Question about taxes from poker in Russia

[Mickflava888]

I'm from Russia. And I have the same questions about taxes for poker gains (cashout). Online poker in Russia on a semi-legal position. Poker sites are blocked, but everyone is playing poker. This is Russia.

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[kara260588]

the topic is already 3 years old, and there is not one answer. and it really seems that no one pays taxes in Russia from poker. Or whoever pays just doesn't communicate here.
these years I was not particularly interested in this question, since there was nothing to withdraw everything that I won, I lost everything with the same success. This year I have withdrawn small amounts, but then I have also deposited them into the poker account. And now I began to worry again.

 

[kidrock1211]

Not sure anything about Russia's taxes. But I do know is Russia isn’t a gambling-friendly nation. Legislation passed in 2006 banned online gambling while legislation passed in 2009 banned all forms of gambling across the nation except in four designated zones. Nevertheless, Russians continue to gamble online at unlicensed offshore operators.The Russian government also maintains a blacklist of websites that all ISPs are required to block. Included in the list are porn sites, websites that promote criminal activity and, of course, anything related to gambling. The censorship program isn’t perfect, but it does make it difficult for Russians to access any form of internet wagering.
Things weren’t always this dire. Prior to 2006, most major international gambling sites were accessible to Russians. There were even companies based out of Russia that offered their services to citizens. That all changed in 2006 when Russian updated its laws to ban internet gaming and restrict access to casino sites, poker sites and sportsbooks.
It is still possible to place bets online in Russia; it just isn’t easy. The Russian ISP blacklist does a pretty thorough job of filtering websites that offer real money games to Russians. That list was updated again in 2014 and it now includes the likes of PokerStars, Party Poker, Full Tilt, Intertops, and many other big names in poker and gambling.
Most of the sites on the blacklist continue to offer their services to Russian players. The only problem is many of those players can’t even access the websites today. This leaves it up to the player to find a way to log on.

 

[4give4live]

Maybe someone will tell me what we are obliged to pay for, especially in Russia?) Not to mention that poker is prohibited. That's funny. People in Russia can hardly pay for utilities, those who pay, offcourse))

 

[4give4live]

So that you understand how things are in Russia, I will tell you a funny story that happened a couple of days ago. I passed verification in skrill and they demanded proof of my residence. I went to the bank for a statement. Skrill’s discharge was rejected, without explanation. When asked about the reason for the rejection, they did not answer the question. I turned to the wonderful people from the support service of vipdeposits.ru, who explained to me that the document must have the seal of the bank and the signature of the employee who issued the document. I went to the bank. When asked whether there should be a seal on the document, he asked - "why?") When he heard about the signature, his face turned white and completely refused to put it) Having agreed to the seal, he said that the Internet did not work for them) I had to return home for an old statement. Returning to the bank and handing out the statement to the employee, he asked ....... "where to put the seal?")) On forehead - I thought) In the end he succeeded) And the account was verified.
Now you know a little more about Russia and its state-owned banks. I hope I did not disappoint))
P.S. I keep thinking about the woman to whom this employee talked for 40 minutes about how much she pays on the loan, and how much after taking a new one and "writing off" the old loan she will have to pay. God help her))

 

[mkdrummey]

If online poker is not permitted in Russia, how come the majority of low stakes cash tables have Russian players? It can't be VPN because this is against the rules of the operators. Also wouldn't using VPN make your location somewhere other than Russia?

 

[mervin88]

I live in Philippines and not winning any money from poker but if I win I can keep it all yey

 

[hugh blair]

the topic is already 3 years old, and there is not one answer. and it really seems that no one pays taxes in Russia from poker. Or whoever pays just doesn't communicate here.
these years I was not particularly interested in this question, since there was nothing to withdraw everything that I won, I lost everything with the same success. This year I have withdrawn small amounts, but then I have also deposited them into the poker account. And now I began to worry again.

Do not worry kara260588 hopefully somebody knows if it is a bear in the room for you I recommend hiring a tax advisor if worried about it.
Maybe if it is a huge profit and it is liable for taxation and owed to the authorities you might need a tax specialist who knows the laws of the land as tax law is very complicated worldwide,:dontknow:
https://www.ersj.eu/dmdocuments/20.KOLTSOVA_XXI_S1_18.pdf
You have got to be keeping proper records and receipts each year for all profits and deductions like losses and expenditure as any errors,discrepancies and filing problems might cause severe penalties to be issued to you,
Anyway I added in Russia to your title in first post so hopefully you can get a response from somebody who might know from your Country as 3 years a long time waiting on an answer hope this helps.

 

[Risto234]

But I do not mind knowing how things are in other countries.

Here pretty much all gambling wins are tax free which is probably great news for anyone and specially to these lucky people who manage to win huge amounts like happened to 2 people from my country this month who won 90k or so earlier this month (not with poker though but with casino & sports betting) ...

 

[Rob Hobson]

Anyway...the Russians poker players rip, ain't it!

 

[samsonand]

I did not know that in Russia gambling was paid especially for being a very restricted country in several things

 

[LitPavel]

In my opinion, five years ago I read an article on the website of the poker school pokerstars in which they interviewed a Russian player who won a major tournament in some event, but this is not the point, as I understood from the article, only large winnings are taxed (up to 10,000 dollars I think are not taxed) and everything else seemed to have a figure of 13% of the amount. Although a lot of time has passed and something may have changed.

 

[4give4live]

The real taxes for most poker players from Russia are currency conversion. Since Skrill, neteller and Eco stopped sending cards to Russia, we have to look for other sophisticated and wasteful ways of withdrawing funds, with a 2 - 3-stage procedure, with conversion and commissions at each stage.

 

[LitPavel]

The real taxes for most poker players from Russia are currency conversion. Since Skrill, Neteller and Eco stopped sending cards to Russia, we have to look for other sophisticated and wasteful ways of withdrawing funds, with a 2 - 3-stage procedure, with conversion and commissions at each stage.

If one of your accounts receives more than 600,000 rubles, the Bank will report it to the tax service. It's easier to be honest than greedy.

 

[kara260588]

If one of your accounts receives more than 600,000 rubles, the Bank will report it to the tax service. It's easier to be honest than greedy.

Well, up to 600,000 thousand is very far from me. there are just such numbers that when you win the lottery or bet. everything whiter than 4k needs to pay 13% tax. And here is whether you need to pay tax on poker withdrawals. and I exceeded this amount by withdrawing and then making a deposit again. and so several times. In the end, of course, I returned only mine without profit. but because of these deposits and withdrawals, it turned out that more than 4k money.I agree that you need to live honestly. For the reason that I am unlucky in such moments.

 

[kara260588]

but I also realized that in the poker community it is not proper to ask questions about taxes.

 

[cheeeer]

If one of your accounts receives more than 600,000 rubles, the Bank will report it to the tax service. It's easier to be honest than greedy.

Where do you take these numbers? I heard banks don't care if sum is less $20K. Earlier. But recently about 5K.

Well, up to 600,000 thousand is very far from me. there are just such numbers that when you win the lottery or bet. everything whiter than 4k needs to pay 13% tax. And here is whether you need to pay tax on poker withdrawals. and I exceeded this amount by withdrawing and then making a deposit again. and so several times. In the end, of course, I returned only mine without profit. but because of these deposits and withdrawals, it turned out that more than 4k money.I agree that you need to live honestly. For the reason that I am unlucky in such moments.

And where do you take these numbers? And did you withdraw on your bank account or card? Or e-wallet?
No. I heard about 5K and it is sum at once. Not sum of all your transfers.

 

[kara260588]

Where do you take these numbers? I heard banks don't care if sum is less $20K. Earlier. But recently about 5K.


And where do you take these numbers? And did you withdraw on your bank account or card? Or e-wallet?
No. I heard about 5K and it is sum at once. Not sum of all your transfers.

I found on the Internet that in Russia you need to pay tax when you receive a prize in a lottery or any other competition, everything is above 4000 rubles. I use a QIWI wallet

 

[TCHUCO2005]

Any place in the world where you play poker and win something, it is taxed, some with higher rates, in Brazil any sale or purchase of credits is taxed, I think that in all countries it is like that

 

[gena31]

the amount of 4000 rubles per year is not taxed, in excess of already you have to pay 13%. let's say you won 100,000 rubles 100,000 - 4,000 = 96,000 - your tax will be 13% = 12,480 rubles

 

[kara260588]

the amount of 4000 rubles per year is not taxed, in excess of already you have to pay 13%. let's say you won 100,000 rubles 100,000 - 4,000 = 96,000 - your tax will be 13% = 12,480 rubles

Thanks. I understand that for 2020 it will be necessary to apply for taxes next year.

 

[LitPavel]

Where do you take these numbers? I heard banks don't care if sum is less $20K. Earlier. But recently about 5K.


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About 600,000 here:


In Russia, the Federal law "on countering the legalization (laundering) of proceeds from crime and the financing of terrorism" No. 115 of 07.08.2001 is in force. Under this law, the Bank tracks only those transactions that, in its opinion, may be questionable. In this case, the Bank may require providing information confirming the legality of the transaction. At the same time, information about such an operation is transmitted not to the Tax Inspectorate, but to Rosfinmonitoring. However, if you cash out more than 600,000 rubles, then the Bank must notify the Federal tax service.

Thus, if there is an operation for less than 600,000 rubles, then only Rosfinmonitoring can find out about it. As for the Tax Inspectorate, the Bank is not required to send a notification for such operations.

 

[LitPavel]

In General, everything that concerns the amount less than 600,000 is on the conscience of the taxpayer himself, whether they will be interested in you or not is unknown. But the fact is that the poker tax is 13% and is paid only from the amount of more than 4,000 rubles.

 

[Ultfrozen]

so far, no one seems to be paying)

 

[cheeeer]

So, did I understand right if you withdraw and then deposit the same amount you don't need to pay? And then you can withdraw on your bank account? Or better e-wallet anyway?