Why The Smart Play Cash & Fools Play Tournaments

[Rational Madman]

Ok, what part of ur advice can i use to improve my cash game? Boooo, nothing! Even less than nothing coz when i see how u try to look smarter, insulting other players, there is an impression that you even dont undetstand what u write.

If you are a good tournament player the top four tips I will give you to dominate cash games (instead of tournaments) are these:

1) Keep the tournament skills in terms of EARLY tournament play. As soon as a tournament hits what you mentally register as 'mid-game' no longer retain your skills or analysis as you are in perpetual early-game in cash games.

2) Do not be as afraid to engage with weak hands if fewer people seem to be going for a hand and if the original raiser is a loose-aggressive player. The more the LAG player mentally registers of you calling him/her the less they will keep doing so as they learn to fear you especially if you beat them after underplaying them to the river. Taming LAG players is one of the most important skills and is much more necessary in cash games where a rich and/or lucky person can completely bully the whole table unless they learn that you will engage with them once in a while even with a mediocre hand and that you are unreadable post-flop as you let them bet into you.

3) Do not play to protect blinds, play to profit plain and simple. You should always be willing to fold if anyone who you don't read as 'loose' is engaging you consistently at the flop, turn etc. If you don't have nuts and they appear to be showing severe strength, then you can learn the hard way (if you want) or take if from me that you are being out-drawn and should only engage non-loose players with nut-like hands if they keep showing aggression back to your bets.

4) Past the flop, playing passive is only a good idea against very aggressive players, otherwise not betting is pointless because easy consistent bluffs against very tight tables is how you profit here and against non-tight tables betting still helps you know how strong their hands are as loose-passive players may suddenly reraise showing strength you otherwise wouldn't have known their hand to have and is how you get caught by drawing 2pair on the river to their superior 2pair on the flop etc.

 

[OzExorcist]

Ugh seriously, how many times are you going to make the same post?!?

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/gen...ation-cash-games-superior-tournaments-339993/
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/why-we-better-players-hahahahaha-340985/
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tou...-than-boredom-what-reason-tournaments-341435/
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/general-poker-13/cash-games-better-than-tournaments-players-345635/

You're just trolling at this point, right?

 

[Rational Madman]

Ugh seriously, how many times are you going to make the same post?!?

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/gen...ation-cash-games-superior-tournaments-339993/
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/why-we-better-players-hahahahaha-340985/
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tou...-than-boredom-what-reason-tournaments-341435/
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/general-poker-13/cash-games-better-than-tournaments-players-345635/

You're just trolling at this point, right?

Thank you for your input. If you think I am spamming there are mods to go cry to.

 

[CryptoBlood]

Cash games is not good to play like a poker tournaments lol.In cash games rake is really big and in tournaments you dont need to double your amount of chips to get double price ,you just need to survive until some users lose their chips.

 

[ph_il]

Wrong, what you see on the as winning tournament player is still losing so many tournaments off camera and even on it including negreanu.

It's too much luck.

The thing with MTTs is that you don't need to cash in/win every game to profit.

If you only look at MTTs as games won vs games lost, then yeah, every profitable MTT player will have lost more games than they have cashed in. That's a fact, but MTT profit doesn't come from cashing in more games than you've lost, it comes from cashing high enough to make up for those games you didn't cash in.

I'll use me as an example, even though my sample size is a bit low. I have 303 MTTs played with an ITM of 16.5% [10-20% is a decent range]. That means I've only cashed in ~50 MTTs and ~250 I didn't. So already, it's obvious I have busted out of more MTTs than I've cashed. However, my ROI is 123.25%. So, Im still profiting overall, even though I bust out more than I cash.

 

[Alex Kim27]

I absolutely disagree with you. Cash games and tournaments have their advantages and disadvantages. Each player can choose a game that he likes. I do not think that the choice of the game can determine the player, smart or fool. and I think the fool will not win a prize spot among 20,000 participants

 

[BukuDuckets]

Whether or not IQ is really intelligence or simply one form of intelligence, there clearly are smarter and dumber people on Earth. I am not saying that the smartest will win the most in poker but they definitely won't lose as much and not nearly as often as the less intelligent players.

Let's first address the classic line that I hear from tournament defenders: You lose less because you can't lose more than your buy-in. While this is true, what they fail to see is that in cash games your bad beats are far more rapidly made up for with your consistent wins as bad beats happen only minority of times. Also if bets get huge, smarter players have the self control to fold a really great hand because the raise is getting to an amount where they wouldn't want to engage without the nuts.

Self control and having good read on players (as well as basic understanding of hand probability) are why the idea of only losing the buy-in is negated because you win back faster what you lost if you're a smart cash game player.

Tournaments are unfair on smart players because the luck later on means no matter how well you played so far, you can get knocked out due to big stacks going full loose aggressive and you know you can't win back what you lost, like you could in a cash game. On the other hand, this attracts the more foolish players because they know they can beat smarter players as the minimum bet increases meaning that the ones who took dumb risks earlier on now have the stack size to bully the smart players into all or nothing situations to tilt them into a high risk scenario.

I honestly think the reason you made this post is because you are frustrated with tournaments and the patience they require.

I find there are two types of people who think like this about tournaments:

1)Really impatient adrenaline junkies who burn off multiple buyins donking off all their chips early and registering for new tournies right after in the heat of tilt, without assessing their game or the structure of the tourney or the other players.

2)Experienced tournament players getting moderate results. They play long hours and go deep and cash but never higher than 17th place or so, usually due to one single mistake after hours of great focused play. These players cash for 10 to 20 times their buy in, after being in first place numerous times and having a shot at cashing for 1000 times their buy in, or worse they bubble. (To be honest, I fall into this category). I know tournaments are better than cash games, but after playing for 5 hours only to win $20 or $40, when I could have 10 times that in the same time in a cash game it is frustrating. The key difference is patience though because in the cash game, I could have also lost 10 to 20 times that but the same can't be said for a tournament.

 

[Rational Madman]

I honestly think the reason you made this post is because you are frustrated with tournaments and the patience they require.

I find there are two types of people who think like this about tournaments:

1)Really impatient adrenaline junkies who burn off multiple buyins donking off all their chips early and registering for new tournies right after in the heat of tilt, without assessing their game or the structure of the tourney or the other players.

2)Experienced tournament players getting moderate results. They play long hours and go deep and cash but never higher than 17th place or so, usually due to one single mistake after hours of great focused play. These players cash for 10 to 20 times their buy in, after being in first place numerous times and having a shot at cashing for 1000 times their buy in, or worse they bubble. (To be honest, I fall into this category). I know tournaments are better than cash games, but after playing for 5 hours only to win $20 or $40, when I could have 10 times that in the same time in a cash game it is frustrating. The key difference is patience though because in the cash game, I could have also lost 10 to 20 times that but the same can't be said for a tournament.

Unlike the typical cash game player I can sit at a table for four hours and constantly increase my stack. The way I cope with others getting big and trying to chunk me is to genuinely let them sometimes with a semi good hand and later like a snake in the grass they bet into me but this time I have a solid nut hand and they knew my range would include worse hands so they pay me off. I rinse and repeat but that does NOT mean that I am repetitive or predictable as a player. I typically twotable sometimes three and pay full focus to the other 14-16+ (other multi tablers are counted once) on my tables.

 

[vinnie]

Unlike the typical cash game player I can sit at a table for four hours and constantly increase my stack. The way I cope with others getting big and trying to chunk me is to genuinely let them sometimes with a semi good hand and later like a snake in the grass they bet into me but this time I have a solid nut hand and they knew my range would include worse hands so they pay me off. I rinse and repeat but that does NOT mean that I am repetitive or predictable as a player. I typically twotable sometimes three and pay full focus to the other 14-16+ (other multi tablers are counted once) on my tables.

Ready to post your results? You talk a big game, but refuse to actually prove that you can beat even the smallest stakes.

 

[Rational Madman]

Ready to post your results? You talk a big game, but refuse to actually prove that you can beat even the smallest stakes.

You will know the truth once I am the best tournament player on earth

 

[vinnie]

You will know the truth once I am the best tournament player on earth

Tournament, cash games, I don't care. We all know you can't beat either form.

 

[Rational Madman]

Tournament, cash games, I don't care. We all know you can't beat either form.

I've reported you because this is direct taunting discouragement and bullying. Get lost from my threads you pathetic ball of pessimism.

 

[vinnie]

You have had HEM for over a month now, and you promised to post your results around this time. I am just pointing out that you make incredible claims, but you have failed to ever provide any evidence of these claims. You disparage other players and forms, but you don't even prove that you're beating the form you claim is best.

You can report me. It's silly and immature, but I can't stop that. Reporting me doesn't hide the fact that you have been asked to step up and provide evidence to support your claims, and you consistently refuse to do that.

 

[ankitantil]

Wrong, skilled player often can lose a tournament

Hahaha than why all world top poker players participate in wsop events. I guess you are new in poker thats why you are trying to prove your statement.

 

[korneel]

it's just different, you can't play the same style on bout cash and tournament.

 

[vov4ik]

not always fools play tournaments, there are professionals who raise good amounts of money in tournaments and they like it, and many ordinary people who pay little for the tournament and win a lot only in tournaments, but the game in the tournament takes a lot of time and patience, each player himself chooses where to play it

 

[ph_il]

You will know the truth once I am the best tournament player on earth

So, we'll never know is what you're saying.

 

[Debi]

Thank you for your input. If you think I am spamming there are mods to go cry to.

He doesn't need to - we are pretty tired of it ourselves. If you have anything else to say about it - have a respectful discussion in one of your existing silly threads. Do not start another one.

And stop being a troll.

 

[Adriemoren]

Adrenaline junkie

Jeah Men!
I need a terapist! Jajaja

 

[onondaga]

If you are a good tournament player the top four tips I will give you to dominate cash games (instead of tournaments) are these:

i dont need any tips man, i used to play any two cards and thats fine for me :top:

You will know the truth once I am the best tournament player on earth

no you not! how can you write that mtt is for fools and say that you are the best mmt players, oh! i understand what you mean

I've reported you because this is direct taunting discouragement and bullying. Get lost from my threads you pathetic ball of pessimism.

can you make a list of members youd like to unsubscribe from your thread?
.... and post it here!

 

[RidersFan]

Whether or not IQ is really intelligence or simply one form of intelligence, there clearly are smarter and dumber people on Earth. I am not saying that the smartest will win the most in poker but they definitely won't lose as much and not nearly as often as the less intelligent players.

So you say the smart players play cash, you play cash therefore you are smart, your known logic. Yet you don't fully grasp the concept of IQ. IQ is not intelligences or a form of intelligence, it's a measure of ones intelligence. The debate is whether it's an accurate representation of intelligence. I would say that it isn't but it's the best way to measure intelligence that we have at this point. I only point this out because for your relentlessly attempts to push this absurd idea that cash game players are better and smarter than tournament players. I play both btw.

 

[Poker_Mike]

I say stick to what works for you.
Whatever format you have had success with is what you should continue to do.


But let me ask you this....how many times have you 20x your money at the cash table?


That is a great reward for a long day of poker!

 

[playinggameswithu]

Cash game are for the highly skilled and steady it is not possible to win a lot of money in cash without risking a lot. It is way harder to win money than lose it.

 

[Mikeloti13]

I play cash games just for a thrill of winning against opponents live. While i play tournaments to win big money. Rarely play online cash games.

 

[Peppinotom]

You will know the truth once I am the best tournament player on earth

Best Joker ever:dancing2: BTW IQ 132, should I throw away my money to the sharks? Looks like I'm intelligent enough not to do so, bro!