Poor Sportsmanship at it's worst

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The only problem with sueing this low life, is that if he's been arrested for this several times and just lost the last of his rent money with his brilliant poker play .... chances are there will be no way to collect from him even if you win a civil case. I'm sure if you get a lawyer he (or she) will figure out how to blame the casino or some other deep pocket for it and, hopefully you'll get paid off.
 
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Sue him even if does have no assets. You never know when a gambler will hit the big one, then you can sick your lawyer on him. This is interesting from a legal standpoint. Can you sue in state court for an assault committed on an Indian reservation? Can he get a "3 strikes" conviction since his crimes were committed in different states? I'll have to call my buddy that's doing that online degree.
 
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That's why I have a carry permit. You never know who is watching you while you are in a casino. I would never trust those rent a cops, they are underpaid and most will only go so far to help you. Read Doyle’s book super system II, he talks about a time when he was followed home by some thugs who intended to rob him. Doyle faked a heart attach to get them to leave him alone. I know people don’t like guns, but when you carry a lot of money in and out of these casinos you need to protect your self. If you don’t carry a weapon I use valet parking where that way there are usually people around.
 
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I'll go with the minority. You deserved a good tackle into the pavement after that horrific play worked out for you. And your comment was totally out of line BTW. "That's what you get when you play K4?" Come on now, you can't berate a guys play when you called a raise with A10 chasing to 4 outs on the turn.

Of course you’re joking right? Bad play or not you don't hide out in bushes and jump a guy because he made a donkey play and then got snippy with you because you ran your mouth after taking a bad beat. Bad beats happen everyday, yeah they piss you off and if you are a normal person you know you will get your money back eventually if they continue to play that way. Try playing limit hold’em that kind of stuff happens over and over.
 
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There are those that should and those that shouldn't play Hold em.

Hope everything works out.
 
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Wow that is just horrible. I hope this guys spends a few years in prison for this,. Just ridiculous crap. This guy makes Phil Hellmuth look like a saint. I hope that you dont need too much dental surgery and stuff.

Really hope you are doing better and take it easy. I say next time just sit back and let the cards speak for themselves
 
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Well as I see it calling a raise with k4 was the mistake here. After he made that call he deserved to lose that pot. The best hand pre-flop held up at the end. Without history of how he played other hands calling the re-raise might not be a bad call depending on his aggression factor. If he called this time with K4os I am sure Sean could have seen him play other hands just as bad or worse. What is Barry's new catch phrase "Math is overrated" sometimes you need to rely on your instincts. I think it is hard to judge the quality of play based on one hand. Many other factors come in to play in poker, especially live poker.
 
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That's why I have a carry permit. You never know who is watching you while you are in a casino. I would never trust those rent a cops, they are underpaid and most will only go so far to help you. Read Doyle’s book super system II, he talks about a time when he was followed home by some thugs who intended to rob him. Doyle faked a heart attach to get them to leave him alone. I know people don’t like guns, but when you carry a lot of money in and out of these casinos you need to protect your self. If you don’t carry a weapon I use valet parking where that way there are usually people around.

Wow..... and how much money would one have to carry around in order to justify carrying a gun? How much money is worth taking a life? This is not the old days when Doyle traveled around from town to town playing in illegal pokers games.
 
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I'll go with the minority. You deserved a good tackle into the pavement after that horrific play worked out for you. And your comment was totally out of line BTW. "That's what you get when you play K4?" Come on now, you can't berate a guys play when you called a raise with A10 chasing to 4 outs on the turn.

Please learn to read before commenting on a post. He had AJs and hit the str8 on the turn. I have no problem with the response "That's what you get when you play K4?". Out of line was the final action taken by the K4 playing DONKEY.
 
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hey Sean,

That is some story. That truly sucks what happened to you and it sounds like you've taken the phrase "bad beat story" to a whole new literal level!

In my opinion, with your pre-flop raise, he shouldn't have probably even been in the hand. But, he did catch a lucky flop and it might explain why he re-raised you, in hopes of possibly squelching a straight-chaser. I could very well be giving him too much credit. But by the turn, he definitely should have been thinking about your possibility of legitimately having a straight and your calling his re-raise should have tipped him off.
Regardless of his play, I feel you played the hand beatifully. I just can't believe he waited for you and attacked. I do not envy your position for the remainder of this case, my friend, and I'm sure he will get what is coming to him. Take care.
 
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Wow..... and how much money would one have to carry around in order to justify carrying a gun? How much money is worth taking a life? This is not the old days when Doyle traveled around from town to town playing in illegal pokers games.

Loosing the money is only a small part of my concern. The problem is the really bad guys often beat their victims (or worse), for instance the OP, that’s not something I intend to go through.

The incident that Doyle was referring to was relatively recent, it was in Vegas and at a "legitimate" casino, and they followed him home and tried to get him to open his safe.

There are lots of shady characters at these casinos, where there is a lot of cash around there are criminal sometimes very bad ones, you don’t have to carry a lot of cash to be targeted, they may just choose you randomly.

I’m not paranoid just trying to stay safe.
 
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Loosing the money is only a small part of my concern. The problem is the really bad guys often beat their victims (or worse), for instance the OP, that’s not something I intend to go through.

The incident that Doyle was referring to was relatively recent, it was in Vegas and at a "legitimate" casino, and they followed him home and tried to get him to open his safe.

There are lots of shady characters at these casinos, where there is a lot of cash around there are criminal sometimes very bad ones, you don’t have to carry a lot of cash to be targeted, they may just choose you randomly.

I’m not paranoid just trying to stay safe.

hey Paw,

what incident with Doyle are you talking about? I haven't heard about this. Tell me more...
 
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Doesn`t help a lot if an attacker jumps you from behind without warning. I have been hurt myself by a surprise attack of that kind, and I do have self defence training.


I disagree. I, too, have taken some intense training. One of the basic skills I learned was to be alert at all times and be ready to react instantly. Granted, it has made me kind of paranoid but, I feel I at least have a chance in any situation. The OP mentioned that he heard footsteps behind him. That would have been enough for me to react and snap into a defensive position. So I encourage OP to seek training. It couldn't hurt...

As far as sportsmanship is concerned. Well, when I decided to start playing poker for cash I wasn't the most pleasant guy to have at a table if you beat me. It was a learning curve that had to be developed by putting time in at the tables. After some time of playing and seeing so many possibilities poker offers, it just didn't seem reasonable to be one of the "penny pro" whiners out there. Yeah, poker is a head game and the strongest mind prevail. That doesn't mean you ignore the aspect of chance. I've never called someone a donk for making their flush draw on the river or any other similar situation. And I never will. I guess its an internal respect for the game and those who are willing to play it. Yeah, I got hit for half my stack but, I always say NH. We all know how it feels to hit our cards and double up. We also know how it feels to have someone try to ruin that feeling for you by being a complete tool. Well, I am not going to contribute to that negativity. I just show respect and work on stealing blinds and pots to work my way back until I hit a monster.

Another thing that contributes to good sportsmanship is if you lock horns with another big stack. You win by way of bluff or having the nuts and making the right bet to get him/her to fold. I show what I had as a courtesy so they know if they made a good lay down or not. I guess its a respect shown to someone willing to play instead of being a nit.

Maybe its wrong for me to do that but, I know how I feel when I have to fold aces. It would be nice to know if that was the right decision or not.


And for the OP. If you get attacked again just hit him in the pee pee. If its a girl well, enjoy it. hehe.
 
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That's why I have a carry permit. You never know who is watching you while you are in a casino. I would never trust those rent a cops, they are underpaid and most will only go so far to help you. Read Doyle’s book super system II, he talks about a time when he was followed home by some thugs who intended to rob him. Doyle faked a heart attach to get them to leave him alone. I know people don’t like guns, but when you carry a lot of money in and out of these casinos you need to protect your self. If you don’t carry a weapon I use valet parking where that way there are usually people around.



And some people (like me) can't carry a gun because they were bad 10 years ago... However, I can have a tazer gun and it turns out that cops prefer people to carry these because they are non lethal. Well, the gun is non-lethal but, what you do to their face with your boots after lighting them up can be very lethal...
 
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Wow . . . I thought I had it bad when people go off at me when they don't push hard enough to get me out of a hand and I hit what I'm looking for and their top pairs are no longer good. I'm sure that win wasn't quite worth a couple of lost teeth . . . that stinks. I've mainly just played against people I know or at least know of . . . this makes me scared of going out to casinos now haha. Then again, I guess I'm okay cause they wouldn't dare beat up a girl . . . or maybe they would. lol.
 
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Holy Sh*t Batman! I hope that psycho gets some serious hard time and the sh*t beat out of him on a daily basis while in prison! For you and all his other victims out there!

Best of luck to you in your recovery and I hope there isn't any permenant damage. I also hope this psycho has some $$ for you to recover expenses +. If he's that bad a player I fear he has nothing for you to sue him. That would totally suck. Has the casino offered anything to you for this? Not that it's their fault and it sounds like the response time was quick but just curious.


I had a bad experience as well, not like yours thank God. After playing at casinos for years I called a clock on a guy for the first time ever, I've never done it before this and haven't done it since.

The guy (Lonnie - but I call him Looney Lonnie now) was a rich trailor trash idiot from downstate that hit the lotto or something. He was drunk and being a total cash cow at the cash table. He had started fights with numerous people and 7 other players left the casino because of him. It was pretty bad and the players at our table kept asking the floor to not have him removed because he was dumping thousands at the cash table. To shorten the story I'll just say I called a very well deserved clock on him and he went ballastic. Start yelling and screaming at me, cussing and calling me every name under the book. I'm a female and not accustomed to these tantrums being directed at me but after trying to reason with him didn't work I finally asked the floor to call security.

Looney Lonnie refused to leave the table, they made us other 8 players all grab our stuff and move to another table, it took security 40 minutes to get him to leave the poker room and they didn't boot him cuz he was drunk and dumping a lot of serious dough in the casino. He kept coming over to the bar where all the players smoke at and yelling and screaming at me. I called security 2 more times on him and then when I left the poker room to go the nearest bathroom he followed me and I didn't see him until I came out and he got in my face screaming at me again. It was a slower night and I was alone and a bit freaked out, I darted away from him out towards the main gaming floor and he followed me, I got security to occcupy him while I gathered my things to leave the casino.

I requested security to walk me out to my car ( I had used valet) and while out in the waiting area outside for valet Looney came out and came towards me, I walked to the other side of the valet area and had to put a trash can between me and him. He had his hand in his pocket like he was reaching for a pocket knife or something and started playing ring around the rosey around the garbage can with me and never said a word, just stared at me, when the security guard finally subdued him. Then my truck was brought up by valet and the other valet guy brought up Looney's truck as well. I told security I was afraid he would try and follow me home and they told him to wait until after I pulled out and the lunatic floored his truck and darted towards the back of my truck while still in the casino parking lot. I made a loop and came back around to valet where the security guard was and they stopped him. Then they made me wait in my truck for 10 minutes while they sent Looney on his way. Security watched video to make sure he had left the grounds then I was allowed to leave. I was freaked out that he might have pulled off the side of the road and waiting for me but he had not.

This was last fall and a month ago this lunatic showed back up in the casino, played all night and kept making comments to me like "do I know you Miss?" "You look familar to me, have we played poker together before?". I just kept saying "nope, you have the wrong person" and walking away from him. I called the floor and security and told them if started anything at all that I expected them to throw him out and I would call the police. Nothing else happened but I found out he purchased a vacation home close to the casino I play at. Hopefully I won't have any more problems with him, at least I didn't get attacked like you did.
 
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^^^ Wonderful that the valet and security put the drunk behind the wheel and told him to drive home. He should have spent the night in jail.
 
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Wow.
He should be 86'd from that casino as well as do jail time.

Online I've had a couple people talk trash about what lousy play I've made especially when I reraised em telling them i had made my hand.

Their poor sportsmanship is a way of making up for their stupidity.

Hope you're feelin better.
 
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I have played enough pool in bars to know that when you beat someone and they react verbally, you have to let it go. When I was young, I was playing nine ball against a guy about twenty years older than me and he was nice enough until I took his money. Threatened me and wanted to do some damage. I bought him a a couple of drinks and he cooled down. I found out the next day, the guy he played after I left got a cuestick over the head. I felt good he got arrested but I could have been the guy on the floor bleeding instead of the other guy. Some people have a lot of things putting them on the edge (personal issues, etc. ) and they may be ready to blowup at any moment. You make a comment that puts them over the edge and then they explode. You didn't deserve that and I truly feel sorry for you getting injured like that. When it comes to gambling, people can be real jerks when they lose.
 
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Yeah, some people just don't know how to handle getting beat, regardless of the competition.
 
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Whatever comment you make, it's their deficiencies that put them over the edge...not your comment. To say your comment put them over the edge is blaming the wrong person.
 
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Wow wth, that's so messed up. Thank god it wasn't anything more serious than that!
 
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