Opinion on girls playing poker

[N.D.]

My take on it might be a little odd. I like seeing other women play, especially when they're playing at much higher stakes than I can afford, and winning.

The only female players I can't stand are the ones who play the "I'm just a girl" card. Tiffany Michelle comes to mind for that one. I hate when they do that, it's self-defeating, and to an extent, self-loathing, and I find it repulsive. Aside from that it's the ones who seem to use their sex more than their skills. If they're trying to distract guys, it just seems tacky. They can't distract any real pros so they're just taking advantage of the inexperienced, and not with their game. I figure if they're allowed to have cleavage spilling out all over the place, then a guy should be allowed to plop his scrotum onto the table and tell everyone he just flopped the nuts. It's not so very different.

Lastly, since no matter how hard I try, I can't stop hating on Tiffany Michelle - I can't stand any woman whose only goal is to be the last woman standing in a tournament where both genders are welcome. I seriously doubt Jennifer Harman wakes up and wants to be the last woman standing. Hell no, she wants to be the last player standing. Can't remember the last time Phil Ivey wanted to be the last black guy standing. Oh yeah, cuz it never happened. Mike "The Mouth" doesn't wanna be the last Jew standing. John Juanda's not trying to be the last Asian. Alan Cunningham's not trying to be the last average looking white guy. So why should any woman want to be just the last woman standing? If she had done everything else, but with her only goal to be the winner of the main event, I'd learn to like Tiffany. But she failed as a woman in my eyes. I just can't stop hating on her.

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

I figure if they're allowed to have cleavage spilling out all over the place, then a guy should be allowed to plop his scrotum onto the table and tell everyone he just flopped the nuts. It's not so very different.

I would argue that it's very different. Firstly, cleavages are often beautiful, but I've never seen a beautiful scrotum. Secondly there is no law against showing your cleavage in public (in most civilised countries, anyway) whereas showing your scrotum in public is likely to have you arrested.

 

[N.D.]

don't mean to be an ass in anyway, just a curiosity question, hope no offence is taken because ive already posted that i think girls can be great players and my gf kicks my ass heads up. But does having period affect your playing? a lot, a little, none? just wondering...cause it could be useful if i am at casino and see lady go to bathroom with purse.

To answer your question, it can. Some women have very painful periods, and that could distract them from their game. Problem is, I doubt that any would play with that level of pain and discomfort. Even if they did, you'd have to stalk them for a few days prior, keeping an eye out for things like chocolate, ice cream, tampons, Pamprin, and zit cream in their shopping baskets.

You can't just go by how your girlfriend does things either. Remember the purse holds a lot more than money and feminine hygiene products. A lot of women carry some form of personal protection, at the very least pepper spray. We're more likely to do so when heading into a situation that we know could get threatening so that's in there. Then if there's a possibility of hooking up with a hot guy, figure on condoms and spare undies + toothbrush. Then there's the usual stash of breath mints or gum. I usually have some Hershey's kisses or minis in mine. Oh yeah, and if she wears a lot of makeup count on a compact + lipstick + gloss and god knows what else.

 

[Tammy]

My take on it might be a little odd. I like seeing other women play, especially when they're playing at much higher stakes than I can afford, and winning.

The only female players I can't stand are the ones who play the "I'm just a girl" card. Tiffany Michelle comes to mind for that one. I hate when they do that, it's self-defeating, and to an extent, self-loathing, and I find it repulsive. Aside from that it's the ones who seem to use their sex more than their skills. If they're trying to distract guys, it just seems tacky. They can't distract any real pros so they're just taking advantage of the inexperienced, and not with their game. I figure if they're allowed to have cleavage spilling out all over the place, then a guy should be allowed to plop his scrotum onto the table and tell everyone he just flopped the nuts. It's not so very different.

Lastly, since no matter how hard I try, I can't stop hating on Tiffany Michelle - I can't stand any woman whose only goal is to be the last woman standing in a tournament where both genders are welcome. I seriously doubt Jennifer Harman wakes up and wants to be the last woman standing. Hell no, she wants to be the last player standing. Can't remember the last time Phil Ivey wanted to be the last black guy standing. Oh yeah, cuz it never happened. Mike "The Mouth" doesn't wanna be the last Jew standing. John Juanda's not trying to be the last Asian. Alan Cunningham's not trying to be the last average looking white guy. So why should any woman want to be just the last woman standing? If she had done everything else, but with her only goal to be the winner of the main event, I'd learn to like Tiffany. But she failed as a woman in my eyes. I just can't stop hating on her.

This post owns the thread, imo (except the part about the scrotum on the table...lol).

To ellaborate on Tokeard's question, as N.D. said, it depends on the woman. Some women are actually a lot sharper minded during that time, some of us are just meaner.

As far as purses go, I carry a very small one with just the essentials (lipstick being one, ldo, which of course has to be touched up when I go to the restroom).

 

[Roller]

Females Rock at poker.
This Game has nothing to do with gender.
Trust me.

I know plenty of Ladies that devastate the men at the tables cause they are underestimated buy the men.

They play Solid poker no questions asked.

Love all you Ladies out there.

Roller:

 

[Tokeard311]

To answer your question, it can. Some women have very painful periods, and that could distract them from their game. Problem is, I doubt that any would play with that level of pain and discomfort. Even if they did, you'd have to stalk them for a few days prior, keeping an eye out for things like chocolate, ice cream, tampons, Pamprin, and zit cream in their shopping baskets.

You can't just go by how your girlfriend does things either. Remember the purse holds a lot more than money and feminine hygiene products. A lot of women carry some form of personal protection, at the very least pepper spray. We're more likely to do so when heading into a situation that we know could get threatening so that's in there. Then if there's a possibility of hooking up with a hot guy, figure on condoms and spare undies + toothbrush. Then there's the usual stash of breath mints or gum. I usually have some Hershey's kisses or minis in mine. Oh yeah, and if she wears a lot of makeup count on a compact + lipstick + gloss and god knows what else.

LMFAO! ty for great post!

 

[Poker Orifice]

You honestly figure her goal was anything but placing as high as she could... or winning it even???

I personally spoke with Tiffany for quite awhile back in Nov.'08 (and on same day I hung out with Dennis Phillips also.. actually played in a 9-plyr. sng with both of them). She was peeved the way television chose to portray her in the MainEvent but guess what.... it's entertainment!!
The hand that is portrayed on television where it appears she gives a guy like 15secs. or so to act on his hand (even though she's not even in the hand) was a complete falsehood. It was more like 15+mins.!! Why did she want to call 'clock' on him? Because the blinds were going up and her intentions were set on trying to win!!

Do you think the fact that she was the last female standing has done anything for her as far as endorsement money goes?? Guess what... it does!!

When I watched the wsop MainEvent televised of course I thought she was a total a-hole... but I was only going by what I was seeing on tv (an edited version meant to be entertaining.. for poker players and non-players alike). Haven't you ever read a newspaper article or seen a bit on tv news that you knew alot about but when you read (viewed) the story it was so twisted from the truth you'd hardly recognize it as being the same story?? If you haven't.... trust me it happens. A friend of mine's son died last year and it was on the tv news a few times per day for about a week. Do you think they cared about his son? No.. they cared about it being NEWS. The story was so far from the truth that it was almost surprising it could even be aired on tv. It is media.. entertainment... .it is what it is.

I wouldn't say Tiffany is my favourite player or anything but I must say she was the most amiable poker pro to both myself & my girlfriend of every poker pro we met and hung out with that weekend. You'd probably be surprised to hear who was the least friendly of them all. She came across as a fairly intelligent, down-to-earth individual. I can't say much for her game (surprising about how some players make it in some of the big tourneys... but maybe not all that surprising.. just watch the final few tables of the Sun.$750Kguar. on Fulltilt each weekend and FOR SURE you'll see a couple of huge donks who've gone real deep in it and walk away with a huge cash).

Defending Tiffany here once again. To those bent on dissing her... can you give any evidence aside from what you've seen in the media?? Hmm.. that's what I thought.

 

[yourguynow]

I like playin with women. Being the sexist male that I am, no matter who is winning, the girl will have the best pair at the table! (even if they are distracting). That said, women get all my money anyway so whether then win it at the table or I spend it on em later.... it is still gone gone gone.
Remember, the weakness of the stronger sex is the weaker sex. Therefore, the weaker sex is the stronge sex. Welcome at my table anytime ladies!

 

[N.D.]

Lemme see if I have this straight. Poker Orifice and his or her girlfriend met a number of pros over the course of a single weekend. He or she now figures that since during that brief period of time Tiffany Michelle was the nicest, sweetest, most hunny-bunniest of girls at the time, it's his or her duty to defend her tooth and nail on message boards? Ain't that just so gosh darned gallant? And they say chivalry is dead. Poppycock! We have our very own Sir Gallahad right here.

It's simple. She's playing the Omarosa card. The "I'm not really a mega-bitch, it's all editing, I swear" card. It works for Omarosa because she works at it and has more technical skill when she plays it. Nevertheless everybody knows she's a cold, hard, bitch and you either love her, hate her, or love to hate her.

The difference is that Tiffany can't handle it. She's an attention craving fame whore, and not very good at the latter. She's famous to me because I'm into poker, but in the big picture she's barely a blip on the radar. She can behave badly for the camera, but she wants everyone to love her at the same time. It doesn't work like that, only a scant few love the villain. Most hate or love to hate the villain. Even when the villain's the villainess. The only exception I can think of is the fictitious character of "Catwoman".

It's simple. It has been simple from the taping of the first reality show. You don't wanna be portrayed as a drunk? Then don't spend any time getting drunk. Don't wanna be portrayed as a naive farm girl? Then get your ass back to the farm. Don't wanna be portrayed as the cold, hard, bitch from hell? Then act as sweet as candy or get your ass back to hell. Easy-freakin'-peasy.

Guess what, you can tell me Mr. Niceguy Daniel Negreanu himself behaved like a total douche. I will believe you. I'll also want to know why. Was it something you said? Something you did? Something that happened that has absolutely nothing at all to do with you? Something else entirely? Honey, if you don't have anything nice to say, come sit by me.

Oh and a final thing. The slang term "diss" comes from the real word "disrespect". When it comes to my respect, you have to earn it. Either through accomplishments, behavior, or how you treat me personally. If her stats were worthy of respect she'd get it in abundance. But they're not. If her play were worthy, she'd get it. If she taught me one thing about the game, just from watching her, I'd be a fan for a week. Hasn't happened. It probably never will. And what does it matter if I don't respect her anyway? Insomuch as she's barely a blip on the radar of the collective consciousness I'm not even a blip on her radar.

Really, you need to choose your wars better. You spent a weekend in her general vicinity. That doesn't make her your friend. It also doesn't make your assessment of her any better than mine or other people's on the forum. It's not nearly enough time.

 

[Zorba]

I would argue that it's very different. Firstly, cleavages are often beautiful, but I've never seen a beautiful scrotum. Secondly there is no law against showing your cleavage in public (in most civilised countries, anyway) whereas showing your scrotum in public is likely to have you arrested.

Sending Pics via PM now Mate.

To ellaborate on Tokeard's question, as N.D. said, it depends on the woman. Some women are actually a lot sharper minded during that time, because we all are just meaner.

FYP

 

[BuggyX]

well i am a female player but most of the time at online poker ppl think i am male in the end i dont care there are male and female donks and there are a lots of good players no matter which sex they are

 

[trucker103]

I would argue that it's very different. Firstly, cleavages are often beautiful, but I've never seen a beautiful scrotum. Secondly there is no law against showing your cleavage in public (in most civilised countries, anyway) whereas showing your scrotum in public is likely to have you arrested.

Its always gonna be a good topic to reply too and i could come out with something off the wall but restraint on sunday lol. but really man /woman does it matter if u play ur cards right u win . u think those avatars tell the whole truth or screen names equal rights for all .

 

[tgarner]

I think women playing poker is great, especially on line, their avatars are GREAT!
LOL

 

[ABorges]

Jennifer Tilly. I rest my case.

 

[N.D.]

I would argue that it's very different. Firstly, cleavages are often beautiful, but I've never seen a beautiful scrotum. Secondly there is no law against showing your cleavage in public (in most civilised countries, anyway) whereas showing your scrotum in public is likely to have you arrested.

User CP took me to the next page in the thread, sorry. Anyway, I'm not saying I hate cleavage. For goodness sake I have cleavage. I'm saying there's a time and a place for everything and I feel like the poker table's not the place. I used the scrotum bit as an absurd hypothetical. I fear someone's planning to meatspin you. Be careful clicking those links.

Here's the thing, folks always complain when someone behaves iin an unprofessional manner. When Hellmuth throws a hissy fit, when this person cusses that person out, and so on and so forth. But how you dress is also related to how professional you are. Anytime you show so much that you're leaving very little to the imagination, you'll get warned to dress more appropriately for the workplace. A bit of cleavage can be tasteful, but when you've got almost got the girls out on full display, you're not a stripper, and you're not at home doing it for your man, then it's tough to respect you.

You say cleavage is frequently beautiful. Fair enough. Problem is, men turn into dirty little boys at the sight of it. Not all men, not every time, but enough to where it makes me question a woman who'd rather use her cleavage as a tool than her talent or skills. The cleavage in those instances frequently is of the "Her cups runneth over" variety and paired with enough makeup to work the redlight district of "Clown Alley" at Ringling Bros. You know the kind. The kind where if you're lucky enough to take her back to your place, you're even luckier than you realized. Luckier because that pretty face you loved so much last night is yours to keep. It's on the pillowcase like the shroud of Turin.

Mind you, when someone's trying that hard to be sexy, they usually aren't. It's like trying to be cool. Most people are way cooler when they aren't trying. When someone's trying that hard to distract, well it usually works, but still, it's a questionable tactic.

 

[StormRaven]

I will probably respond to several posts. There are several that really need addressing, if you are annoyed by this, tough. If you feel threatened by this, good.

First of all, I am a woman, I am not a girl. For those of you who refer to women as "girls" you are either consciously or subconsciously disrespecting all adult females. How do you adult men like being referred to as a "boy"? Especially when used in a consciously demeaning manner? When I have witnessed this, the response is usually the same: to show your obvious dislike at the "boy" reference the males will usually stand up a little straighter, square off their shoulders a bit and puff out their chests. The majority of the time the first verbal response is "who are you calling a boy?". So let's cut out the "girl" reference.

There are many great responses to this post, most of which refer to not caring if their opponent is male or female or recoginizing the "technical" aspects of their own play in regards to a female vs a male opponent. By this latter I am referencing those that recognize they don't know how to read females, or often respect raise/reraises by a female player vs male player because they believe females are more solid than their typical male counter-parts.

What do people think of girls playing poker?

Some people say "girls can't play poker" blah blah blah

I think female sharks are one of scariest poker players on live, more than guys.

While men are more aggressive than women in poker in general, what comes to your mind when "girls" play?

If you are trying to get a female perspective on their personal experiences playing poker as a female, or, a males' perspective if they've encountered differing methodologies while playing poker with females vs other males, then perhaps a revision in the way you've asked your question would be in order.

While I am recognizing your intent and attempt of a positive outlook to the subject matter, just like irl, tone can make a huge difference in how a statement is interpreted.

I don't consider myself a shark, but I can play poker, and don't get the ladies of CC started

Too late, it's on! LOL!

I like it when a girl is at my table. It makes me try much harder, because i am scared to death to lose to a girl.

A bit insecure are we? Does the thought of a female outplaying you totally emasculate you?

You're attitude is terrible. It's sexest, discriminating and demeaning. I guess it's okay if a female plays poker as long as she doesn't have the nerve to play well against you? You man, me woman, ugg. Where's the bat and cave? If you had the nerve to say that to me face to face I would embarass you to no end, belittle you to the point of you wanting to curl up in the fetus position sucking your thumb and crying for mommy. Only I would stand over you and yell "Who's your momma now b*tch!?!". Then I'd roll up my sleeves and give you a good 'ole fashioned ass whooping. You make me sick.

besides "girls who play poker are hot")

You bet your sweet ass we are!

girls have cooties

Yes we all do, quick, give us all your money now or we'll chase you around and give you the cooties to! LOL!

 

[Poker Orifice]

Lemme see if I have this straight. Poker Orifice and his or her girlfriend met a number of pros over the course of a single weekend. He or she now figures that since during that brief period of time Tiffany Michelle was the nicest, sweetest, most hunny-bunniest of girls at the time, it's his or her duty to defend her tooth and nail on message boards? Ain't that just so gosh darned gallant? And they say chivalry is dead. Poppycock! We have our very own Sir Gallahad right here.

It's ter. You spent a weekend in her general vicinity. That doesn't make her your friend. It also doesn't make your assessment of her any better than mine or other people's on the forum. It's not nearly enough time.

Umm... excuse me??? Where do you pull this from? Are you grasping in the air here or what?
ND... you have no clue what or what wasn't my assosciation here with these pros... but you're coming off sounding as if you do. Assume ing makes an 'ass' out 'u' & 'me'.

Actually I didn't spend a weekend in her & other's 'general vicinity'. We spent a 3-day weekend with them as my partner was personally invited by Gavin Smith. I based my statements on the 'fact' of hanging out with them for a few days (not watching them play or in their general vicinity 'sir'). And it wasn't all 'hunny bunny' as you refer to,... discussion was wide & varied. We also all sat down to a game - a 9-plyr. sng on one of the afternoons, sat with them in VIP to watch the final table play (Daniel was still in it), ate meals, stayed in adjoining penthouse suites and hung out over the entire weekend. No,.. I wouldn't consider her as a personal friend (although I do have her player name on Fulltilt, although she's sponsored by UB lol) but I did feel it necessary to defend her honour a bit on account of having been given such bad press on the tv 'edited version' of the WSOP MainEvent. Oh yah.. Dennis Phillips..he's nice guy.

Please try to make a bit more informed comments prior to dissing something I write on here (or don't).

 

[highway26776]

I was playing with a girl the other day that had a mans avatar. She said that she gets more respect as a man. I play a woman just like I would play a man. The only difference when it comes to poker players is how they know about the game.

I do the opposite I use a womans avatar and players tend to get the wrong idea about you hellps a lot in the latter stages of a tournament

 

[highway26776]

This post owns the thread, imo (except the part about the scrotum on the table...lol).

To ellaborate on Tokeard's question, as N.D. said, it depends on the woman. Some women are actually a lot sharper minded during that time, some of us are just meaner.

As far as purses go, I carry a very small one with just the essentials (lipstick being one, ldo, which of course has to be touched up when I go to the restroom).

the scrotum part is the best part of the thread ( I even envisaged doing it one day)

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

I will probably respond to several posts. There are several that really need addressing, if you are annoyed by this, tough. If you feel threatened by this, good.

Interesting post, girlie. Nice to see another post by a girl that is way too long, but that's girls for you I suppose!

 

[N.D.]

(not watching them play or in their general vicinity 'sir'

Ah, well it should be really obvious I'm a ma'am and not a sir. No need to assume either as I made it pretty clear. But that's groovy. At least you replied. Fair enough, I was being assumptive. Made said assumptions based on the information you saw fit to volunteer. Grasping at straws? Maybe, but this is fun. So I'll keep going.

Let's see, until the main event her best showing was winning about two and a half times her buy-in at a $500 NLHE tournament, and not cashing in the ladies event. From $500 up to the $1,000 for the ladies event(where she was alleged to make at play dirty at least once) isn't such a huge leap. But from $1,000 and finishing below Amanda Leatherman(who might just be an evil genius who's in fact pretending to be dumb enough to be one of Hugh Heffner's girlfriends on "The Girls Next Door". Hey it could happen.), to $10k is a pretty big leap.

I won't speculate as to what happened on that fateful night when she got staked. Without being a fly on the wall I can't know what was or wasn't slipped into Tony G.'s drink, who did or didn't crawl around under the table, or if she agreed to off his worst enemy and make it look like an accident. The mind does boggle though, and it does want desperately to speculate, but I'll make it behave itsself.

So now she's in. Got her seat. Good on her. Through a series of events, no doubt a combination of solid to good play + some miraculous suckouts, she was placing very well. Outlasted a bunch of top name pros, plus some top no-name pros, and various assorted other players of one stripe or another. That's all fine and dandy. Even calling the clock where she wasn't in the hand wasn't the most egregious of acts. Anyone might have been tempted.

So far she's still not on my $hit list.

NOW! Running around like a headless chicken and celebrating at least one other woman busting out? That's some seriously bad behavior. Nevermind if it's sporting, it's just plain childish. Don't they card you before letting you take a seat? Telling people their chips are in love with her because she's a cute girl? Okay that's just weird. Really weird. Bordering on bizarre it's so weird. It makes Phil Hellmuth's strangest Hellmuthian musings come across as mundane. This is the point where she has managed to outlast all but one woman and a whole helluva lot of men. And still, she's on my $hitlist. But why?

If you want to win, really want to win - PAY ATTENTION! Running around dancing a jig like you're at a hootenanny isn't paying attention. Certainly not to your own table. Dancing said jig because you're downright giddy at the prospect of being the last woman standing is bound to make women at home dislike you. However much they edited footage. However many "nice hand"s, "good play"s, and "way to go"s, they edited out doesn't delete that she did actually go out of her way to do what was shown.

You can defend her as much as you want. It's still laughable. It's laughable the same way Daniel N. went out of his way to defend Erick L. against Phil G. in his blog is laughable. It might actually be more laughable. Tiffany already defended herself. If I feel like her written defense comes across as someone who knows each excuse isn't holding up and changes her story after each excuse, comes across as BS then that's the vibe I'm getting off of her. If I feel like her taped interview comes across as insincere, then that's the vibe I'm getting off of her.

Basically, you go out of your way to defend someone who's likely a better player than myself, or at least plays at higher stakes. Someone who already defended herself, but I'm not buying what she's selling. Basically, you're practicing an exercise in futility. In all likelihood we both are. She really does come across as completely phony and a poor competitor. If that's all part of her plan to take over the world, so be it, I'm falling for that angle.

Yeah I followed the ladies event too, it's of interest to me the same way watching grown men grapple over various assorted balls seems to be of interest to many men.

 

[RA2000]

I do not care if i play against a girl or a boy!
I watch them play and decide if they play good or bad...
But good girls can use their image against bad male poker players. So it could be easier for them!

 

[BDDP]

If i sit at a table with women on it, I immediately tell myself to stay in my game. and i tell myself constantly that she is here to lose her money like everyone else. If not, i definately play softer on them. I won't raise as aggressively, and will fold out easier. I don't want them to feel like i'm singleing them out. It's an unfortunate part of my upbringing. As long as I remind myself that they came to give me their money I can get past that. All that is not to say that women can't hold their own i've played with some awesome female players. But i've also played with some ATMs. MOST women by nature are far more passive than men. The ones that are not are dangerous beasts.

 

[xyxyxy1986]

Its not important if you are girl or boy, or you are good player or not

 

[Nickmond]

It's the same game for everyone...I just try to ignore the person making the plays and focus on the plays themselves. I've been taken to school by several women at the tables, and it's just as frustrating at getting beat by a good male player.