you don't need fish for a game to be juicy. u just need bad regs. (there are lots at PLO)
heh whenever i play PLO i always am convinced i know exactly what i'm doing, but in reality i'm just mashing the pot button a lot when i have kool looking hands
I don't see how fish could last in Omaha PL. Bust, bust, bust and the big pot suckouts are fewer. Maybe they trade pots back and forth between each other, but when there are a couple of disciplined players in the game, those fish do a lot of rebuys, and unless they have deep pockets, I just don't see how they can last. Bad play is rewarded more in HE than Omaha.
I think you're right - the money to be made is from undisciplined regs who just can't lay down the good looking hand and, before you know it, get sucked in for their whole stack. Cardinal rule in Omaha, especially O8 is don't chase too deep. Even moreso than hold em I think there are a lot of players who over-estimate their skill level and think they're good when they are really not. People do really stupid things in O8, the most common of which is to chase with just a low drawing hand. You have A2 with two lows on the flop, your chances of filling the low without counterfeit are only 50/50, and that's for only half the pot. So you really only have 25%
equity, yet people are willing to put in their whole stacks for the chance of hitting, and they'll argue that it's a good and reasonable move.
In O8, there's the question of whether to go for Low or Hi; it's even discussed in this thread. The answer is simple. You go for both. You go for the scoop. But pre-flop hand selection is centered on the low with some high potential. The reason is the low nut hand is more predictable and if you can come up with it by the flop or turn, then you are free-rolling for the high as well. If you're pre-flop with AA, it's hard to have any confidence that your aces will hold up as the high considering all the possibilities out there.
Omaha (I play only O8) is a game of extreme patience. There are some
bluffing opportunities and position is still important, but it's really hard to turn around a dead run with creative play, and aggression is not rewarded in the same way it is in HE. The Capelletti book, which isn't as bad as the reviews on Amazon indicate, says that in Hold Em you want to be feared, but in Omaha you want to be loved. Especially in split pot games, the skill comes in keeping people in and building the pot. Taking it down with the big bet is more of a rarity.
I play Omaha 8 because it's pretty steady income without the wild swings of HE. I have to admit it gets pretty boring. It's a grind. You can go for hours without much play. But I would think it would be a fish magnet with all the wild draws and possibilities and action. I would certainly like to see fish migrate to it. And you do see more hold em maniacs coming to the O8 tables. They stick out like a sore thumb with their big pre-flop bets and aggressive play. They don't notice that they are taking down lots of pots but not many chips. They don't build pots for their good hands, and they over-extnd and get hammered on their bad ones. They are a little annoying because their big PF bets keep you from seeing flops, but it makes you more selective, and that's not bad.
I used to think O8 was more a fishing expedition where you saw a lot of flops and tried to build a hand. Lots of bad players still describe it that way. But properly played, you play even tighter than Hold Em. My best sessions are ones where my flop percentage is around 20 at FR.
I don't do HEM but I should.
Gary
I'm actually really interested about learning Razz, since my friend said you get to try to get the WORST hand, but I read about bad hands and didn't understand it really.. so Hi/Lo and razz are things I must learn.
