puzzlefish
student of the donk arts
Loyaler
This is something that has been discussed for years and dismissed. And now we are here.
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Online Bots and How to Solve it
One of the biggest issues in the modern world of online poker is the existence of bots and people using programming knowledge to exploit recreational and unsuspecting players. I would suggest that all poker sites cease allowing players to use HUDs. If hand histories are not readily available...
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finaltable1
Legend
Loyaler
This was obvious from the very begining of online poker... it's something simillar to robotic arm that solves captcha "i'm not a robot" puzzle.
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thejuice1
Rock Star
Platinum Level
online poker in general, but maybe no site more than ACR, has clearly been full of bots for years. i honestly dont understand why anyone would put a dime of real money anywhere online at this point. until it becomes legal in the US and fully regulated, its pointless. and the audacity of the powers that be at ACR for allowing this, and then pulling the crap they pulled this past week. ridiculous and pathetic
antonis32123
Legend
Loyaler
ACR is full of bots , more than any other online poker room , this is not news , its sth very well known to regs and not only ...... they say that the last months they have increased security measures , personally i do not believe them
Luvepoker
Lost in the twilight zone
Community Guide
I did watch the videos and still don't believe it's as big of an issue as some think it is. Now I do believe things do happen, but the sites are doing what they can to stop it. I am not Naive enough to think i know best and accurate I do question some of what was shown legitimacy.
LaNimmer
Visionary
Bronze Level
The end of days for online poker is not far off. The use of AI controlled bots that can mimic a human but have the knowledge of billions of played hands, unlimited memory, and the ability to independently learn will quickly outpace any poker sites security and card players. My opinion. I still love poker, preferably live and I will continue with freerolls (mostly all CC sponsored) but no more personal money, no deposits.
G0930
Captain Fathermucker, Satty Aficionado
Loyaler
One of the reason I never deposited there...
Made some nice profit in the Special freerolls however.. best was the 1k bounty from "Dafran" 😅
And it was supereasy to withdraw without verification
Suns of Beaches
With a Balloon to the Moon
Bronze Level
That is very, i mean very sad news for real money players there and a very wise decision of urself, not because of AI.
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Poker_Mike
Legend
Loyaler
I don't doubt that there are bots online.
In fact ACR refunded money to players who were cheated by bots.
But - the thing I don't understand is how anybody speculating knows how much money was "stolen" $10 million for example....where does that number come from?? Just a click bait number?
And just for Charlie - I have seen that kind of aggressive pushing with air early in the wsop Main Event. One player from London - another player from Montreal shoving and reshoving with complete air.
In fact ACR refunded money to players who were cheated by bots.
But - the thing I don't understand is how anybody speculating knows how much money was "stolen" $10 million for example....where does that number come from?? Just a click bait number?
And just for Charlie - I have seen that kind of aggressive pushing with air early in the wsop Main Event. One player from London - another player from Montreal shoving and reshoving with complete air.
Bummy
Rock Star
Platinum Level
Online poker, like other sports, can make a lot of money if you run a lot of games or tournaments for some groups, companies that are completely made of bots, but the prize is provided by the platform. Like eSports, when some teams play in a tournament, and the bookies pay the entire team for the desired results, and then they take back ten times more money on bets.
silentshowdown
Rock Star
Silver Level
Oh my gosh, another scandal after GG!
The rise of AI indeed casts a shadow of uncertainty over the future of online poker. I sincerely hope that all major poker sites will continue to enhance their security measures.
The rise of AI indeed casts a shadow of uncertainty over the future of online poker. I sincerely hope that all major poker sites will continue to enhance their security measures.
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oroochimaru
Rock Star
Bronze Level
With millions of hands played every day, it is currently impossible to have adequate security to look into them all. However, perhaps in the future, when AI has access to hands, it will be able to recognize trends. The AI should be able to identify hands that are repeatedly played wrong but win significantly more than expected, just like the solver algorithms state that this hand vs this range should take this action. It should then be able to flag these hands for human evaluation. It wouldn't have to go through each player's hand. Just having it on there reviewing the higher stakes and larger buy in victories for all stakes to start.
S3mper
Poker Not Checkers
Loyaler
The figure comes from the collective winnings of all the suspected bot accounts SharkScopes.
takinitSLEAZEE
Legend
Loyaler
I've got $100K (in PS's.net currency) for anyone who can build me a site that has aaaaaalllllllll the cyber-security required to prevent any and all forms of nefarious activity from occurring in online poker rooms. Phuk it, make it, ahem, one meeeellion. 🦹♂️ The bots are taking over! 
Just as I helped predict, along w/the rest of the world. Bastardos...
Okay, here's the other side of the coin, I suppose. From what I've heard from Polk and Berkey is that apparently all money is good money, no matter where the rake comes from. It's not a "super-user" or some douchebag using a "God mode" program to see hole cards. It's simply another avatar at the table playing poker via a buy-in/rake. This would start the real downfall of online gaming, imo.
I personally do not care if bots are used or not. They can be beaten, trust me. I think it pisses players off that do deposit and play one or two tables and seem not to be able to find that winning edge, so they blame the bot or some other form of site misusage, according to some other threads/posts I've read over the years. But, if integrity exists in online gaming, especially poker, then this "issue" needs to be dealt with and swiftly. All hail the brick-n-mortar feltic stage! 🏪 👍
Just as I helped predict, along w/the rest of the world. Bastardos...Okay, here's the other side of the coin, I suppose. From what I've heard from Polk and Berkey is that apparently all money is good money, no matter where the rake comes from. It's not a "super-user" or some douchebag using a "God mode" program to see hole cards. It's simply another avatar at the table playing poker via a buy-in/rake. This would start the real downfall of online gaming, imo.
I personally do not care if bots are used or not. They can be beaten, trust me. I think it pisses players off that do deposit and play one or two tables and seem not to be able to find that winning edge, so they blame the bot or some other form of site misusage, according to some other threads/posts I've read over the years. But, if integrity exists in online gaming, especially poker, then this "issue" needs to be dealt with and swiftly. All hail the brick-n-mortar feltic stage! 🏪 👍
I Live Poker
Legend
Platinum Level
That was to end the matter! The most important issue for me is the one you mentioned, if sites are doing their best, have no involvement in it and work to build tools and exclude cheaters, that's great for me.I've got $100K (in PS's.net currency) for anyone who can build me a site that has aaaaaalllllllll the cyber-security required to prevent any and all forms of nefarious activity from occurring in online poker rooms. Phuk it, make it, ahem, one meeeellion. 🦹♂️ The bots are taking over!
Okay, here's the other side of the coin, I suppose. From what I've heard from Polk and Berkey is that apparently all money is good money, no matter where the rake comes from. It's not a "super-user" or some douchebag using a "God mode" program to see hole cards. It's simply another avatar at the table playing poker via a buy-in/rake. This would start the real downfall of online gaming, imo.
I personally do not care if bots are used or not. They can be beaten, trust me. I think it pisses players off that do deposit and play one or two tables and seem not to be able to find that winning edge, so they blame the bot or some other form of site misusage, according to some other threads/posts I've read over the years. But, if integrity exists in online gaming, especially poker, then this "issue" needs to be dealt with and swiftly. All hail the brick-n-mortar feltic stage! 🏪 👍
This isn't just in poker, any activity on the face of the earth will have cheaters, and certainly at some point they will get screwed.
I think that the issue of security should not be addressed on the programming side, but rather on the human side.