It's Official - Republican Platform anti Poker

[hackmeplz]

To the Republicans who believe that lower taxes will make more work....Prove that it has ever worked.

The burden of proof should be on those who want to take money that is rightfully earned, not on those who simply want to keep what they make.

 

[Bowman]

Safe Internet Browsing

First I really do think the internet is not good for kids. Unless using a PC from the local library or while at school. Otherwise there are programs that need to be used at the home to prevent children from accessing applications that are made for adults.
To ban poker because of this, well online poker is ridiculous. Now I know lot of families don't know of programs that block or restrict internet access for those who are under age but if you read your PC manual, there will be a section on this. So follow this guidlines and maybe learn what your pc is capable of before letting your children play around on it and there will be no reason to block online gambling.
Parents need to know there are free programs that will restrict programs. I use to work at a hospital, they would let you go online but it was very hard to do things that were blocked. They can't allow hackers so they had a security system in place. Should do the same thing at home. Million of ways to block content, including your router, modem, pc itself and all the thousands of programs available.
I would like this to be at the least tried first then see what you think. Don't just let your kids turn the pc on and surf awasy, learn if first. See what the capabilities are of a pc. Learn how to use it so you can have control instead of being unaware.

 

[dj11]

The burden of proof should be on those who want to take money that is rightfully earned, not on those who simply want to keep what they make.

The proof for higher taxes and bigger government spending is easy to produce.

The whole government run and controlled work programs of the 1930's come to mind, and then, oh yeah, the early years of the space program.... Social Security originally was intended to be totally solvent forever. It achieved that in the late 60's, and immediately started getting raided by fiscal conservatives. Had they not touched it, other than perhaps allowing some investment quality tools, the USA today would have complete health care under the SS umbrella. There really was that much surplus in 1970.

Trickle down looks good on paper, but has never been shown to work. Can you spell NEVER!

 

[xdeucesx]

Am enjoying this discussion. I just wiped out a long, ramble about 'everything' and decided the answer is still 42.

Fresh ramble.

The economy of the world will need a whole new paradigm soon. Either that or a huge plague or massive nuclear war that doesn't wipe out the human race. Even as we approach 1 Trillion humans on this planet, most are content with life. Yeah yeah, millions have little to nothing of consequence, but overall much of that can be attributed to local conditions. IN the developed world, most folks have what they need, and the whole economy tends to boil down to what do we all want.

Need is covered, want is not covered yet. Close but not yet.

Sort of boils down to what do the people of the world do? With machines doing more and more of the work, what will the people do? It will soon, give or take a dozen years, be a world being maintained by machines, not so much people.

Remember the Ludites?

IMHO, the world can not provide the number of jobs needed, and this will not improve. So what do the people do in the not so distant future? I envision masses upon masses of idle humans, fed and content for the most part, but with nothing to do other than sit idly at their screens absorbing data.

To the Republicans who believe that lower taxes will make more work....Prove that it has ever worked.

not trying to de-rail anymore then already present, but


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[cardriverx]

Presidents in their second terms can actually enact programs that they fully support individually, as they do not have to worry about getting re-elected. One of the reasons I'd vote for Obama. Obama has had to worry about re-election these last four years, but, if reelected, he would be able to do what he wants to do with few repercussions.

Now, whether that includes online poker is to be seen, but I'd rather have Obama in his second term than Romney in his first.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

The burden of proof should be on those who want to take money that is rightfully earned, not on those who simply want to keep what they make.

Challenge accepted!

Higher top marginal income tax rate correlate with higher growth rate over the last 60 years.

TBH, I don't actually believe that increasing taxes would magically create growth (*) but the voodoo economics notion that slashing taxes on the rich trickles downs by boosting the economy is in total contradiction with the facts.


(*) even though there's a good argument to support that increasing tax progressiveness now would boost demand and therefore boost growth in the current economy as it temporarily suffers from a lack of aggregate demand.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

take money that is rightfully earned

Also, if you believe that the state does not rightfully deserve a share of what you earn, try setting up a business in Somalia and you'll soon figure out how public goods like safety, infrastructure, a healthy and educated workforce, ... matter tremendously and are actually indispensable prerequisites on you earning this money. Taxation to provide these public goods is actually a much better deal than anything you might buy from the private sector.

If you really believe that's not true, feel free to move to Somalia.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Another good argument for raising taxes is that arguably, the major issue with the US economy now is that government has shrunk way too much.

Private sector job recovery under Obama has been quite good actually. Much better than under Bush. The main reason unemployment has not decreased nearly enough is that at the same time public sector jobs has decreased quite a bit, while they should probably have grown a bit to keep up with working age population growth.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Note that the numbers and charts I quote are usually in total contradiction with the conventional wisdom you hear in the media. The numbers and charts are correct. Conventional wisdom is not. And the media really don't have a liberal bias anymore.

 

[xdeucesx]

Note that the numbers and charts I quote are usually in total contradiction with the conventional wisdom you hear in the media. The numbers and charts are correct. Conventional wisdom is not. And the media really don't have a liberal bias anymore (lol) .

no offense Belg, not trying to have a huge debate about economics itt, but media is obviously biased (at least in the states).

TV- huge liberal bias
radio- huge conservative bias
newspaper- varies

The media is just like any other organization, they have a goal and objective which they want others to believe in

 

[nightmoves44]

voters

Our government is way too big,and out of control.We have created a monster,thats very hungry.We all have to come together,and try to fix this,but I really don't see it happening.
We are actually heading down the same path as germany,and we all know how that turned out.
Allowing Congress to vote their own raises,over regulation,over taxed,most of the population,not paying taxes..government in every aspect of our lives..I could go on and on....who can fix it?

 

[Reptar7]

The parties are pretty much both split on this issue. I know some people think it is immoral, but isn't it more immoral to cut social welfare programs than it is to let people gamble? We need money and this would bring in billions. I can't believe that they don't realize this.

 

[always2away]

Wow. So many trees I lose sight of the forest.

Our lovely America as established by the founding documents of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution was a brilliant, flawed, entirely unique approach to governance, that provided for liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all (except slaves-go back to the flawed part).

None of us would be having this discussion if we had not abandoned these documents as our absolute guides, starting with the war of northern aggression. This was followed by about 150 years of ever-broadening fascism (which, by the way, is neither a left-wing nor a right-wing dominated pursuit. Look to Nazi Germany for left-wing fascism and Mussolini's Italy for right-wing fascism, occurring at the same time and they got along famously well).

We now find ourselves genuinely polarized into competing camps of fascism.

Our current federal government is bloated by about 300% in programs and pursuits that are flatly unconstitutional (read ILLEGAL).

Ever wonder why, prior to the civil war, no one would have dreamed of telling you what you could eat, drink, smoke, or how to recreate? Your rights ended where their rights began, and theirs ended where yours began. It was, and technically still is, up to the individual states to decide if they wanted to make laws regarding your morality.

We are almost helplessly enmired in a choice between left-wing fascism with Obama or right-wing fascism with Romney.

I have not decided whether being a one-issue voter is pathetic or brilliant. I am pretty sure that if I choose to be a one-issue voter, poker will not be that issue.

 

[Loonbat]

First, I must say I did not read all the posts so I apologize if I steal someone else's position.

The GOP constantly preaches against smaller government UNLESS it is legislation by which they act as the "moral majority". Legislation which regulates human behavior is considered good by current GOP ideals ... legislation which regulates business is considered bad.

This is NOT the same republican party which existed prior to Reagan.

 

[taaron]

in! for the massive headache that is usa politics

 

[Charade You Are]

The GOP constantly preaches against smaller government UNLESS it is legislation by which they act as the "moral majority". Legislation which regulates human behavior is considered good by current GOP ideals ... legislation which regulates business is considered bad.

This is NOT the same republican party which existed prior to Reagan.

Simple and to the point! Except I could take issue with them as the "moral majority".

How is this any different than the DNCs position?

On-line Poker will certainly not determine my choice in voting, either way ... our future and country's future is more important.

DNC's platform as promised. Silent on online poker/gaming/gambling:

http://assets.dstatic.org/dnc-platform/2012-National-Platform.pdf

 

[BelgoSuisse]

TV- huge liberal bias

Seriously? Have you ever watched Fox News?

But even for the other networks, if a presidential candidate today proposed to enact the policies of the Nixon administration, he would be labeled a dangerous socialist.

Our government is way too big,and out of control.We have created a monster,thats very hungry.We all have to come together,and try to fix this,but I really don't see it happening.
We are actually heading down the same path as germany,and we all know how that turned out.
Allowing Congress to vote their own raises,over regulation,over taxed,most of the population,not paying taxes..government in every aspect of our lives..I could go on and on....who can fix it?

So many republican talking points in so few words, and most of them flat out wrong.

When you refer to germany, i guess you refer to pre-hitlerian germany? the Germany that had a much smaller government than the US or any democracy today and that fell into severe economic depression when Heinrich Brüning decided to impose harsh austerity and cut this already small government, which lead to the rise of nazis? I don't quite see how that helps your point.

starting with the war of northern aggression.

That would be the american civil war??? Wow. Just wow.

 

[hackmeplz]

That would be the american civil war??? Wow. Just wow.

How do you think the (American) civil war started? What do you think the fight was about?

Hint: it wasn't slaves.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

How do you think the (American) civil war started?

The Confederates attacked the US army in Fort Sumter.

Because they didn't like the results of the presidential election.

And because they did not quite grasp what "Perpertual Union" meant. I guess perpetual is a pretty big word.

 

[duggs]

Belgo i have enjoyed all of your posts in this thread

 

[dj11]

Being the liberal that I am, and seeking knowledge being important, I have actually been watching Fox News more than MSNBC. I know what MSNBC is gonna say.

I have been surprised that since the Murdock thing, Fox has calmed down quite a bit. They are not as loud, nor as angry as I remember them. MSNBC on the other hand has not toned down much. Each, according to the other, is misstating nearly everything

On the radio, the only liberal (barely at that) radio I can think of is PBS. All other radio talk that I can pick up that is not just weather and traffic, tends to be very conservative, if not even further right than that. Radio is drive time and everyone listens to it when in their cars. TV is mostly local events until you get to the weird channels like the PBS news hour or Al Jezera (actually the best world news I can find).

All in all the summary someone produced earlier ITT is pretty much spot on here in Sunny So.Cal.

 

[xdeucesx]

Seriously? Have you ever watched Fox News?

But even for the other networks, if a presidential candidate today proposed to enact the

It's one tv network


i'll link it when I get home, UCLA did a study on the top 21 tv networks in the USA, with 19 of them having obvious liberal tendencies and bias, while 2 (Fox and Christian Broadcasting) having obvious conservative tendencies


No offense, but if your not from the states, you don't understand our political mentality clearly. Were not liberal like European countries and couldn't possibly support that style of government. Our population tends to be about 10x any individual country and geographically, were much larger than that even. We fought a war over this about 240 years ago and alot of those same principles still apply today to our society.

As for the "war of northern aggression comment", that's just lol

 

[norriscjn]

This is why i dont vote. No matter what i vote the same crap will happen. We really dont have a choice. When are people really going to understand that. We are here just for the ride.

 

[Charade You Are]

We fought a war over this about 240 years ago and alot of those same principles still apply today to our society

They should but they don't.

Another difference the US has versus European countries--for the most part we are much more diverse and getting more diverse.

As for the civil war, I'm no longer sure the North winning was a good thing.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

No offense, but if your not from the states, you don't understand our political mentality clearly.

I'm not from the States but I did live there for a short time. And I arguably MIT and Harvard are not exactly representative of the whole country, I do get that.