Question about unorthodox player in home game

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mgl_8

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Hi. I'm a fairly new but serious player. I've been reading a lot about the game, attended at WPT Boot Camp, and play often online and once or twice a week at home, live and in person. One of my home games often includes two players who are not complete novices but are still pretty raw. One of these players views suited cards as extremely strong, irrespective of their size, and she chases them often. She's had a lot of initial luck. Her tactic is generally to get in (and will call a preflop raise), and then if one of her suit shows up on the flop, she will call a raise; if two show, she will make a big raise. You really can't shake her off, and she's had enough good results that she won't back down. She's not totally clueless and knows enough to play "traditional" strong hands also, so it can be difficult to put her on a hand. Any advice on how to operate against this kind of player? The games are usually 6-8 players, with blinds going up every 15 minutes. Thanks in advance for your feedback.
 
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Avoid playing against her unless you have a top notch hand. But it seems she only makes a big raise when she has a big hand or a four card flush. so if she continues to bet large on the flop you can easily fold, because she either has a large pocket pair or at worst a four card flush draw. unless you hit your big hand, and if you do you need to make it an unprofitable chase for her flush draws, so bet more then the pot, anything less and she will have pot odds and mathmatically making the right play. Alot of people ask questions on how to play in certain situations and one rule I go by is if its that tough of a discision then just fold. Bottom line you need to look for situations where you are sure you have the best of it to get your money in. You just need to play more cautiosly against her knowing she likes those suited connectors. But to really find out where you are in a hand try to re-raise her and that should give you all the information you need to determaine the right play. If she re-raise she has hit the flop big, if she calls she is drawing to the flush. Just try to play around until you find a good aproach against her.
 
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rounder is right but is this player actually looking at pot odds. alot of these chasers dont say to themselves "well i'm getting good pot odds to make the call" most of them just have had alot of luck and call hoping to hit and then look like a or should i say feel like a good player when they catch their flush. I had a guy in my home game who sounds like a carbon copy of that woman and i will tell you their luck will run out. I t may take a while but eventually chasing and playing like an idiot is not profitable. The guy in my home game made it to the money almost every week for about 2 months strait since then he has been the bubble boy almost every week and he is slowly learning playing any suited cards is a losing game and it also makes him the butt of many jokes at the table. I will tell you he is becoming a better player but early in the game he still plays like a donk gets lucky then tightenss up too much, and eventually the blinds cause him to go all in on a medeoker hand
 
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Off subject how was the WPT boot camp?
 
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play tighter? hmmmmm......

i think playing tighter gets 1st place in most used as an advice these days.

i would get into as many pots with these two players as possible. i guess it depends on the post flop play of the hero, but this sounds like a good opportunity to pick up chips.
 
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when reading the title of this thread i could just picture a guy that plays in my home game, and took 2nd to me last week out of 8.
 
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baby kahuna

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Well what kinds of cards are you coming in with? Are they top 10% hands? Is she always catching her flush or does she suck out on a higher pair than you when missing her flush? Remember on the river she is going to make her flush roughly about 1 out 5 times. You yourself are going to have to have the hand to beat her right off. You must make her pay for drawing against you hoping for a good card. She raises you with only 2 of her cards on the board reraise her and dare her to catch. Punish her.
 
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Rounder D: I have only come in with strong hands; for instance, 4x raise with AK suited on the button and she calls with J7 suited. (See if you can guess what happened next, :) )
Buckmaster: I'm sure she's not calculating pot odds. I doubt she knows what they are, LOL.
Paw_kit: The Boot Camp was very informative. There were three pros, each with differences in their approach, so that provided interesting insights. My main complaint was that only one of the pros was around to critique and comment when we played our camp tourney; the other two were off playing in the casino. But overall, it was a great learning experience. Unfortunately I was out of the country and unable to play poker for a while immediately afterward, so I didn't get to quickly rehearse and try out all that I had learned, but I'm trying to get back into the swing now. I think it made me a better player both in terms of answers I got and questions I realized I should be asking.
baby kahuna: Definitely I am playing strong hands. I don't recall ever losing a hand to her with top pair, and if we get to the river, I am typically in good shape. I'm going to try heeding your advice. Last week I got in twice with strong drawing hands like AK and you know the frustration attendant with losing when the flop comes up air and your opponent, who was chasing a flush, just happens to hit a small card that holds up the rest of the way (irrespective of how you bet, it seems).

I think another way to describe how she plays is that she has no respect for the bet - particularly pre-flop. She freely admitted that she does not think about what anybody else has, only what she has, which reinforced my observation that I needed to have strong cards against her. It will be interesting to see what happens next time we play.

Thank you again. Other opinions welcome! I really appreciate the feedback.
 
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Yes you may have strong hands quit re-raising pre-flop, she's gonna call any way. why risk chips without a made hand AKs is not a made hand it is nothing until you hit, so if you have AKs and she has J7s and no ace or king hits what do you got, NOTHING! This type of player play passively until the river when you know you have the best of it then jam the pot, quit trying to jam it early it doesn't sound like she is ever gonna just fold. Like Chris Furgeson says although AK is a strong starting hand its only AK. Just quit jamming early and look for better spots I mean your example of AKs against J7s is all a speculative hand you both have nothing with 5 cards to come.
 
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I agree with Rounders second post.

Don't rush to get all your chips in against this type of play, aggressive protection is useless against call stations. Make her pay to catch the flush, but make sure it doesn't make you broke if it happens. You want her drawing, and you want her paying, but you don't want to go broke the times she catches. Its also an easy way to put her on a hand. Even if they have position on you...

Your preflop raise is called, (2 to a flush on flop) bet, call. (blank) bet, call. (blank) bet, fold.

If the river gives the flush, you check. Im going to guess this type of player isn't one to bluff at a lot of pots. If the money is in when the flush is there, you get out and save your self a quick exit.

Also, try to get into more pots where you have position on this type of player. They will let you see lots of cards and you can take shots drawing at them.
 
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