Do you ever fold AA pre-flop?

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Not sure if this is clever or incredibly stupid, but earlier I was dealt an AA. I checked (to check-raise), then 6 players went all-in (poor players but one of them is always going to get the perfect flop they are that lucky).

It just feels strange folding an AA but isn't AA vs 6 other players, unlikely to win? Especially when you just know one of them will get lucky (again).
 
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Not sure if this is clever or incredibly stupid, but earlier I was dealt an AA. I checked (to check-raise), then 6 players went all-in (poor players but one of them is always going to get the perfect flop they are that lucky).

It just feels strange folding an AA but isn't AA vs 6 other players, unlikely to win? Especially when you just know one of them will get lucky (again).


No , this is horrible. You still have way higher chance then 1/6...

Only spot to consider folding AA is in satellites before the bubble with a stack that already has a stack needed to qualify, but losing an allin preflop would set you back to last places.
 
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I did fold AA a few times in tournaments just before the money.
 
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Years ago I folded aces at Omaha on the bubble, and cashed. Aces are not that great at this game.
 
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So who is right?

Against 6 'all-ins' after my check, why should I be calling?

What are the odds of me actually winning?
 
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No, I have never folded AA preflop and I don't see why I would.
 
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it is true that your reasoning but try to do it with a real deck right there at your house and see how many times other players win to make sure you match or not in online games

Good luck to me.
 
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Only when the tournament is in the bubble phase when I am short stack or shortly before entering the checkout in satellite tournaments
 
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I have never fold AA preflop. But it would be possible for me to do it if I get this hand just at the bubble and am just stacked enough to get itm. But it is the only case I would fold the aces preflop.
 
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NEVER :)

***(In a tournament satellite if I am already qualified , I might do it , but extremely rarely , so hard to fold them preflop :))
 
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maybe after seeing the flop but never at pre.
 
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Not sure if this is clever or incredibly stupid, but earlier I was dealt an AA. I checked (to check-raise), then 6 players went all-in (poor players but one of them is always going to get the perfect flop they are that lucky).

It just feels strange folding an AA but isn't AA vs 6 other players, unlikely to win? Especially when you just know one of them will get lucky (again).
You can't fold aa preflop, maybe after flop, yes.
 
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If you have a good enough stack to place in a tournament, I think you need to dump AA.
 
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You are right in this case and you need to do it. The probability of losing is very high. And if you are playing in a good tournament, then fold AA is a must. I haven’t had to do this yet, but I will definitely do it.
 
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No. Never. Maybe i will do when i'm in the bubble and many players goes all-in.
 
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Quite a mix of opinions.

What are the actual odds of winning AA vs like 6 other all in opponents?

Someone is surely going to luck a 2 pair?
 
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Not sure if this is clever or incredibly stupid, but earlier I was dealt an AA. I checked (to check-raise), then 6 players went all-in (poor players but one of them is always going to get the perfect flop they are that lucky).

It just feels strange folding an AA but isn't AA vs 6 other players, unlikely to win? Especially when you just know one of them will get lucky (again).
I can't fold preflop AA:)
 
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In that case I think you should have raised. This way, some of the players will fold and there will be less than 6 players on the flop. Even though you already have the highest chances with AA less players is always better.
 
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Only when I have enough chips in a satellite that I don't have to get involved in the action at all.
 
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I did today, I was 3/11 in a sat with top 10 getting tickets. Chipleader went all in pre and I folded my AA easily. Can't imagine many other situations were I would though.
 
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Maybe the problem was not raising with AA yourself. Perhaps if you open-raised, then so many wouldn't have continued. Then you can more safely play AA versus one or two opponents versus 6 players.

With so many All-ins, I could easily join as well with AA, but I could also see myself folding preflop here too! Yeah, I know some might give me a bunch of heat about this - but if my skill edge is higher than these players, then I can wait for a different spot to outplay them instead of flipping or getting it in as a slight favorite.

Open-raising makes it less inclined to get into this weird spot though.

Just for messing around, I put a specific holding for each player into Equilab. I didn't do AA versus 5 random players because it would take too long to evaluate. Here is one situation I picked:

AdAh - 42.73% (Our debated AA)
KsKc - 11.11% (Solid pocket pair usually worth shoving and just a cooler vs AA)
AcKh - 3.98% (AK is a premium hand preflop, but not so great to commit too many chips with and especially against AA or KK that dominates it as the case here)
2d2h - 16.65% (just picked a lower pocket pair)
9s8c - 16.13% (picked connected cards far enough from the Broadway cards that it has some chances to outdraw them and win)
Td4c - 9.40% (Just picked a trash hand to see how it would compare)

As we can see here, AA is less than 50% equity versus all of these players even if it is the favorite to win the hand.
 
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I like to call when have A A , rarely i fold , some time you can lose with high hand A A , if all in the winning is higher than flopping .
 
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Not sure if this is clever or incredibly stupid, but earlier I was dealt an AA. I checked (to check-raise)

Its not possible to check preflop, but maybe you mean, that you limped with intention to limp-reraise?


then 6 players went all-in (poor players

If you folded, then you made a much bigger mistake than any of the other 6 players, even if they had trash like 72o. So focus on improving your own game rather than grading others.

but one of them is always going to get the perfect flop they are that lucky).

No they are not. They are no more or less lucky than you, and they are going to win exactly the percentage of the time, they are supposed to.

It just feels strange folding an AA

And it is.

but isn't AA vs 6 other players, unlikely to win?

No its not. As others have said, you will have less than 50% chance to win, but when you do win, you increase your stack 600%. And this is way more valuable than continuing more often but with a much smaller stack.

Especially when you just know one of them will get lucky (again).


Which again is just a pile of nonsense.
 
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Maybe the problem was not raising with AA yourself. Perhaps if you open-raised, then so many wouldn't have continued. Then you can more safely play AA versus one or two opponents versus 6 players.

With so many All-ins, I could easily join as well with AA, but I could also see myself folding preflop here too! Yeah, I know some might give me a bunch of heat about this - but if my skill edge is higher than these players, then I can wait for a different spot to outplay them instead of flipping or getting it in as a slight favorite.

Open-raising makes it less inclined to get into this weird spot though.

Just for messing around, I put a specific holding for each player into Equilab. I didn't do AA versus 5 random players because it would take too long to evaluate. Here is one situation I picked:

AdAh - 42.73% (Our debated AA)
KsKc - 11.11% (Solid pocket pair usually worth shoving and just a cooler vs AA)
AcKh - 3.98% (AK is a premium hand preflop, but not so great to commit too many chips with and especially against AA or KK that dominates it as the case here)
2d2h - 16.65% (just picked a lower pocket pair)
9s8c - 16.13% (picked connected cards far enough from the Broadway cards that it has some chances to outdraw them and win)
Td4c - 9.40% (Just picked a trash hand to see how it would compare)

As we can see here, AA is less than 50% equity versus all of these players even if it is the favorite to win the hand.

Good stats.
It highlights why you want to get away from multiway pots.
Normally, AA vs something like AKo is nearly a 92% favourite.
92% (heads up) vs 42% (multiway)
Those are pretty stark differences in odds.

So limp them from early position f you want, but I'd rather have everyone fold and I take the blinds than have a multiway and risk losing the whole stack.

Cheers,
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