Yesterday I was surfing the net looking for poker information and then this article pops up. https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/...-is-not-on-acr

I must admit it was a bit disturbing, it brings up collusion at ACR. And then on top that I was reading this interesting thread here on Cardschat today about what $20 means to people. https://www.cardschat.com/forum/comm...20-you-456192/ Some person posted that $20 was what he would earn for 2 days of work. That was more than a bit surprising to me.
Anyway the bottom line is that after reading the thread and the article it made me start to ask myself "how often is cheating occuring in online poker?"

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by stil370

Yesterday I was surfing the net looking for poker information and then this article pops up. https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/2382109/im-always-asked-where-you-can-play-poker-in-the-united-states-the-best-answer-is-not-on-acr

I must admit it was a bit disturbing, it brings up collusion at ACR. And then on top that I was reading this interesting thread here on Cardschat today about what $20 means to people. https://www.cardschat.com/forum/comm...20-you-456192/ Some person posted that $20 was what he would earn for 2 days of work. That was more than a bit surprising to me.
Anyway the bottom line is that after reading the thread and the article it made me start to ask myself "how often is cheating occuring in online poker?"

Thoughts?

The person who wrote that article I don't think did his research well enough. I don't think there's anything going on at ACR that doesn't go on at any other site. He seems like somebody who was playing above his bankroll, took one bad beat and said to hell with it, I hate poker. But that is me.

Originally Posted by Scroooob

The person who wrote that article I don't think did his research well enough. I don't think there's anything going on at ACR that doesn't go on at any other site. He seems like somebody who was playing above his bankroll, took one bad beat and said to hell with it, I hate poker. But that is me.

That could be true Scroooob. I hope it is. It's just that after reading the article, it made me uncomfortable.

ACR seems to be everyone's favorite whipping boy- and even here at CardsChat you can find those who dislike the site and those who like it.

I am quite pro ACR because I have enjoyed playing there since I joined some months ago. Its a smaller site than some and seems to suffer tech issues quite often...but...they also appear to work hard to correct them and their rep is always quick to answer in the forums.

As regards bots or other issues, yes, they admit they have faced such problems but then other sites such as Party Poker have done also. Concerning any issue, there is little which I find sets them apart (better or worse) from any other site - nothing which genuinely puts them in a more dubious light.

Loved the user interface of acr hated the bitcoin withdrawal system. I refuse to use crypto..

If it makes you feel any better, I think all their main issues stem from incompetence more than a malicious intent to defraud people.
Especially true now with an influx of new people playing, old customers cashing out at the same time, and also a general understaffing due to the virus.

As for me, the less online the poker room, the more likely it is to replace something that’s not right.
Therefore, play those where there is a lot of online and you will have fewer such thoughts. And all gambling leads to fraud.

Hello.
Of course, in poker, as in real life, you can meet scammers. Nobody is safe from this. But for me poker is a hobby and a good opportunity to have fun. Therefore, I just play, improve my skills and enjoy the game.

Originally Posted by stil370

Yesterday I was surfing the net looking for poker information and then this article pops up. https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/2382109/im-always-asked-where-you-can-play-poker-in-the-united-states-the-best-answer-is-not-on-acr

Seem to me like this is mostly an argument for regulated online poker in the US, which would of course be fine. But other than that I would take it all with a grain of salt. Did that faulty deck really happen, where is the evidence etc.

That being said ACR is not as well oiled a machine as PokerStars. I have opened an account on ACR but so far been unable to make a deposit because of some weird software error, which their support have asked me to film and send to them. So far I have not bothered, since it bodes ill for everything else.

But other sites also have issues, and if you are living in the US outside those 4 regulated states, I am not particularly convinced, any of the alternatives are any better. So you basically either cope with those issues or dont play online poker.

how I like it when you have K-K in your hands and he has AA How happy it is, I just played such a distribution Lucky that the flop was 5-5-8 So he or I would do all-in.

Originally Posted by kacca

how I like it when you have K-K in your hands and he has AA How happy it is, I just played such a distribution Lucky that the flop was 5-5-8 So he or I would do all-in.

Coolers happen in all poker games live or online. They tend to not matter in the long run, since you will be the guy with AA just as often, as you are the guy with KK.

Originally Posted by fundiver199

Coolers happen in all poker games live or online. They tend to not matter in the long run, since you will be the guy with AA just as often, as you are the guy with KK.

Yep. Just yesterday I went into a all-in with 88 against QQ and a Queen came on the flop.
Hard to be much more dead than that.
I some how ended up with a flush, and they were knocked out of the tournament. I felt kinda bad.

It clearly is possible. It’s not difficult to get 4 friends together on a 6 max table. Especially in places where $20 is 2 days of work. I’ve always had that in the back of my mind which is why I always prefer MTT

My thoughts about ACR's software isn't very popular but I think that the people are decent and do a decent job in the way that they go about addressing some of the issues that they have so some of the collusion stuff is meh, but once again the "algorithm"... LOL.

I don't understand how could it be possible ''good' poker players to whine for a poker site so much . They couldn't , cause they wouldn't be good . Let's say hypothetically there is a lot of cheating or collussion on a site , not by some or sometimes , but by many or always ,.If you are good , even with more bad beats , or even worse some cheating or bots , on the long run you will be the winner , even with less winnings . Bots don't win always , can't win all ITM spots , the house can't still most paid positions or the biggest on the long run , cause players will stop playing , being unable to have profits . Thef act that so many do continue , means these many players do have profits , more or less , do have withdrawals
But if you are not good , you will always find a reason to whine like a bi*** . I also do it sometimes , unfortunatelly , but I say that I am not good player , so my behavior is predictable , my whining against some results or against some moves/decisions by some players can be undrstood .


But this guy... Hes says he moved to England to play poker after US banned most sites , so he must be good , with a big bankroll , some badbeats shouldn't scare him . Also if he doesn't want to play there , he can play elsewhere , why start a thread trying to stop other players playing on a site . I see good poker players on forums , either pros with huge bankroll , or pros in lower stakes , also most good regs , they won't whine , not completely , disparagingly and not all the time against a site , only on some threads if there are collussion or cheting accusations by one pro against others with enough evidence , or else they don't give a sh**

This Nate/crackingaces (nice nickname , crackingaces , so he likes giving bad beats to others , sadist ) .... He says he has seen many times quads or straight flushes etc , I haven't seen these things , except if another RNG is running on the micros and another on the higher stakes . He whines for some glitches , although as far as I can see he has the starting stack and the blinds are low ,, bi**** about it , seems strange , I haven't seen such glitches ever , but even if they were existed , send the copy to the support , they will fund you back . the claim that they have a fake copy of the hand on their handshistory seems such a exaggerated lie man..

I have complaints about many players decisions , but I am not the one to dictate them how to play , they should play whatever they want , even if that frustrates me sometimes . Also , if there are some patterns in poker algorithm , we should try to learn them , memorise them , and then we will win big , it;s not diffucult at all . If 20 blinds shove in position with JJ is a winner most of the times , shouldn't this help you for the rest of your poker career or not ?? If you are clever you can identify very soon these spots and take advantage by them , winning big on the long run . Either they are riiged kind of predecided right decisions , or if they are not rigged , just right decisions , which is logical to reward you on the long run . If you cannot , the problem is with your memory , or brain disfuction , lol

You could say sth in frustration on a poker forum , especially after many bad beats , or some players colluding against you , or because you are not good , maybe a total loser , but everytime ?? That means you should stop poker , not start writing against poker (rooms or players ) , lol

Starting a thread everywhere , posting a youtube video , twitting about it , also on Facebook , Discord , everywhere starting a hatefull campaign , haven't seen this by good players , only by bi*** whiners

Originally Posted by fundiver199

Seem to me like this is mostly an argument for regulated online poker in the US, which would of course be fine. But other than that I would take it all with a grain of salt. Did that faulty deck really happen, where is the evidence etc.

That being said ACR is not as well oiled a machine as PokerStars. I have opened an account on ACR but so far been unable to make a deposit because of some weird software error, which their support have asked me to film and send to them. So far I have not bothered, since it bodes ill for everything else.

But other sites also have issues, and if you are living in the US outside those 4 regulated states, I am not particularly convinced, any of the alternatives are any better. So you basically either cope with those issues or dont play online poker.

The only reason I joined ACR was because of CardsChat - the fact they featured free rolls there got me interested and a month after joining the CardsChat I joined ACR and never looked back.

I would never claim it is not without frustrations. They have frequent technical issues for sure but appear to work to address them. Sorry to hear about your sign up problems but I would persevere. I have ongoing issues with 888 on a few fronts but can find work arounds and once I am playing (it's weird to explain) I really like the site and interface.

Like a few others above, technical mishaps aside (which is no doubt a reflection of their bootstraps operation) I do not feel anyone at ACR is taking their players for granted.

Originally Posted by jmg199

Yep. Just yesterday I went into a all-in with 88 against QQ and a Queen came on the flop.
Hard to be much more dead than that.
I some how ended up with a flush, and they were knocked out of the tournament. I felt kinda bad.

Not bad enough to give the chips back

I been playing this game for more than 15 years and definitely believe it to be a sport, for me anyway.
I cant remember the exact date of black friday but it was the worst thing to happen to poker players in the States. Ive seen so many sites come and go (mostly going) so perhaps I am beyond jaded when it comes to questioning the integrity of the rooms. I do play on ACR because for me it is the best option, its just a bit frustrating not having more choices. And I hate it when i see im the only American sitting at a 6max game w 5 Russians (and that doesnt mean they are cheating) and I see what looks like a chip dump and Im asking myself why in the world would this guy be calling a shove with J3 w/o even being short stacked. OK, so maybe Im exaggerating but you get my point.
Most times when Im playing, I dont even think about it being an "unfair" game, but when the thought creeps into the back of my mind, it just makes me uncomfortable.
On the bright side, its one of the reason I love playing in CC freerolls. I really do get a sense of community here and that everybody is playing for the right reasons.
Cheers brothers and sisters!

Originally Posted by fundiver199

Seem to me like this is mostly an argument for regulated online poker in the US, which would of course be fine. But other than that I would take it all with a grain of salt. Did that faulty deck really happen, where is the evidence etc.

That being said ACR is not as well oiled a machine as PokerStars. I have opened an account on ACR but so far been unable to make a deposit because of some weird software error, which their support have asked me to film and send to them. So far I have not bothered, since it bodes ill for everything else.

But other sites also have issues, and if you are living in the US outside those 4 regulated states, I am not particularly convinced, any of the alternatives are any better. So you basically either cope with those issues or dont play online poker.

Always appreciate your feedback fundiver. Access to pokerstars is always one of the first things that come to mind for me but that possibility doesnt exist. Hope you're safe wherever you are.