Phil Gordon makes a bad call during the MiniFTOPS #1?

[The Dark Side]

I really dont care if Phil Gordon made a bad call or not.


But isnt EffYewCeeKay a member here?

 

[chuG]

Depends if he won the hand or not .

 

[Rldetheflop]

Depends if he won the hand or not .

obviously you are joking but if that is the logic its a horrible call since he went on to lose the hand.

 

[AtiFCOD]

I think he wont teach it in FTP Academy. :flute:

 

[5TR8 FLUSH]

I think it way a bad call, maybe if he had 8 10s or better I would understand but not with 10 4. So what happened did he win the hand or did he lose?

 

[Rldetheflop]

I think it way a bad call, maybe if he had 8 10s or better I would understand but not with 10 4. So what happened did he win the hand or did he lose?

The board missed both and he lost the hand I said that twice already

I didnt post it at first cause I dont think its important we try not to be result oriented.

 

[intiekkeko]

So this is exactly why I need to get to grips with the odds stuff as when I first looked at the hand I thought it looked a horrible call by phil who I feel is a decent player

however after reading some of the replies it seems to me he may well have been justified in the call

glad I just downloaded the free calculator you guys offer

inti

 

[CheeseConey]

I would have folded, but its a close call. I don't think it was a terrible play though.

 

[SlySwagga]

I'm in awe of my poker illiteracy.

And while we're disuccsing this....can someone explain to me how exactly these percentages r determined? Based on what?

I'm in need of some serious therapy after finding out 10-4 isnt horrible call vs A-5.

 

[cjatud2012]

I'm in awe of my poker illiteracy.

And while we're disuccsing this....can someone explain to me how exactly these percentages r determined? Based on what?

I'm in need of some serious therapy after finding out 10-4 isnt horrible call vs A-5.

our equity against A5o:
ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
82,190,592 trials (Exhaustive)
T4s 39.53% (32,280,060 wins, 414,540 ties)
A5o 60.47% (49,495,992 wins, 414,540 ties)

Basically we're getting the pot odds to call this shove based on our win odds. This is a little misleading though, obv it's easy to figure out our equity when the cards are face up, but we never know exactly what villain has before we call. So we have to evaluate our hand vs a range of potential hands:

our equity against top 35%:
ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
2,945,162,880 trials (Exhaustive)
T4s 35.26% (1,015,778,220 wins, 45,612,480 ties)
35% 64.74% (1,883,772,180 wins, 45,612,480 ties)

our equity against top 25%:
ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
2,089,010,880 trials (Exhaustive)
T4s 33.26% (678,780,784 wins, 32,250,112 ties)
25% 66.74% (1,377,979,984 wins, 32,250,112 ties)

our equity against top 10%:
ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
869,850,432 trials (Exhaustive)
T4s 30.48% (261,981,168 wins, 6,286,764 ties)
10% 69.52% (601,582,500 wins, 6,286,764 ties)

So depending on how wide we think villain is shoving this can be a +cEV call.

 

[the lab man]

its a fine call.

with 5 BB and about to go into the blinds the villains range is almost anything here so phils hand has better equity than you think. you cant just plug in teh exact hand into pokerstove. he probably has more like 38-40% equity here I'd guess. And once you do the math- the math can't be wrong, especially on a shortstack and not near a final table.

He calls he wins he has 20bb and a very workable stack. If he loses, he's about to go through the blinds and have a great shoving spot for his 10bb.

but I like phils call there.

^^^^^^^ This makes sense to me with 5 BB left

 

[Poker Orifice]

I'm in awe of my poker illiteracy.

And while we're disuccsing this....can someone explain to me how exactly these percentages r determined? Based on what?

I'm in need of some serious therapy after finding out 10-4 isnt horrible call vs A-5.

It's not whether or not T4 is whatever vs. A5... Phil doesn't know villain has A5 here.... it's considering a 'range' of hands that villain would likely be shoving with here.

 

[Poker Orifice]

LOWell he's got 5 BBs. Either he got low and started shoving, or he's been getting dealt garbage after garbage and the blinds have been eating away at him. Either way, he doesn't have a terribly strong range in this spot, and in the spots he does have a monster hand, it's not that terrible considering his stack doesn't crush phil's.

He got low & started shoving? If he'd been shoving he'd likely be 'out'.. or have more chips in his stack.

 

[John_Of_Spades]

I'm calling misclick.

 

[learn2playmyson]

i think it was a missclick, 1/3 of his stack is too much. the stack sizes aren't that big, so it was nothing like calling and busting the bubbel or something?!

 

[only_bridge]

Wow, u guys are wellcome at my table any time...

 

[dmorris68]

Wow, u guys are wellcome at my table any time...

For real.

And what I don't get is they apparently read the OP, then jump straight to an "answer" without reading all the responses. Of course that's common on most forums, so I don't know why I'm surprised.

I'd like to think though that if most would actually read the thread, they would reconsider their very beginner-oriented responses.

 

[kmixer]

I think everyone here forgot the most important thing He was....... SOOOOOOTED

 

[salim271]

It wasnt the best move, I wouldnt have done it. But as someone said earlier, Phil probably wasnt in this to win it, its only a miniftops, he was paid to host and play it, doesnt mean he have to play well in it.