AtomJapo
Enthusiast
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darthdimsky
Legend
Silver Level
You obviously haven' worked with women in a corporate environment. They are just as good, if not better, than the men. If you can experience this then it doesn't take a leap of imagination to see how good they can fare on the felt.
Poker isn't a priority in the life of many women. Simply that. It's the same reason why there weren't many female video gamers a decade back. Things are changing and it's only a matter of time before women dominate the tables just as equally as the men do.
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darthdimsky
Legend
Silver Level
:adore:
R
Rational Madman
Legend
Platinum Level
Ok but low stakes
R
Rational Madman
Legend
Platinum Level
They may be good in Corporate environment... Corporate environment attracts conformist people of both genders.
debriz
Rock Star
Silver Level
I agree with you, one thing..poker is a math game, usually men are good in math even in a class.
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Forbesy604
Rock Star
Silver Level
I see a fair amount of women on pokerstars myself
bmw13
Rock Star
Silver Level
To be honest...poker don;t need women to play its very fine how the things are going ...how its sounds like this ? On a forum with women telling to each other we should need more mans to make our neils or to cut our hair ... in world we have to have a balance otherwise we lost ourselves...
darthdimsky
Legend
Silver Level
This obviously shows you haven't worked in one. If you don't have said experience in a given environment/field then it's best to keep those opinions to yourself.
Your arguments reflect the same POVs that were used to keep women away from the workplace decades ago.
R
Rational Madman
Legend
Platinum Level
I have had 2-month long and three weeks long work experience at such environments and a dad whose entire career past age of around 23 has been entirely corporate.
Corporate jobs attract people who don't like to innovate but love to get used to a comfortable routine instead. In fact many crazy inventors had people who are suited of corporate jobs working in their labs but they themselves were far too creative for such an environment.
Anyway, in corporate environment both males and females can excel as the key trait to excel is conformity and both genders can have this.
darthdimsky
Legend
Silver Level
2-3 months is a drop in the ocean. To rise through corporate ranks you need to demonstrate leadership, ability to think outside the box, high adaptability and decisively quick thinking in times of emergencies. It is the exact opposite of the conformity you describe. But your opinion makes sense now because an internship would not expose you to people who have risen through the ranks with these qualities. Especially the women.
If all corporate environments were as dreary as you describe it to be, then blue chip companies would have a difficult time recruiting brilliant minds from ivy league colleges.
R
Rational Madman
Legend
Platinum Level
Brilliant minds don't go corporate; they go either freelance or contracted consultant route.
This is why the best detectives, surgeons, physicists etc all end up either founding a company for conformists to work for them or ignoring the money and going full on dedicated freelance for life.
10058765
Legend
Loyaler
Quite a statement, I like it but I think a challenge like that wouldn't prove anything.
I'd rather ignore statements saying women are not good at poker or BS like that.
I guess these statements come outof a lack of experience playing against women.
There's quite some active female members here at CC, although still outnumbered by male members (ofc I don't have the exact numbers).
What I do know outof experience and observing there's some tough players , as well male as female , which to me actually doesn't make a difference on it's own, as for me a player is a player, no matter their gender.
Still, guess you all want a statement, so I'd say I don't want more female players at the table as it will dramatically reduce my chances of winning
Although I say that with a grin, I think there's some truth in the latter of that statement.
I truely think,in general, percentage-wise there's way more losing male players, compared to female players and above that I also think male players lose more when it comes to net amounts.
It's up to you all to think about why is that , but I think I know the answers to it.
AshK44
Rock Star
Silver Level
Very well said. And yes it is a bold statement but I would just like a few people that made comments on this thread to put their money where their mouth is. Thank you for the response and input. Good luck on the tables my friend.
AshK44
Rock Star
Silver Level
Okay sounds good...I am swamped at work with it being a short week this week so early next week sometime? Monday Tuesday or Wednesday?
AshK44
Rock Star
Silver Level
R
Rational Madman
Legend
Platinum Level
Monday
Also you may win a heads-up tournament vs me... It's just that to profit over time in poker you need to inhibit the tendencies oestrogen gives you.
AshK44
Rock Star
Silver Level
Poker has many variables. I’m fine with a low stakes game after work on Monday. And how would you know what estrogen gives me? I think your problem is that testosterone only gives you enough blood to run one head at a time.
Alucard
Santoryu
Silver Level
OMFG! I'm loving this. If you guys want, I can set up a home game. 2 dollar 6 max table where only you 2 sit down. Then play for an agreed buy in amount. Or a couple sit n gos if you'd prefer.
One game wouldn't do justice so likely 2/3
Offered cause madman prefers cash
One game wouldn't do justice so likely 2/3
Offered cause madman prefers cash
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Rational Madman
Legend
Platinum Level
I mean before I finished puberty and stuff (was a semi-late bloomer (before some but after most began around early 15) only properly finished between 18 and 19), I actually was quite effeminate physically and mentally and I noticed in games that involved a significant degree of luck (such as card games, battlefield or Yahtzee), I was much worse than most but games that required being timid and passionate about seemingly boring things (such as chess, tower defense games or Scrabble) I excelled. The reason most chess champions are male and most strategy game champions are male is because females see competition differently to men and are not drawn to defeating people.
Females who are not very towards the masculine side hormonally may enjoy games of pure logic far more than men and excel at them but they Garner very little joy from dominating a field of pure logic, it's as if they don't like to be the best but genuinely want to throw themselves into lines of work where it's always a challenge for them which I can totally respect and it's why the females if all societies throughout history and even today end up excelling in careers where you never really become the best but instead constantly face a whole new array of challenges each day, that doesn't mean women are more drawn to chaos than men it means that they like the difficulty and thrill of overcoming it far more than constantly finding it less difficult to dominate a job or area of expertise.
Males who aren't hormonally on the feminine side are far better at activities and fields of work where each day is pretty much the same type of challenge as the one before and they like feeling themselves grow and evolve into a dominator of whatever it is they do. They are far less likely than females to accept a job offer where the style of job differs to their practised one (vice versa for females) and they get a thrill from having a reputation to be reckoned with.
The way poker careers are angled are far more to the masculine work ethic and this I why men excel at it at the top end more than females.
The only massively famous pro female to a large degree is a proudly Butch lesbian Vanessa Selbst. As for the other successful pro female players, they definitely do not enjoy their career at all and you will find exactly as I say that they end up purely teaching poker or managing poker sites instead of becoming pro due to the monotony if it going against the variety of work their oestrogen programmed them for.
10058765
Legend
Loyaler
Lot comes outof your mouth, not much comes outof your results.
In 1 heartbeat I can name you at least 10 female members here who would crush you in any pokergame when it comes to winnings.
About oestrogen....my friend, don't you realise testosteron is a much bigger problem ?
When it comes to poker in general I'd say women exceed because of being better prepared, having way less ego problems, are way better in timing when to be agressive and when to be patient and are way more rational when it comes to making decissions.
Your comment about Vanessa Selbst, the lesbian part, is utterly nonsense.
I guess Jennifer Harman , Gaelle Baumann to name some would agree with me here.
You want to find it closer at home.....not going to name them, but there's a bunch of female players here who would crush you so much in the game, you wish you would not have started playing poker at all.