Why The Smart Play Cash & Fools Play Tournaments

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There are pro's and con's on both Tourney and Cash games. So when you are saying that Tourney people are fools, then you're talking so much about something you don't really know about.

Some people just like Tourney because all you have to do is invest a small amount and if you really win, you're getting a HUGE amount back. At least around 50x your buy-in.


Cash games on the other hand is about how good you run and your profit is usually around a max is 10x your buy-in. I've rarely seen anyone actually winning more than 10x their buy-in.


So there are both pro's and con's in both ways. So please DON'T say one is better than the other or call people fools.
 
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It is the responsibility of the person making extraordinary claims. Don't attempt to divert the attention away from yourself. Are you afraid to show your results?
 
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There is less variance involved in cash games, so in that regard I guess it's smarter.
 
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Also, cash game requires more discipline. You can lose a lot of money fast.
 
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I think its not a who's smarter plays a certain game. Its more be a smart player and play the game that suits you. I don't have patience or time to sit for tournaments. I need cash games where I can get up whenever I feel like.
 
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Whether or not IQ is really intelligence or simply one form of intelligence, there clearly are smarter and dumber people on Earth. I am not saying that the smartest will win the most in poker but they definitely won't lose as much and not nearly as often as the less intelligent players.


Let's first address the classic line that I hear from tournament defenders: You lose less because you can't lose more than your buy-in. While this is true, what they fail to see is that in cash games your bad beats are far more rapidly made up for with your consistent wins as bad beats happen only minority of times. Also if bets get huge, smarter players have the self control to fold a really great hand because the raise is getting to an amount where they wouldn't want to engage without the nuts.

Self control and having good read on players (as well as basic understanding of hand probability) are why the idea of only losing the buy-in is negated because you win back faster what you lost if you're a smart cash game player.


Tournaments are unfair on smart players because the luck later on means no matter how well you played so far, you can get knocked out due to big stacks going full loose aggressive and you know you can't win back what you lost, like you could in a cash game. On the other hand, this attracts the more foolish players because they know they can beat smarter players as the minimum bet increases meaning that the ones who took dumb risks earlier on now have the stack size to bully the smart players into all or nothing situations to tilt them into a high risk scenario.

My bad beat is going to be 50 in a few days, so what do you know?
I prefer to loose my money slowly. my IQ was tested around 130 if this is a measurement, but it was just solving funny riddles. Who is intelligent enough to decide whether somebody is intelligent or not?:fight:
Sure you need skills, sure you need experience. But you don't need intelligence in Poker.
I'd say it's more experience and a feeling of what is going on, when you have been once intelligent enough to read and understand all the same and the same and the same that ppl are writing everyday.
In the long run you will win anyway, but who has 80 lifetimes for the long run?
It doesn't matter how intelligent you are. If you are not intelligent (or dumb) enough to open up your own poker room, you will never have a guarantee to win.Whether to choose cash or tournament depends more on ones personal aimes, the time available and the stress, that is accepted. Because we both know, cash games burn a lot more of energy than tournaments.:fight:
 
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Whether or not IQ is really intelligence or simply one form of intelligence, there clearly are smarter and dumber people on Earth. I am not saying that the smartest will win the most in poker but they definitely won't lose as much and not nearly as often as the less intelligent players.

Let's first address the classic line that I hear from tournament defenders: You lose less because you can't lose more than your buy-in. While this is true, what they fail to see is that in cash games your bad beats are far more rapidly made up for with your consistent wins as bad beats happen only minority of times. Also if bets get huge, smarter players have the self control to fold a really great hand because the raise is getting to an amount where they wouldn't want to engage without the nuts.

Self control and having good read on players (as well as basic understanding of hand probability) are why the idea of only losing the buy-in is negated because you win back faster what you lost if you're a smart cash game player.

Tournaments are unfair on smart players because the luck later on means no matter how well you played so far, you can get knocked out due to big stacks going full loose aggressive and you know you can't win back what you lost, like you could in a cash game. On the other hand, this attracts the more foolish players because they know they can beat smarter players as the minimum bet increases meaning that the ones who took dumb risks earlier on now have the stack size to bully the smart players into all or nothing situations to tilt them into a high risk scenario.


wow i totally dig this analogy i find it to be so on point and ive never had it explained quite the way you have. Im fairly new to tounament play and have found it to be full of loose player but i havent ventured into playing tournaments other then freerolls.
 
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So are you saying that someone like a rocket scientist would be able to kick everybodys butt in a poker game? The way I am taking what you are saying is that a really smart person would be able to beat someone in poker that is not quite as smart as they are.

Every single person on the planet that plays poker has a certain type of thing they like to play in poker. Some people like to play for fun and not risk any money at all. Some will only play for money. Some will play only cash games, while other people will play only tourneys. There are all kinds of people that are somewhere inbetween all of these too. Just because one person likes a poker tourney, doesn't mean they are not as smart as someone that likes to play only a cash game. It doesn't mean that they are smarter than the cash game player either. Even if you are talking about poker IQ and not outside of poker IQ everyone has their own thing that they like best and even what they play best. Sometimes what they love to play and what they play best are the same thing and other times they are not the same thing.
 
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