toni_brasco
Rock Star
Bronze Level
It doesn't look so random to me, it is just almost the rule that some drama is going to happen.
I have some examples from yesterdays 300$ freeroll on 888 and it is always like that akways drama - thriller.
Don't think it is rigged but somehow creating stresfull situations like thriller movies.
Here are few shots...finally my aces been cracked and i lost almost my whole stack...
I have some examples from yesterdays 300$ freeroll on 888 and it is always like that akways drama - thriller.
Don't think it is rigged but somehow creating stresfull situations like thriller movies.
Here are few shots...finally my aces been cracked and i lost almost my whole stack...
toni_brasco
Rock Star
Bronze Level
I totally agree with that...see my comment and photos from yesterday 300$ freeroll on 888.
I prefer playing on virtue poker, it seems to me more natural RNG more like in a real world.
toni_brasco
Rock Star
Bronze Level
My suggestion is if you want to play poker which is more like live, you have to go to decentrelized poker site which is peer to peer and every player shuffle the deck...Virtue poker.
Much more natural randomness.
Much more natural randomness.
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LonJ
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Too many patterns to ignore.
I play on betonline and have noticed that when someone is dealt KK at least 80% of the time an Ace will flop (and that’s only counting hands that come down to the showdown). Seems like a glitch in the algorithm. Several other patterns emerge. online poker is a different game. You need to learn to live and react to the pattern of cards and how often the bigger stacks will manage to beat the smaller stacks even while facing long odds.
I play on betonline and have noticed that when someone is dealt KK at least 80% of the time an Ace will flop (and that’s only counting hands that come down to the showdown). Seems like a glitch in the algorithm. Several other patterns emerge. online poker is a different game. You need to learn to live and react to the pattern of cards and how often the bigger stacks will manage to beat the smaller stacks even while facing long odds.
fletchdad
Jammin................
Loyaler
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tycutz007
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Number of hands is key here. Maybe you played 3x hands in online în 1.5yrs than 15yrs live......
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7jules
Enthusiast
Silver Level
That's because it's not.
That's because it's not.
when i first looked into on line poker, i went to the trouble of looking into the program generating company who provided the poker site(party poker) with a " random" program. The company website, if you started to do some digging, clearly states that only action hands are selected, and hand of interest, therefore removing the true "randomness" of the hands dealt on that particular site.
I have assumed, i believe rightly, all site's do the same. In the case of another site (pokerstars) i came across someone saying, bad beats were 14 times more likely than a real random game. Although i don't know that for a fact, i can believe it, from my own experience.
Happy Hunting!!
That's because it's not.
when i first looked into on line poker, i went to the trouble of looking into the program generating company who provided the poker site(party poker) with a " random" program. The company website, if you started to do some digging, clearly states that only action hands are selected, and hand of interest, therefore removing the true "randomness" of the hands dealt on that particular site.
I have assumed, i believe rightly, all site's do the same. In the case of another site (pokerstars) i came across someone saying, bad beats were 14 times more likely than a real random game. Although i don't know that for a fact, i can believe it, from my own experience.
Happy Hunting!!
Rob Hobson
Legend
Loyaler
I believe they are not as random as in live poker. But they have their random rate very satisfactory, despite the impression I have that RNG's shows more aces on the streets than normal. But, but, but may be just an impression.
fletchdad
Jammin................
Loyaler
That's because it's not.
when i first looked into on line poker, i went to the trouble of looking into the program generating company who provided the poker site(party poker) with a " random" program. The company website, if you started to do some digging, clearly states that only action hands are selected, and hand of interest, therefore removing the true "randomness" of the hands dealt on that particular site.
I have assumed, i believe rightly, all site's do the same. In the case of another site (Pokerstars) i came across someone saying, bad beats were 14 times more likely than a real random game. Although i don't know that for a fact, i can believe it, from my own experience.
Happy Hunting!!
^^^^^^^^^This 100%
Polytarp
Legend
Bronze Level
Interesting..have you actually done the math or is this a gut feeling? The information is available online both at the site and in peer reviewed journals. Follow this up with some solid poker math from sources like Chen..etc. Quantify your almost and justify your observation. There's a lot to learn through playing poker and twenty years down the road (or less if you play ten thousand games a year ..or more) revisit and review your thoughts here.
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oliviabirman
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Alizona
Visionary
Bronze Level
The RNG is only as random as the site wants it to be.
Depending upon the integrity of each site is basically akin to having faith that there is a God above. Maybe there is, and maybe there isn't...
P.S. No matter what anybody claims, there is no oversight whatsoever. There's nobody keeping a watch on the online sites. That's why I say you either have faith, or you don't. If you don't, then its probably best to not play online. We'd all like to think everything is perfectly ethical and moral and honest but we also said that a decade ago before learning what AP/UB was up to (add the word "scandal" to your search engine if you wish to look it up). If you've never heard of that incident, well just let it be a lesson as to how these things get swept under the carpet pretty effectively.
Depending upon the integrity of each site is basically akin to having faith that there is a God above. Maybe there is, and maybe there isn't...
P.S. No matter what anybody claims, there is no oversight whatsoever. There's nobody keeping a watch on the online sites. That's why I say you either have faith, or you don't. If you don't, then its probably best to not play online. We'd all like to think everything is perfectly ethical and moral and honest but we also said that a decade ago before learning what AP/UB was up to (add the word "scandal" to your search engine if you wish to look it up). If you've never heard of that incident, well just let it be a lesson as to how these things get swept under the carpet pretty effectively.
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oliviabirman
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Well you are right in that, but then everything in life is like that friend! Nothing is for sure!
Sschafell
Rock Star
Platinum Level
either you believe so, or stop playing poker online, I prefer to believe it's random and focus on making decisions.
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eno.nermi
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Everyone is talking past the problem. The RNG is only one part of the algo, which also controls the tables and the seating. Everything. When one is "moved" to a new table several times in a row and each time it's a move into the big blind then something is wrong. A couple of nights ago, I was "moved" into the big blind 5 times in a row. How is that possible? How is that "fair?" (I'm looking at you, WPN). You might say, since we've all seen the regularity with which a crap big blind hand like 4 -7 flops a straight against aces or AK, that one should be happy to land in the big blind repeatedly.... not... because a GOOD player won't bet those crap hands, even in the big blind, and so the good player will lose while the paid site player wins by pouncing on hands like that - explained as "representing" or "bluffing" (against all ins, roflmao) because they're just so much better at winning than the guy who loses - by the paid defenders of the on-line industry.
And the OBVIOUS patterns - win big in round one and then lose big in round 2, no matter the cards - attempts to play "strong" hands are thwarted endlessly which is why SO MANY PLAYERS WITH BIG STACKS AFTER THE FIRST "BREAK" SIT OUT DURING THE NEXT HOUR. SIT OUT. SIT OUT. SIT OUT. They know to PLAY THE ALGO NOT THE CARDS. And the other patterns - the big wipe out hand which happens just before the break and results in a bad beat, the winning hands that come after a big loser so as to psychologically and physically keep one in the game - the dopamine is impossible to resist. The small stack that always wins after being forced "all-in" on its final blind. And of course, everyone who plays on line will tell of the winning streak when first signing up only to be wiped out soon thereafter. And why does 2 -7 win so often? More importantly, why do unbettable crap hands get played so often by "good players" who should know better? There are any number of unbettable hands that not only win regularly but are PLAYED regularly and that's not "normal" either. Why do sites pay professionals to play in any event and what sort of "deal" do the pros get to do so? What kind of player, good or bad, would call "all in" bets with bad hands? Yet it happens all the time.
When a player's chance of cashing is improved by sitting out rather than actually playing, then there is a problem. Folding a lot in poker is a good strategy, folding every hand is not.
Finally, the excuse that no reputable corporation would rig its product is LAUGHABLE and historically inaccurate - rigging their products is EXACTLY what multi-million dollar corporations do. They have no need to "defend" their reputation, they create it themselves and then lie to maintain it. What world do the apologists live in who argue that we must "trust" them to be on the up and up? The argument is specious. Gaming commissions, "audits" and all the other words (because that's all they are - words) used to "authorize" on-line poker have been "rigging" the business since forever. gambling has always been run (and played) by scoundrels. FFS we KNOW that super-user accounts have existed ON-LINE, we KNOW many of the frauds already revealed to have been run. Yet somehow, promises from this same industry that it's all been fixed and regulated and audited are supposed to persuade us? And what recourse is available to those who feel cheated? There is none.
You and I might define "rigged" or "scam" differently but however one defines it, on-line poker contains it. In spades. Focusing solely on the RNG is pointless. And anyone who has played on line regularly, for years, knows it.
Period.
End of story.
Everything else is just dissembling, obfuscation in defense of the indefensible .
Everything else is just noise.
Call it what you will, on line poker is WRONG. Millions would be playing on line if it weren't.
Where have all the players gone and why?
And the OBVIOUS patterns - win big in round one and then lose big in round 2, no matter the cards - attempts to play "strong" hands are thwarted endlessly which is why SO MANY PLAYERS WITH BIG STACKS AFTER THE FIRST "BREAK" SIT OUT DURING THE NEXT HOUR. SIT OUT. SIT OUT. SIT OUT. They know to PLAY THE ALGO NOT THE CARDS. And the other patterns - the big wipe out hand which happens just before the break and results in a bad beat, the winning hands that come after a big loser so as to psychologically and physically keep one in the game - the dopamine is impossible to resist. The small stack that always wins after being forced "all-in" on its final blind. And of course, everyone who plays on line will tell of the winning streak when first signing up only to be wiped out soon thereafter. And why does 2 -7 win so often? More importantly, why do unbettable crap hands get played so often by "good players" who should know better? There are any number of unbettable hands that not only win regularly but are PLAYED regularly and that's not "normal" either. Why do sites pay professionals to play in any event and what sort of "deal" do the pros get to do so? What kind of player, good or bad, would call "all in" bets with bad hands? Yet it happens all the time.
When a player's chance of cashing is improved by sitting out rather than actually playing, then there is a problem. Folding a lot in poker is a good strategy, folding every hand is not.
Finally, the excuse that no reputable corporation would rig its product is LAUGHABLE and historically inaccurate - rigging their products is EXACTLY what multi-million dollar corporations do. They have no need to "defend" their reputation, they create it themselves and then lie to maintain it. What world do the apologists live in who argue that we must "trust" them to be on the up and up? The argument is specious. Gaming commissions, "audits" and all the other words (because that's all they are - words) used to "authorize" on-line poker have been "rigging" the business since forever. gambling has always been run (and played) by scoundrels. FFS we KNOW that super-user accounts have existed ON-LINE, we KNOW many of the frauds already revealed to have been run. Yet somehow, promises from this same industry that it's all been fixed and regulated and audited are supposed to persuade us? And what recourse is available to those who feel cheated? There is none.
You and I might define "rigged" or "scam" differently but however one defines it, on-line poker contains it. In spades. Focusing solely on the RNG is pointless. And anyone who has played on line regularly, for years, knows it.
Period.
End of story.
Everything else is just dissembling, obfuscation in defense of the indefensible .
Everything else is just noise.
Call it what you will, on line poker is WRONG. Millions would be playing on line if it weren't.
Where have all the players gone and why?
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NikoJoKK
Rising Star
Bronze Level
This is how the poker room makes rake on repeated entries or takes revenge against a player who won a lot against it. These are pre-prepared hands with predictable player behavior. The main thing is that the victim has the weakest hand.
