Shells
Moderator
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Take a look at the video included in Joeisi's post. pokerstars has a brief explanation as to how their RNG works.
Take a look at the video included in Joeisi's post. pokerstars has a brief explanation as to how their RNG works.
0546474
Legend
Loyaler
I think that poker sites simply do not make sense to deceive their customers, moreover, they are primarily interested in the honest game since they get their percentage, regardless of whether you won or lost !!!
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Pulsar
Rock Star
Silver Level
I also think that the RNG "is very much a tricky subject." After all, it's no secret that tournaments on poker stars go for a certain time, i.e. the time of the tournament is limited and therefore large stacks, often on garbage, knock out small stacks with stronger cards and everyone sees both "moving" and "badbits", etc. And this phenomenon is not a single - this is a system that I think is pre-laid in the RNG!
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UncleConRon
Visionary
Silver Level
My opinion
Random Number Generators are made from equations with large prime numbers that span the whole number you divide by. Span means all numbers can be hit. You need surveillance to add an interrupt where human error is added. This is done by surveillance choosing a number from the random number generator but not associating it with a card. Then you deal normally. Heres the problem. People can know a passcode to by pass the random number generator and deal your self good hole cards. This can look even more better with the help of software like Jivago. Deal these cards to me they are do. Don't think it happens but sometimes you wonder because the situations always seems one sided for you or against you. Maybe they see your cards like you see your cards. I don't know but I do know they play those cards and seem like they always get the positive situation. situations should be reversed to if they play shady hole cards. To The Rake.
Random Number Generators are made from equations with large prime numbers that span the whole number you divide by. Span means all numbers can be hit. You need surveillance to add an interrupt where human error is added. This is done by surveillance choosing a number from the random number generator but not associating it with a card. Then you deal normally. Heres the problem. People can know a passcode to by pass the random number generator and deal your self good hole cards. This can look even more better with the help of software like Jivago. Deal these cards to me they are do. Don't think it happens but sometimes you wonder because the situations always seems one sided for you or against you. Maybe they see your cards like you see your cards. I don't know but I do know they play those cards and seem like they always get the positive situation. situations should be reversed to if they play shady hole cards. To The Rake.
millya5
Legend
Bronze Level
We play Lotto! Think for yourself! if a live tournament of 5,000 players takes about 3-5 days maybe more! and our tournament takes 8-9 hours !!! that says it all !!! it's all lotto tune !!!
johnwat2
Legend
Platinum Level
I really, really hope that an RNG is truly that, however, I cannot believe how many paint pocket pairs I lose to ace rag. Happens too many times to be random. I know, I know bad beats happen. I can accept that and do, but it happens way too frequently in my opinion. Also happens way too frequently with 2 and 3 outers,
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johnwat2
Legend
Platinum Level
Hope so, I play at Blackchip and from time to time I feel they change their RNG system. I swear I can detect when they change. and I have seen other posts with the same feelings.
Just my opinion.
okeedokalee
Glory To Ukraine
Loyaler
Are the cards dealt from the those remaining in a 52 card pack as it would be in a home game.
If not then poker maths becomes irrelevant to a large extent. You can't say so many cards have been dealt, therefore this number of cards remain to make a hand. It has become a 52 card new pack.
Does the RNG take out those made available to the table pre-flop and only random generate those remaining cards for future streets?
If not then poker maths becomes irrelevant to a large extent. You can't say so many cards have been dealt, therefore this number of cards remain to make a hand. It has become a 52 card new pack.
Does the RNG take out those made available to the table pre-flop and only random generate those remaining cards for future streets?
KristaK
Visionary
Silver Level
Being a liberal arts student we deal with statistical packages (SPSS) in research and require a RNG (random number generator) to generate pure random numbers on occasion, most random numbers used in computer programs are pseudo-random, which means they are generated in a predictable fashion using a mathematical formula, algorithms
It is difficult to get a computer to do something by chance. A computer follows its instructions blindly and is therefore completely predictable.
This is actually usually just fine. However to be 100% non-predictable some sort of base needs to be established that can not be duplicated or predicted.
The one we used was from the atomic clock and 10,000th of a second.. so in simple terms when i want a random number i click and at that 10,000th of a second, the computer uses that point as the base and starts it calculation.. no one could never hit that exact time to predict the outcome
Some other RNGs use white noise, or others the decay of radioactive material. It's all a fascinating area, specially valuable to the military & intelligence agencies for making secret unbreakable codes.
I looked into PokerStars RNG and spoke to their games integrity people, they very happy help and explain things... I have complete faith it's an honest and random system used to shuffle & deal them devil cards
Kenzie 96
Legend
Loyaler
Exactly my point I have been trying to state concerning the "randomness" of a PRE PROGRAMMED site! If it's "pre" programmed, then how can it possibly be "random"?Oh, it CAN'T be! Happy Holidays and keep on playin' those aces online...there's 10 per deck>>>(joking, so please, people out there, don't ATTACK me for that remark)
I thought OMG here we go again, another fish who thinks the poker sites use more than a 6 Ace deck.
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Roger1960
Legend
Silver Level
The biggest thing about this subject is you can not take into account for the players on what cards they play. If though like Pacman you can memorize what cards will come by in a certain rotation, you can know what card is next.
It would make sense when you see someone not play a lot of hands and then play really bad cards out of position and say beat a full house with a str flush using only their 3. lol
It would make sense when you see someone not play a lot of hands and then play really bad cards out of position and say beat a full house with a str flush using only their 3. lol
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Sp0own
Rock Star
Silver Level
It feels exactly how you described it. Usually in the normal online tournament the levels last less than live tournaments, Sometimes it feels that cards are dealt exactly to get action.
Whaevoz
Legend
Platinum Level
There's no such thing as a true RANDOM number generator, as they all have to be seeded in some manner.
The difficulty, from a coding perspective, is not how to create a shuffle that significantly increases the action and thereby the rake (that's real easy), but instead to do so in a manner that creates the illusion of true randomness and fairness.
The difficulty, from a coding perspective, is not how to create a shuffle that significantly increases the action and thereby the rake (that's real easy), but instead to do so in a manner that creates the illusion of true randomness and fairness.
Cajin007
Visionary
Silver Level
Well, after looking and reading, i won't be playing on CoinPoker anytime soon.
Theory is sound, and code looks good, but given enough time it will be cracked. When it is cracked, whoever does it will never disclose the crack and will use the information for personal gain.
Seriously, 3,000$ to prove it can be cracked?
Person who cracks it could easily make that, and ten times more before it would ever be discovered.
Sad part is, the algorithms they use is probably a industry standard, and they just boned us all.
Theory is sound, and code looks good, but given enough time it will be cracked. When it is cracked, whoever does it will never disclose the crack and will use the information for personal gain.
Seriously, 3,000$ to prove it can be cracked?
Person who cracks it could easily make that, and ten times more before it would ever be discovered.
Sad part is, the algorithms they use is probably a industry standard, and they just boned us all.
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Izfensina
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I am still Skeptic when it comes to PokerStars or 888 Poker where I play the most I still believe that the game is rigged when we are 3 or 4 way pot and each one get a piece of the flop the one with an over pair, the straight draw ,the Flush draw and the low set get all there and the one who goes all in get's busted by the first one to call his all in and who will ship the hand and get all the chips I wonder if it's not rigged.
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Millie232
Rock Star
Silver Level
I always thought they used cosmic background radiation to generate a random pattern that they use to sort a deck (like the very popular online tool that generates numbers). Either that or use a combination of the player's mouse movements or something. I never doubted the RNG on popular websites, and I have close to a million hands logged that verify they are pretty much perfectly random.
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Zibest
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Partypoker
hi,
In all of the live games i have played i have never seen the ammount of bad beats i have seen online on partypoker, i mean ppl literally come back from the dead with a turn and river so many times its just unreal!!
hi,
In all of the live games i have played i have never seen the ammount of bad beats i have seen online on partypoker, i mean ppl literally come back from the dead with a turn and river so many times its just unreal!!
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CrimsonKroc5309
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Sure as hell won't be WPN...they know they arent above board!