This is a discussion on Pre-Flop Calling Ranges within the online poker forums, in the Learning Poker section; We often feel that we either have to fold or re-raise to a pre-flop raise in front of us. But there are times when calling
I'm not sure about the standart 4-5bb raise thou. the standrat for some time is 2.2-2.5bb. But I guess everything depends on how strong is the field. Most 3bb in many MTTs are concidered weak but if your ops are not looking at that you can raise bigger.
As for me I would concider raise with most stong hands but calling range should be really small. As most hand that are good for flating could be better suited for raising.
I agree with this topic !! .. the important thing would always be the position and the size of your stack, the continuation bets are very important because they allow you to keep control of the pot and the size of the bets, the flop is also important, because if it is a flop that does not it favors you and more than 2 players have entered the hand it is best to retire, if only one player has entered the play you can try to make an aggressive play after the flop and if the size of your stack is strong you can do it, but If there are many players in the hand you have to be careful and it is best to retire and not waste chips as long as the flop does not favor you, if you tie something on the flop it is also advisable to make a continuation bet to give value to your hand
One pattern to watch for is a pre-flop raise, C-betting the flop and
then checking the turn.
< 30BBs Protect your chips and focus on playing premium hands.
> 30BBs You can take a few more chances but don't be too loose.
Do you have a large stack?
You can loosen up and take more chances
It is also very important the position and your stack
I will read the whole article. But it is a little disturbing when the hand comparisons stay the same except the last comparison.
Why was JsJh changed to AK os in the 3rd example? oh because it doesn't support the conclusion that suited connectors fair better. JJ now wins 81% vs 10 9 suited.
Wouldn't it be better to compare equity vs the villain's entire range rather than specific hands?
You were all happy I called until my river suckout!
The problem of beginners - they often make Call and then play very passively if they do not get into the flop. Basically I try to do Call only in a position, without an initiative it is very difficult to play.
To be honest, it's sometimes difficult for me to force myself to play more aggressively
Article did mention suited connectors are still dominated by big pocket pair.
As far as tournament play I disagree that early position raisers means a monster hand. Imo most players know that's the book and try to disguise hands like AA and KK in early position by limping or min raising hoping for a raise. To me a bigger raise from early position could be Ax or smaller pocket pair.
As far as calling raises it seems to me most players like calling small raises with almost any 2 especially early in tournaments. At least where I play live tournaments
the atricle is good, position and stack size is most important, whether your trying to steal with medicore cards you need to beware of the short stack, because they will most likely shove there stack. Watching your oppondents , your opening cards and raising in a hand can vary depending on how strong/weak someone is and the amt of players involved .Knowing ur competition at the table can change the cards you play from a certain position
Good, thorough article covering the topic. I have just a couple of questions.
What is a raisor?
Does "Preflop raise size" as described in the article mean, literally the raise on top of the blind, i.e., 2-3 BB raise means 3-4 BB total bet? I assume that's what it means and this is "standard" terminology?
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Not sure that position is important. Many new and not bad players don't care about position and show good results. Of course if they have small stack and play some middle hand like AJ then maybe position is important.
I think call preflop is bad moove if you have get monster hand only whith that hand wait to raise and after go all-in. Or call preflop raise with premium hand. Or adjust under the table with the limpers.
It is usually advisable to retire when obtaining the rest of the hands that are distributed to you. Playing all kinds of hands is usually a mistake, since most of the time you will not get what you want, even so it is not good to play cards connected or the same suit always,
The key is to always keep the attention on the table, and always look for opportunities to attack even if you do not have a good hand.
and of course the position has a lot to do when you are going to play a hand and it depends on the hand you have
everything is clear. I would like to add another dangerous moment when the opponent after the pre-flop raise has a very good arm, makes check. by this action, it provokes me, provided that I also got in on the flop, to make a long rates, causing it to reset. I can take that as a weakness, and I'll be aggressive, and he'll just call. I can lose most of my stack, with the confidence that I can take the Bank, while he calmly takes it to himself. to avoid this, you must also use the free view without suspicion on the turn or river.
I would say I have to agree with the article. In particular regard to tournament poker because that is what I prefer. The article mentions chip stack. Chip stick is the biggest factor for my range . That and position. But typically speaking, at least in tournament poker, having a bigger chip stack allows me to play hands in position that I normally wouldnt play. And I by in position I mean later position bcuz being able to act last is always favorable. So a combination of chip stack and position will loosen up my range. In my playable range from early position it is very dependent on chipstack at well. If I am in early position with say 5 BB and get dealt pocket nines I will push when first in the pot. However, lets ssay I'm under the gun with 10bb and get dealt the same hand. I most times will through it away. Why? Because after careful inventory of my fatal mistakes for tournament life, it always end because I play a hand that I should've left out my range. Usually overplaying a pocket pair. Now same hand, under the gun, but I have 50 bb, now I can comfortably raise my typical raise and not have to worry to me. I can comfortably through the hand away if I sense danger
My calling range to 2.5x or 3x opens is pocket pairs for set mining,brodway cards but sometimes i find fold with easily dominated offsuit brodway cards especily out of position,if i have good stack from position i will go to the flop with suited connectors and sometimes with some small suited ace...
The games I play more are tournaments. The preflop situation is getting more and more critical as the game goes on and the blinds raise. I agree with the article, because every player must choose carefully his next move and study the maths!
Playing in tourneys, the single biggest thing that progressed my game was learning about position and the importance of ranges when being raised early vs late position. All of the info in the guide is spot on and great for everyone to learn. I like 2.2-2.75 BB as standard raise and once in a while flatting to keep my range open. The article doesn't get into amount of standard 3 betting but I would assume it would be the next article. Great resource!
I prefer having my bet sizing slightly smaller raising pre-flop from UTG and MP, raising it up a bit towards 3BB on the BTN, and 3 - 4BB from the blinds. I'll also increase the raise if there are limpers in front of me as well.
Playing suited connectors is great - but suited one gapers can flop just as well and should be included especially in ranges on or near the button
Weak aces can flop OK but I find a lot of the time a lot of players will roll with any ace, so it can become easy to spot when they are sticking around on an ace high dry board.
One aspect that is key is to be somewhat unpredictable - players that stick to the same hands time after time become easy to put on a range and easier to gauge actual strength on later streets, and making it harder to make money on hands.
Position is very important also in cash games as in tournaments. I hate Agressors who play most hand's allin at pre-flop. I always told: They can't hit monster all time's! Wait for your good hand and call them! That's my advice =)
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i think the article is ok. it is pretty open and standard. you mentioned to think about opening ranges and that you should think about your calling range, if it is dominated and so on, so yeah...
most important thing will be to correctly adjust in the right spot to the right opponents.
Very good article again. I agree to the most things. But there is one thing that made me wonder somehow, that you shall not call with less than 30 BB. I am playing usually tournaments. For me it sounds surprisingly high, but well yeah, it is already 10%, as you say. Usually I was thinking like this with 10BB there is no call. There is only push or fold. Honestly I thought, with 30 BB there is still some room to act somehow. Now I am curious how others think about this.
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I think that to make the right decision we must be attentive to the field. There are no universal recipes yet. Somewhere it will be correct to do and take a bet in 4-5 BB, somewhere in 2-2.5 BB. Somewhere the range of hands for the call will be already, somewhere wider.
You should know the field on which you are playing, and adjust your strategy accordingly. The article mentioned in the first post is very useful for understanding the meaning of the problem. However, you should understand that the exact ranges can be chosen only for yourself, for a particular poker room, even for a specific table and a set of opponents.
The pocket pair dominates the single-mast connectors, so you have to be careful. well, it depends on where to play)) . personally I prefer suited high cards and raise 2-3 BB preflop. here's an example I have often found the opposite. for example, in poker stars pocket pair even though aces does not give advantages because it is there very weak hand because once the poker room will collect the other player is much better combination of cards. poker stars killed I have fun playing poker
I'm not sure I agree. In the first instance, calling when the raiser was from early position, it was noted that medium suited connectors have decent equity against the early position range. While this may be true, you still need to hit a straight or flush to know yourself that you are (most likely) good. Hitting a pair still means you are often beat by a better pair, and there's not much you can do to find out if you're beaten. I think the actual equity of the hand is much better than perceived equity because of the uncertainty around some of your winning hands
Excellent article, very detailed I have instructive for me, although in my opinion Never pay all in pre flop most of the time unless you have premium cards and a good position, but it is best to play with the position and choose good range of hands , the type of bet is equally important .. it has a lot of fabric to cut this article.
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very good article, when I started in poker, I studied a lot of basic plays, starting hands ranges, position, stack. but I had no practical knowledge of these strategies. Today I have some volume of game to understand in practice these strategies and when we play without paying attention to these basic rules, we end up using only luck that does not help in the regularity of our result
The position is very important in the hand. In the beginning, I did not pay attention to it at all and played everything from the UTG. It was terrible. But when you are in position and you bet the latter, then you become more mobile and it becomes easier to collect a combination on the turn and river. Thank you for the article.
The good article and I agree with those that written. Strategy games on preflop helps. Many players ignore the ranges and relative strength of their hands, resulting in wrong decisions and endless losses.When assessing an opponent's range, you should always take into account all available information about him, his actions on previous rounds of trading, as well as represent the hands that he could play in this way. The better you know what the opponent can be on hand, the better your decisions will be.
When the hand starts, and if the aggressive players have any pair at all, they raise automatically, and sometimes i lose with AK or any pair below 9s... I learn to not go all in in the first hand even if I have AK, but if I have AA or KK I’ll probably play the hand, but during the preflop we can see where the big cards are... sometimes the villain has nothing and you win with A9 but we ll never know who you are playing against...
Playing mostly tourneys, and I must omit that I do not frame my style and strategy within the standard preflop ranges
What the most is ruling my game is my hand, position, stage of tournament, my chances to get ITM, the opponent's style and records and ways to exploit them
Now seriously, I am following most of the recommendations mentioned in the article, but every tourney is different, depends on blinds time increase - you have to accommodate fast, otherwise you are out soon or later - without any earnings
I think that depends on many factors, how much have a blinds, aggressiveness and the number of players at the table and the structure of the tournament. When the players are limping, the raise is very effective and offten knows win hand before the flop...
As an amateur that plays mostly micro-stakes cash games, I call more often than suggested in the article with lesser hands.
For tournaments, I do follow most of the standard advice given. Although, I do disagree that calling automatically means you have a weaker hand. It could just mean that a player is trying to be a little tricky.
That point is very important, winner players are the exception but enven so we can see players show some aversion to theory and they carry on losing money playing by themselves looser strategies. Theory is not an invention from an ideal and wonderful poker world, it is about past experiences mathematically analized. So beginners has no experience, they have just one reference: the theory.
Very important article. IMO when we play tournament, we should count stack with number M, not with big blids. Stack M is more detailed and consider ante.
M=(stack) / (SB+BB+all ante).
When my stack is under M8, I play only push or fold. Absolutely very importent is our position what you`re mentioning in the article. I think that for tournaments, we should be more specific about the push phase. I recommend playing with M numbers with this range and our position:
6off=UTG1; 5off=UTG2; 4off=MP1; 3off=MP2; HiJ=MP3, CO; BTN; SB.
Preflop call is OK too, when our pot odds preflop is good. In this we can call with very loose. Example when I`m in SB and I see 4 limp, I like playing in this call very loose with trash cards, becouse my pot odds to call is very good and very cheap. Preflop call is not good when our stack is in push phaze. Sometimes in push phaze, we can give a tray play mini bet with AA and never limp preflop.
When low blinds I play x3 BB to x4 BB. I see that you recommend in article to 5 BB. IMO 5 BB is good when tournament is deep. When turbo 5 BB can be too much. When late phaze I play x2.5 BB to x2.2 BB. I agree that our stack is big, we should we can loosen up and take more chances. This is OK, if we manage good post flop.
completely in accordance with this article, The first thing I take into account to do this is to look at the position and the size of my stack and the stack remaining players to play. it usually happens that when calling there is always a player that forces you to throw your cards, por lo tanto siempre trato de ir con cartas con las cuales voy a estar dispuesto a pagar una subida.
This article bring us real useful advises. For me, the best proof that this works is watching another players, specially in micro stakes MTTs. I often see loose player limping or raising out of position or paying raises with weak hands. Sometimes they have a good start, but almost never get ITM.I think the LAG style is very effective, but only for the one who have the necessary skills to play this way. This kind of player can open from early position with almost every hand, but I think this is not for a beginner.
That's a great article, I agree with what's been written there.
I think that as a cold-call is a passive move and in order to be successful in poker you should stick to aggressive moves, this means that your calling range has to be small and well structured and you should rarely wide it up. As it was stated in article you may occasionally do it and call with a rather weak hand, if you noticed certain passive postflop tendencies of your opponent that you want to exploit but then you should beware of the players that act behind you, their playing styles and size of stacks. The same thing applies if you have a strong hand, one you would normally 3bet, but as you think that the players sitting behind you are lags or short stacks that might squeeze or push, you call in order to set a trap. But generally one should not call the open raise that much and stick to either 3bet or fold.
Thank you fot the article! Here is represented very useful and high-quality information. But this theme isn`t new for me. Sometimes I use ranges from PokerStratagy.com Equilab. To my mind it`s realy helpful soft.But I often meet players, who absolutely don`t care about ranges, they can call your bet with any two and I advise this players to learn this article and start to play appropriate poker (in case, if your goal is not only fun, but profit)
Please specify if you are referring to cash games or tournaments because it won't be the same for both.
Do you agree with the article?
Dakota, the structure of the PS game has changed to such an extent that books released by professional players until 2014 make no sense. Aggression. We need to adapt to it. This is new in poker and works.
In the tournaments I usually play, it usually goes reise when I'm in position BB, SB or dealer,Usually in the initial stage of the tournament goes 3-4 bb, later 2-3bb in these positions,In other positions I play 2-3bb in the beginning, usually everything depends on the player I play against if I stay longer on the same table.
A very good article. From myself I want to add my game will also depend on what I play. On freerolls, respectively, I will often look at the flop. Call is a good solution if you feel that you can outplay an opponent on almost any flop.
Very useful and quality article for beginners just to start playing and try to make not so many mistakes!I play mtsng and think that decisions about ranges optimally should be based on the info about your opponent and his playstyle.This is the main point .
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