duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
seems perfectly reasonable to discuss other players value to society, but not yours?
seems perfectly reasonable to discuss other players value to society, but not yours?
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Marginal
Junior Member
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Marginal
Junior Member
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Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
Pretty sure the thread wasn't about 'me' (not everything is about 'me'... might want to think about that)
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
pretty sure this thread isn't about dan colemans contribution to the world, but its a thread it goes where it goes.
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Marginal
Junior Member
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Shumkoolie
Legend
Silver Level
I think people have. Remember, Black Friday was over three years ago now and I'm certain Hellmuth took his share of the heat. But the poker landscape has changed and think about this.
The wsop continues to grow.
There are smaller-scale tours for those who can't afford to play the WSOP (ie: HPT).
The move for legalized online poker in the US continues to pick up steam (notwithstanding Ultimate's leaving the Nevada market).
It's not like there's a poker boom, but I think things are looking up for the future.
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badalhoco345
Visionary
Silver Level
Daniel Colman could have all the reason in the world but that does not gives you the permission to say the things that he saids about Phill or any other guy. I'm not a fan of Phill Helmuth but we have to put our foots on earth sometimes. We are all diferentes with the common pleasure with poker. It was bad.
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
GFC was in 07 which is 7 years ago now but people haven't stopped blaming bankers yet, why does he get off so easily?
Four Dogs
Legend
Silver Level
Yeah but the object of poker is to win money not bracelets. He's cashed for about $23 million to Helmuths $18 and he's only 23. He's definitely got the chops. Still, this self righteous shtick of his is starting to get old and even seems a little vain. If it's wrong to take advantage of less skilled players you should get morality points for feeling guilty about doing it.
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A2345Razz
Legend
Silver Level
For the same reason no one should really get on Ivey about FTP...
They are just paid shills who don't have anything to do with the operations of the corporations behind the skins. Should he have known more....maybe...but I can't get on the players who for the first time had an opportunity to make a buck outside poker.
Now, the Lock pros is a completely different story.....
Some things are ambiguous others are not. There are a lot of grey areas, but I don't think Hellmuth actually knew as much as people assume that want to bash him. He has a pretty sterling history of gambling/loaning/his word being golden for a quarter century now in poker. That means something; if he was a dead-beat scumbag, we'd have heard about it now outside the UB situation.
Shumkoolie
Legend
Silver Level
^^^ +1
Though you have to wonder though if pressed, what would Dan Colman say about that, especially in light of some of the other recent controversies Ivey has been involved with. At least with Hellmuth, that's the only thing anybody really has on him.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
It seems like no one bashing Coleman has actually read what he's written.
So you should realize that those of us that have find it absurd when you say "he seems like a douche" etc. Yes he says profits off a game that he isn't 100% sure is morally/ethically reasonable. He also says he hasn't come to terms with it, and that while it's how he makes money, it still bothers him.
He's a ****ing kid, trying to figure out his own views of the world, and many itt are acting like all he's done is played poker and then taken a dump on the entire game.
Again, if you read what he's actually written, you would know this isn't true.
As for his supposed shunning of the media, he's been demonized by poker news outlets because he's not giving them "the show" they want. Any bias there? Nawwwwwwww definitely not...
Whether it's right or not for Colman to call out Phil Hellmuth for his admittedly spotlight-grabbing and childish behavior is beyond the scope of this post. But if it's not right for Colman to do it, I don't think it's any more right for anyone here to call out Colman.
So you should realize that those of us that have find it absurd when you say "he seems like a douche" etc. Yes he says profits off a game that he isn't 100% sure is morally/ethically reasonable. He also says he hasn't come to terms with it, and that while it's how he makes money, it still bothers him.
He's a ****ing kid, trying to figure out his own views of the world, and many itt are acting like all he's done is played poker and then taken a dump on the entire game.
Again, if you read what he's actually written, you would know this isn't true.
As for his supposed shunning of the media, he's been demonized by poker news outlets because he's not giving them "the show" they want. Any bias there? Nawwwwwwww definitely not...
Whether it's right or not for Colman to call out Phil Hellmuth for his admittedly spotlight-grabbing and childish behavior is beyond the scope of this post. But if it's not right for Colman to do it, I don't think it's any more right for anyone here to call out Colman.
dj11
Legend
Silver Level
When DC opened the can of worms by dissing PH, he opened the can that he is in as well. So, the cans are opened, and we get to choose which of those opened cans we consider remarkable.
In the end it sort of boils down to common courtesies and good sense, and DC showed neither IMHO.
A2345Razz
Legend
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Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
How judgmental can you honestly be about how someone posts on the internet? His "dissing" of Phil isn't all that extreme relative to the environment it was posted in, and all of the statements have reasonable merit. If you're going to try to deny them all, I would welcome the chance to watch that attempt.
Also, what the hell are you talking about with cans of worms? You're saying because Dan Colman started judging Phil Hellmuth, that means you should be judging Colman? ..... Does that mean I should start judging you? I honestly have no idea what point you're trying to make here.
Lastly, common courtesy to what? Apparently free speech isn't a thing for him (but it exists for all of us here to trash on Dan Colman). I have no clue what you mean by good sense. You make it sound like it was contrary to Colman's own interests to post that stuff. I don't think it was particularly "good sense" or "bad sense." Kind of just seems like you want to be contrarian with that remark.
dj11
Legend
Silver Level
Lol, 'lets take the left foot out and put the right foot in';
https://www.cardschat.com/news/daniel-colman-retracts-phil-hellmuth-rant-sort-8221
https://www.cardschat.com/news/daniel-colman-retracts-phil-hellmuth-rant-sort-8221