What to do with $20 br

[Tammy]

I have no one but my self to blame for stepping out of the cash forum.

It's good to branch out.

 

[Leo 50]

To answer the OP's question (and trying to avoid all the other stuff)

I would try to sit down at the smallest cash tables available and grind my way through.
It will allow you the chance to gradually build a decent bankroll, while also giving you some real poker experience on the tables.
So while you may bust out you will get some valuable (and a relatively inexpensive poker education)
If you really want to learn, download all your hand histories and review them.
See where your leaks are, folding to re-raises too often, limping too often,
playing too many hands etc.
I recommend Poker Tracker Software if you are serious about getting better.
They do have a 30(60?) day demo you can use while working with your $20 BR.

If tourneys are your thing and not cash, it will be harder. The rakes on most of the cheap tourneys are just too much.

At least you are smart enough to know that good BRM is an important part of being a successful poker player.

 

[-Phil Ivey27]

Aimed at Cali, not at all towards you in that last one Blue. I don't see how it could be.

 

[Cdub512]

If you don't feel like grinding, i would go for it in whatever game you feel like you are best bad. If losing $20 means a lot to you, that's not good! Sometimes it's good to go big or go home!

 

[-Phil Ivey27]

If you don't feel like grinding, i would go for it in whatever game you feel like you are best bad. If losing $20 means a lot to you, that's not good! Sometimes it's good to go big or go home!

If you don't feel like grinding and your means in playing poker is not to win money, or one day become an extremely solid player, than by all means play however you please because it is more of a recreational game for you.

 

[Poker Orifice]

What really amazes me is that these are very intelligent responses (except mine of course, Mine are just rambling gibberish).< goes without saying... so why say it? .. just sayin' ... I think that if the subject you were debating was world hunger that you as a collaborative team could actually come up with a viable solution. Just think cards chat could be solely responsible for ending world famine. And after that we could tackle global peace

Just roll into One f'n big HUGE meal obviously! (a bunch of smaller meals spread out over time would just lead to starvation anyways.. d'oh)

 

[BlueNowhere]

Ok, this is probably my last post in this thread since it's pretty-much pointless. There are a number of posters on this thread alone who have made a substantial BR from very little despite Blue's insistence that it can't be done and that OP will definately go broke.

Without re-reading the whole thread, Poker Orifice, Dark Assassin, Ram, probably others, and myself (although I admittedly started with $50, not $20) have all done it. So, obviously it CAN AND HAS been done without going broke by using proper BRM. Blue's insistence that it can't and that OP will go broke is pure BS.

@Blue, sorry to hear about your 65BI below EV downswing you mentioned in this thread. I have a couple possible reasons (you choose).
1) You're not "that much" of a winning player as you think you are , or.....
2) You play a particular form of poker that is extremely high varience, like, oh, say HU SnG's

Whichever you choose, you then use these results to point out, falsely, that OP is bound to go bust by playing the exact opposite - an extremely low varience form of poker like, oh, say, DoNs.

Fact is, DoN's, especially low buy-in DoN's are easily beatable by just about anyone. Minimal strategy needed, super-tight ABC play, and a basic grasp of the inherent co-operative play nature of these is pretty much all it takes.

May OP go bust playing these? Of course he may. Is it a foregone conclusion? Far from it.



Wow, JQ really IS right about everything .

I never said it can't be done, I said OP probably won't do it. I have done it myself (albeit with a few shots thrown in) so I don't know why you think i said it can't be done.

Why would running 65 BI below ev have absolutely anything to do with lack of skill on my part?

OP will most likely go bust. My way offers a cushion, he can take whatever advice he wants but if he wants to minimise going bust he'll shot take (as counter prodcutive as that sounds)

 

[BlueNowhere]

Wow, can't believe you wasted your time and ours with that ridiculous graph. Variance is not at issue here. But thanks for the primer.

Ok, we get it. Everyone who plays micros and is new to any poker forum sucks. Your point has been made ad nausium.

But you completely whiffed on what I, Rudy, PO, Shinedown, Phil Ivey and everyone else who can see past their own nose is trying to say.

Size of br is irrelevant. Skill of OP is irrelevant. Variance is irrelevant as it pertains to this situation. Understand? Good, lets move on then...

If the OP sucks (as you adamantly insist he does), sure he'll go broke at a slower rate. But what he will lose in terms of $ he will gain in terms of experience. And idiot can drop $20 in a game, lose, and do it all over again and not learn a damn thing. Anybody can drop $20 in a single game, bink it, and still lose it all at a slower rate. But neither of those scenarios will teach the player sweet F all about the game.

Experience is what makes a good player good. A player will only get better by playing thousands upon thousands of hands and seeing and learning from new situations at the table. But I'm sure I don't need to tell you this.

Giving the advice of "Take a shot, probably lose it, and reload to take another shot" to an inexperienced player is akin to telling a new driver to speed until he crashes into a telephone pole.

So what to the fact that if he binks one that he'll have a larger 'roll to ride out variance? If that were a concern then surely one would just make a larger initial deposit.

OP wanted to know how to (and I quote): "how to build my br at a steady pace?"

Does dropping it all on one or two games hoping to build fast or bust sound like building at a steady pace? F no.

Of course it builds it at a steady rate, you take the orginal higher risk route to make building at a steady rate in future more feasable and it gives you flexibility in the games you play.

Yes because I'm sure OP will take away a wealth of knowledge of the game by play $1 DoN, the most pointless games ever invented. OP will not learn anything other than how to fold AK and TT on the bubble, he will learn no post flop skills, he will not get any big cashes, he will most likely become bored of the game. My route offers some high variance to start with but allows for learning more of the game.

Anyway I'm completely detracting from the main point of the article, shot take = win+ euphoria+ move up limits quicker __learn to become better player faster. Boring nit route = lose + waste of time + slow move up limits. No point in playing poker when you win $2 a game.

 

[BlueNowhere]

Aimed at Cali, not at all towards you in that last one Blue. I don't see how it could be.

A later comment in it mentioned so I thought you'd merged calis quote in with what I wrote.

 

[Big_Rudy]

Why would running 65 BI below ev have absolutely anything to do with lack of skill on my part?

It doesn't. Sarcasm. I'll try to make it more obvious next time.

The rest of the post is valid and on point, however. I really am done with this thread. There is no point in discussing it further since you clearly cannot or do not want to see the flaws in your reasoning despite the many people on here who have tried, vainly, to point those flaws out to you.

 

[WVHillbilly]

Does BCP have a casino? I'd bet on Black.

 

[BlueNowhere]

Hopefully you will, I do have anaemia.

Lol at flaws. I'm out of this thread too, it's getting nowhere and you keep wrongly insisting that the same points are right.

 

[Big_Rudy]

To answer the OP's question (and trying to avoid all the other stuff)

I would try to sit down at the smallest cash tables available and grind my way through.
It will allow you the chance to gradually build a decent bankroll, while also giving you some real poker experience on the tables.
So while you may bust out you will get some valuable (and a relatively inexpensive poker education)
If you really want to learn, download all your hand histories and review them.
See where your leaks are, folding to re-raises too often, limping too often,
playing too many hands etc.
I recommend Poker Tracker Software if you are serious about getting better.
They do have a 30(60?) day demo you can use while working with your $20 BR.

If tourneys are your thing and not cash, it will be harder. The rakes on most of the cheap tourneys are just too much.

At least you are smart enough to know that good BRM is an important part of being a successful poker player.

OK, before I really DO leave this thread for good, I just wanted to point this out in case the OP is still around. Really solid advice here if you decide to go the cash route rather the tournament route we've all been talking about.

 

[NascarFanSS]

What games should i start out playing and how to build my br at a steady pace? this is on Black Chip Poker a merge site

I think your best bet with a 20$ starting BR is to stick strictly to the 1$ and 2$ 45man SnG's on any Merge client. Good solid poker will generally result in a final table appearance and if you are good enough to consistently make ITM it will be a good way to boost your BR.

 

[gmuballer111]

wow really so much input i never even thought of, and i was thinking more towards sng and tourney play, keep up the stuff guys i appreciate it a lot!!

 

[gmuballer111]

I think your best bet with a 20$ starting BR is to stick strictly to the 1$ and 2$ 45man SnG's on any Merge client. Good solid poker will generally result in a final table appearance and if you are good enough to consistently make ITM it will be a good way to boost your BR.

I am pretty solid at 45 mans when should i move up to say the $5 and $11 ones??

 

[NascarFanSS]

I am pretty solid at 45 mans when should i move up to say the $5 and $11 ones??

I'm in the process of challenging myself to work my way up to 115$ through the 2$ 45mans. After I reach that goal I will try a few 5$ 45mans but if I do not succeed and drop back below 100$ I will go back to the 2$ tourneys until I can give it another shot. As for the 11$ 45mans I wouldn't see myself playing those until I had sufficiently established a consistent ITM % on the 5$ buyins so probably some where around 500$ would I maybe think about those.

 

[gmuballer111]

Anyone who is asking what to do with a $20 BR is obviously a newb so obv not a winner. Most people that join aren't good players though, you only need to look at a few of their strat posts to gather that much. When they post shit like in standard spots you can pretty much guarentee they aren't a good player. Occasionally you see a new player offering good strat advice but they are few and far between.

Haha buddy i deposit $20 at a time i can put down $1000 max deposit rather have fun at 20 and build that!!

I'm in the process of challenging myself to work my way up to 115$ through the 2$ 45mans. After I reach that goal I will try a few 5$ 45mans but if I do not succeed and drop back below 100$ I will go back to the 2$ tourneys until I can give it another shot. As for the 11$ 45mans I wouldn't see myself playing those until I had sufficiently established a consistent ITM % on the 5$ buyins so probably some where around 500$ would I maybe think about those.

The only thing is i hate how long they take to get players on black chip in the 45 mans it can take 30 min just to start one game, need a ton of patience

If you don't feel like grinding, i would go for it in whatever game you feel like you are best bad. If losing $20 means a lot to you, that's not good! Sometimes it's good to go big or go home!

haha and yes sometimes that is what i do just depost 20 and sit on cash all these new ideas mean a lot and can really change the type of terrible brm i have.

 

[Tammy]

all these new ideas mean a lot and can really change the type of terrible brm i have.

Just don't listen to BlueNowhere, and you'll be fine.

 

[gmuballer111]

Just don't listen to BlueNowhere, and you'll be fine.

You know what thats probably the best advice i've gotten all day!!

 

[BlueNowhere]

Just don't listen to BlueNowhere, and you'll be fine.

Despite my BRM being fine?

I wrote my advice for someone who was new to poker and couldn't deposit again, ie they had one shot with $20. From the sounds of it OP is not a new player and he can deposit more. In that case you're fine risking busting your account because you're poker BR (well money that you can put in poker) far exceeds whats in your account so obv no need to random shot take with whole roll.

 

[JOEBOB69]

I would redeposit $200 and then bet $220 on on a single hand of black jack.

 

[darkassassin89]

OMG this thread is getting TROLOLOLOLED all over!!! I mean, I cant even keep up

 

[JOEBOB69]

OMG this thread is getting TROLOLOLOLED all over!!! I mean, I cant even keep up

I gave my advice(the same as blue),people hated on him.Now we find out he can redeposit at any given time.So the question of $20 is irrelevant.Obv if you like sng's play the $1,if you like mtt play the $1 ones,if you like cash play the lowest limit and buy in full.In hindsight do what i first said, do what you wanna do

 

[darkassassin89]

ah so redepositing is not an issue eh play 2 learn 1st i say. we all had to "pay" for our lessons haha