'd think after the recent, similar episodes with Wingows, BigJuicy Odds, JunGlePoker, WMFE and others they'd at least be a little more sophisticated and at least try to hide it - what a bunch of lowlife thieves.

Merlin333:cool:

p.s. PooffyFooffy
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Pretty much you would think with all these examples people would just stay away from these "new" sites anyway. These days there are plenty of established sites where you can make easy money and take advantage of unending freerolls.

Given the wrongdoings unearthed at established sites even, it would make me stay away from these upstarts 1000x more unless it was backed by people/corporations you knew.
 
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Thanks for the info, I will uninstall this software immediately. I did play in one of their freerolls, but didn't really like the site that much. Glad you took the time to check this out and let everyone know!
 
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You might have a point

I am a member on a lot of forums, and I have heard about this rumour for quite a time now.

I have already made a deposit there and I am currently waiting for the withdrawal there, got a mail from them today and I hope I will have the money as soon as possible and I will let you know within the week whether I have received the money or not.

I know that a buddy of mine has made a withdrwal there, and he made the withdrawal without any problems, so its not definitely a scam:)

Guess its only a matter of time before we see a massive scam, at the end of the line it is money we are talking about
 
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Well I did get my money

Sure took its time, but said yesterday I would make a post whether I got my money or not. Deposited 20$ and got all my money out. I am not gonna take any stand whether Rosso is a fraud or not, but as long as I got my money I am pleased.

Be aware by the way, the activity is way too low for me to bother playing there anyway
 
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Sure took its time, but said yesterday I would make a post whether I got my money or not. Deposited 20$ and got all my money out. I am not gonna take any stand whether Rosso is a fraud or not, but as long as I got my money I am pleased.

Be aware by the way, the activity is way too low for me to bother playing there anyway

Glad you got your money back! I'm reminded of the movie "The Sting" where an important part of the con was to give the suckers a little back to instill confidence until they could make the big score......

Merlin333 :cool:
 
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thx for the head up on these new poker sites
jayman2411
 
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THanks

Thanks Merlin for all the investigating that you have done with this new poker site.. I surely appreciate the warnings that you have given not only here on this forum but others also included in your emails.

I am un installing as I type!! :)
 
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Be careful of any newer poker site that is offering freerolls that seem overly generous. Even on some of the more established sites, if you win a freeroll, you cannot cash it out until you play a certain number of raked hands. In most cases you would have to play more raked hands then the money you won on freerolls would allow for.

I know that full tilt and pokerstars don't do this...but some of the other sites do. It almost forces you to make a deposit to put in more money to win the money you won..which is pretty shameless.
 
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Rosso Poker is owned and operated by RTB Enterprises N.V.

RTB Enterprises N.V. is a limited-liability business corporation incorporated in Curacao, Dutch Antilles, and is registered and carries on business in Curacao in full compliance with Dutch Antilles law.

RTB Enterprises N.V. is licensed and regulated by the Government of Curacao, Dutch Antilles. We operate under Curacao's Casino Gaming License provided by eManagement.

All transactions except iDeal are processed by DataCash based in the United Kindom and underlying Natwest Bank for risk analysis and security. iDeal transactions are processed by DocData in the netherlands.
All player deposits are secured in RTB E-Cash a trading company based in Malta EU, bank details: Bank of Valletta p.l.c. Caonnon Road, Santa Venera SVR 9030, Malta.


look, they changed their info.

this site is very shady, stick to the main ones
 
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