Anyone see the 60 minutes on online poker cheating?

[Jhon Lozano]

Of course there are programs like this, even people who make these programs; But you have to understand that companies like pokerstars and 888, have their own defenses and are sites that earn a lot of money, can afford good programmers.

 

[daniv92]

I think such programs have existed for a long time, but they will be put up for sale. They write either specifically for order and pay for it a few "zeros" of money, or they are written by programmers / hackers for their own purposes

 

[Jared rich]

cheating online has always worried me!

 

[shinjibe]

I've heard of this on absolute poker and Ultimate Bet. Some insiders made millions from software that exposed hole cards.

It is the most worrying thing in online poker.

 

[bigjay2007]

I wouldn't be so hasty to brush this off. There are millions of smart criminals out there trying to cheat or scam people for money. I can guarantee you that there are hundreds of people trying g to find out how to hack a sites security firewalls as we speak.

 

[HennieP]

A few years ago there was much media attention to this issue when some guy released a trojan that, when installed on someone's computer, could send information back to the cheater, effectively enabling him to see their hands.

So yes, someone can end up knowing your cards. But to do so they would first have to get you to install some software on your computer or open e-mail attachments that you are unfamiliar with. I doubt many people will install programs or open e-mails from complete strangers.

So in order for the cheater's plan to work he would have to target family and friends who would trust him enough to fall for this. Unfortunately there are people who are not computer savvy and will open anything on the internet. This is why it's important to regularly check for viruses and malware.

Without a trojan or something like that nobody that is not working for the poker site can ever see your cards. So don't download dodgy software and don't open e-mail attachments from unknown senders. And because it's important I'll say it again. Keep your anti-virus up to date and do regular scans.

 

[darthdimsky]

A few years ago there was much media attention to this issue when some guy released a trojan that, when installed on someone's computer, could send information back to the cheater, effectively enabling him to see their hands.

So yes, someone can end up knowing your cards. But to do so they would first have to get you to install some software on your computer or open e-mail attachments that you are unfamiliar with. I doubt many people will install programs or open e-mails from complete strangers.

So in order for the cheater's plan to work he would have to target family and friends who would trust him enough to fall for this. Unfortunately there are people who are not computer savvy and will open anything on the internet. This is why it's important to regularly check for viruses and malware.

Without a trojan or something like that nobody that is not working for the poker site can ever see your cards. So don't download dodgy software and don't open e-mail attachments from unknown senders. And because it's important I'll say it again. Keep your anti-virus up to date and do regular scans.

+1 I was about to mention the trojan too.

You just have to take care of your PC against threats as you normally do for any other virus. It should be safe.

Please don't automatically assume PS and other gaming sites can detect software like this on a computer because they cannot be held liable for losses incurred as a result of a third party software (malware really) that was installed on your PC without their recommendation. Don't be suprised if they say they cannot be held responsible for losses incurred as a result of such a trojan.

PS blocks software that gives the user an unfair edge because of this software is well known among players and have certain code or signatures that can be detected by PS. Either that or the PS client itself is a form of malware that reads the processes your computer runs and reports on those that are immediately found to their Integrity team. They may not have an ability to detect trojans, especially newer ones that even Kaspersky and Macafee labs might have a difficulty figuring out initially.

Their primary areas of focus should be on issues like collusion, unfair edges over other upcoming tools and any attempts to compromise the actual client.

 

[BenjiHustle]

Sidenote: Aside from the 60 minutes piece, there was a documentary called UltimateBeat, which I believe the piece references.

This is all about UB superusers, as has been previously mentioned. This is no longer an issue, but could come up again someday, so if you watch UltimateBeat, just learn from their experiences and be on the lookout.

 

[Navin Sarabjeet]

Thanks for all the warning folks.
I suspected something like this in the past, but never really saw any proof.
Now i can see why sometimes i get these unbelievable bad beats only on online poker

I hope they do something about these sort of things

 

[BenjiHustle]

Thanks for all the warning folks.
I suspected something like this in the past, but never really saw any proof.
Now i can see why sometimes i get these unbelievable bad beats only on online poker

I hope they do something about these sort of things

I think you missed the part about this not being an issue any longer.

 

[frederixo]

In last since 2005 pokerstars was cheating , only one version , was manipulate by bots , i saw one documentary

 

[Navin Sarabjeet]

I think you missed the part about this not being an issue any longer.

yup i definitely missed that part
thanks though

 

[Blackout09]

Is it on youtube so i can check it out?

 

[vic75]

I read an article about the owner of absolute poker cheating to get back overlay money lost from guaranteed tournaments..The money ran out and he went back to the U.S. to face charges. The big three 888 PS and PP are serious companies and know every trick in the book when it comes to cheating.

 

[beantownmaniac]

I think you could check the archives of 60 Minutes on CBS.com to find the piece.

 

[gagagang]

The only software that can do this has to be installed on your computer and is not site software specific

 

[CHILOWWW]

I have not seen them but it is true that you say them are really ****ed and I hope I just do not find one of these cheaters players

 

[Aparajit]

I read an article about the owner of absolute poker cheating to get back overlay money lost from guaranteed tournaments..The money ran out and he went back to the U.S. to face charges. The big three 888 PS and PP are serious companies and know every trick in the book when it comes to cheating.

Yes its right. I believe you

 

[wagon596]

I believe you were probably watching an old show. It was most likely talking about Ultimate Bet Poker Room where a former high ranking employee had set up a backdoor to be able to see everyone's hole cards.

 

[Reprise]

All the more reasons to avoid smaller, shadier sites. I believe there a more safeguards in place for the larger poker sites that are public companies. Not to say it can't happen but less likely.

I recall that scandal.. think the superuser with access to everyone's holecards was 'POTRIPPER'. I actually played on that site (absolute poker) at the time and man do I have stories.

 

[wagon596]

All the more reasons to avoid smaller, shadier sites. I believe there a more safeguards in place for the larger poker sites that are public companies. Not to say it can't happen but less likely.

I recall that scandal.. think the superuser with access to everyone's holecards was 'POTRIPPER'. I actually played on that site (absolute poker) at the time and man do I have stories.

Yea Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker Rooms were on the same network.

 

[UberKadet]

i do remember a women player being accused of having ability to see hole card with 15 min delay

 

[UberKadet]

if it is iinstalled can the poker site pik it out immediately or only after they pik up some pattern of winning do they investigate to see if anything is up ???

 

[UberKadet]

yea i remember watching that. i play on 888, pokerstars and betonline...are both site totally safe of this cheating ???

One thing i have noticed on most sites is that when u join initially u do win a few tables and then once u start withdrawing the cash thats when every game after that u will looose. i lost all the money i had made within 2 days (took me a month to make about $4000 of a initial deposit of $100) and it only started once i withdrew 1000usd for the 1st time. if i had a full house someone else had a higher one. if i had a str8 flush ..some one hada higher one..it was one of those wtf moments..so playing with friends, or at casino elminates all doubts of bots and possiblity of online cheating

 

[AjsmenX]

As a IT engineer I would say everything is always possible..but also sites like PokerStars are very serious about their security and it is not so easy to do something trust me..They will always give they best to save their customers and players funds