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ph_il
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Silver Level
I agree with folding AA in satellites.
The only time I fold AA in non satellite MTTs is if there are huge pay jumps. For example, lets say you're on the BB at the FT of a tournament. You have 1BB left after putting in your BB. Everyone else at the table has between 35-60 BBs in their stack. Everyone goes all preflop in before you (probably never going to happen, but lets say it does) and it's up to you...
Lets say payout is as follow: 10K for 9th, 20K for 8th, 30K for 7th,...90K for 1st.
If you call and win, you have about a low-mid sized stack. But if you lose, you're out with 10K. However, if you fold, it's likely that 1, 2, or possibly 3 players get knocked out before you, meaning your pay jumps from 10K to 20K-40K. AA's chances of winning drops significantly against 8 players, so your chances of calling and making a stack of ~25 BBs is very small and you're likely to get knocked out in 9th place. Whereas, if you fold, you have a greater chance of making pay jumps, which I think is a much better option.
The only time I fold AA in non satellite MTTs is if there are huge pay jumps. For example, lets say you're on the BB at the FT of a tournament. You have 1BB left after putting in your BB. Everyone else at the table has between 35-60 BBs in their stack. Everyone goes all preflop in before you (probably never going to happen, but lets say it does) and it's up to you...
Lets say payout is as follow: 10K for 9th, 20K for 8th, 30K for 7th,...90K for 1st.
If you call and win, you have about a low-mid sized stack. But if you lose, you're out with 10K. However, if you fold, it's likely that 1, 2, or possibly 3 players get knocked out before you, meaning your pay jumps from 10K to 20K-40K. AA's chances of winning drops significantly against 8 players, so your chances of calling and making a stack of ~25 BBs is very small and you're likely to get knocked out in 9th place. Whereas, if you fold, you have a greater chance of making pay jumps, which I think is a much better option.
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ph_il
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Silver Level
In a cash game? Why?
detroitjunkie
Visionary
Silver Level
theRaven68
Legend
Bronze Level
i am unable to rationalize nothing more but thisIs it because nature came calling so you were forced to rush to the toilet so fast that you didn't care about your game but when you came back to look thru your hands you notice you folded AA and would have tripled, 2 hands later KK and would have doubled and then to rub salt into the wounds you had another missed AA and this time you would of quadrupled
Yeah sh*t happens..... literally
Anyways the real answer to this is most likely one of 2 things:
1. You are chip leader in a satellite and already have plenty of chips to get your ticket
Or
2. You are on a final table with significant pay jumps and there are a few all ins ahead of you so you go for the pay jumps
TimovieMan
Legend
Silver Level
OK, here's the rundown of AA's equity vs a number of random hands (and note that I even rounded down):
2-handed: 85% - +0.85 EV
3-handed: 73% - +1.46 EV
4-handed: 63% - +1.89 EV
5-handed: 55% - +2.20 EV
6-handed: 49% - +2.45 EV
7-handed: 43% - +2.58 EV
8-handed: 38% - +2.66 EV
9-handed: 34% - +2.72 EV
10-handed: 31% - +2.79 EV
That means that, with more people in the pot, the odds of you winning the hand get smaller, but because the pot is bigger, you're expected to win MORE in the long run with more opponents.
The correct answer in this thread is:
Fold AA preflop on the bubble in satellites with multiple opponents all-in, or when the pay-jumps are significant and several people went all-in before you. In these cases the ICM becomes more important than the cEV.
In all other cases, especially cash games: folding AA preflop is the single DUMBEST thing you can do.
Anyone who disagrees with this does not understand basic probability and has no business at a poker table.
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kdr723
Rising Star
Silver Level
Exactly what I was thinking!
