1luckysob
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If you have AA the less players in the hand the better dude 8-9 all ins before you means the chances of your aces cracked is much higher. I'm looking to iso when I get AA
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If you have AA the less players in the hand the better dude 8-9 all ins before you means the chances of your aces cracked is much higher. I'm looking to iso when I get AA
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baudib1
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wrong
The more players in the hand, the better. In this case we don't have any chance to ISO since the whole table went all-in.
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BlueNowhere
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wtf?Awful thinking in both cash and tourney play.
MasterOfDisaster
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Of course you always play AA PF (Unless a sat or DON)
Here is a example where 76s multiway is a favourite it would be even more with the other 22 added.
Hand equity Wins Ties
AdAh 25.35% 12,728 310,070
AsAc 25.17% 11,541 310,070
KsKc 0.59% 72 9,430
KhKd 0.59% 72 9,430
2h2d 19.63% 128,686 2,800
7s6s 28.67% 188,209 2,800
Not like this is ever going to happen
Here is a example where 76s multiway is a favourite it would be even more with the other 22 added.
Hand equity Wins Ties
AdAh 25.35% 12,728 310,070
AsAc 25.17% 11,541 310,070
KsKc 0.59% 72 9,430
KhKd 0.59% 72 9,430
2h2d 19.63% 128,686 2,800
7s6s 28.67% 188,209 2,800
Not like this is ever going to happen
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calicard
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The more players in the hand, the better. In this case we don't have any chance to ISO since the whole table went all-in.
If this were the case. That as you state the more players in the hand the better. Then why not limp with AA every hand.
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micromachine
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Is this a serious question?
Baudib was talking about the hypothetical situation where everyone goes all in and you have AA in the BB - even though you only win the hand like 25% of the time or whatever it is, it is still +EV to call/shove because you could increase your chipstack by 9X.
In reality, this scenario won't happen and by limping you allow several shit hands to enter the pot and potentially outdraw you. And if they don't hit anything then they will likely fold and you won't win much anyway. So you should raise AA to build the pot and also, importantly, to reduce the number villains you are up against, and hence the likelihood of being outdrawn.
The crucial difference is that in the hypothetical example the villains are already all in.
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baudib1
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When you limp, you aren't building a pot. When 8 people go all in in front of you, the pot is as big as it can ever be.
Do you understand simple math?
Say you have $10,000 in tournament chips, as does everyone else at the table. 8 people go all in and you have AA.
35% of the time you will win and have $90,000 chips. The rest of the time you will lose.
Break it down to smaller fractions. Let's say 1 in 3 times you will win and have $90,000. The other times you have 0. On average you will $30,000 by always calling with AA.
If you fold AA, you will have $10,000. Worse yet, someone at your table will have $80,000.
$30,000 > $10,000
and more importantly
$90,000 1 in 3 times + $0 2 in 3 times > $30,000 > $10,000
Do you understand simple math?
Say you have $10,000 in tournament chips, as does everyone else at the table. 8 people go all in and you have AA.
35% of the time you will win and have $90,000 chips. The rest of the time you will lose.
Break it down to smaller fractions. Let's say 1 in 3 times you will win and have $90,000. The other times you have 0. On average you will $30,000 by always calling with AA.
If you fold AA, you will have $10,000. Worse yet, someone at your table will have $80,000.
$30,000 > $10,000
and more importantly
$90,000 1 in 3 times + $0 2 in 3 times > $30,000 > $10,000
OMGITSOVER9K
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calicard
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Originally Posted by BovadaReg
If you have AA the less players in the hand the better dude 8-9 all ins before you means the chances of your aces cracked is much higher. I'm looking to iso when I get AA
wtf?Awful thinking in both cash and tourney play.
Yes my question is serious. They both emphatically stated the more players the better.
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orangepeeleo
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Thread is an embarrassment to this forum, cardschat feels like some sort of ****in special school atm
Srsly, imagine someone who has a clue about poker, looking for a new forum, dropping into cc and first thing they see is this thread.....
"It's like a bunch of retards tryin to **** a door knob"
A quote that often comes into my head these days lol
Srsly, imagine someone who has a clue about poker, looking for a new forum, dropping into cc and first thing they see is this thread.....
"It's like a bunch of retards tryin to **** a door knob"
A quote that often comes into my head these days lol
calicard
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That is your opinion how you would play. My opinion is different. As to someone at your table having 80,000 chips they would break the table and you would be moved. If you want to flip at 35% that is fine for you but I would prefer better odds. That once again is my opinion
calicard
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This post was not even about AA it was about who you have a better chance of beating in tournament play. Weekend drunks or serious players. Then it worked into the everyone all in scenario and from there it just ballooned into a cluster %$#@. of opinions.
The reason this post was started was because on the weekends you get more players shoving all in pre with any two cards.
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ben_rhyno
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How is it even a question? How many drunk recreational fish are there during weekdays than compared to the end of the week, after work ,when they are blowing off steam with a few beers. If you can't handle playing against idiots then maybe you shouldn't play?
OMGITSOVER9K
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and everyone who posteds point was you have a better time beating the fish, ALL THE TIME. This is why a lot of regs play more on the weekend than they do during the week.
When you reply to this, state, in full, why you believe playing against decent players is better than playing against fish/donkeys/you. I honestly want to understand your theory than resorting to name calling.
Go on, do it.
micromachine
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Hmm maybe Cali is just trying to wind us up lol.
calicard
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My theory is if you look at the pic I posted this kind of crap happens much more on Friday and Saturday nights than on Monday mornings.You get to see more flops when you have a hand like 99. where as if you are sitting in the BB with a tier 3 hand and 4 players are all in ahead of you you have to fold your hand unless of course you want to take the shot and gamble.
micromachine
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Read what Baudib wrote regarding the maths for the hypothetical AA probem (post #57) again/properly, and try to get your head around it.
calicard
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I really do not want to get back on the AA subject. This post was not about AA it was about navigating your way through the minefields of the massive all ins during weekend play compared to the more slow paced play of a Monday morning. I have read his post and I do understand exactly what he is saying.
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