****Juggernaut June Poker Chat Thread******

[bw07507]

LOL, same reg as hand above decides to spaz on me 10 minutes after my call with 99

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HAND #1
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poker stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG: $67.35 (67.4 bb)
MP: $123.10 (123.1 bb)
CO: $112.65 (112.7 bb)
Hero (BTN): $166.70 (166.7 bb)
SB: $103.50 (103.5 bb)
BB: $104.40 (104.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with Q

Q

3 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB folds, BB raises to $9, Hero raises to $25, BB raises to $104.40 and is all-in, Hero calls $79.40

Flop: ($209.30) 5

2

A

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($209.30) 6

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($209.30) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $209.30 pot ($3 rake)
BB showed J

K

(a pair of Jacks) and lost (-$104.40 net)
Hero showed Q

Q

(a pair of Queens) and won $206.30 ($101.90 net)

 

[switch0723]

your back in the groove then

 

[vanquish]

when will regs learn that taking stupid ass lines and bluffing me is -EV. This is Ax that picked up a gutter and overs on the turn and decides to bluff river whiffing like always.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BB: $55.75 (55.8 bb)
MP: $101.50 (101.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $108.70 (108.7 bb)
BTN: $100 (100 bb)
SB: $113.65 (113.7 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with 9

9

MP folds, Hero raises to $3, BTN folds, SB raises to $9, BB folds, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($19) 3

5

Q

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($19) 4

(2 players)
SB bets $16, Hero calls $16

River: ($51) 4

(2 players)
SB bets $40, Hero calls $40

Results: $131 pot ($2 rake)
SB showed T

A

(a pair of Fours) and lost (-$65 net)
Hero showed 9

9

(two pairs, Nines and Fours) and won $129 ($64 net)

lol whenever i do this they always have AA

 

[eNTy]

I got blooofed :\

UTG: $43.05 (172.2 bb)
UTG+1: $37.05 (148.2 bb)
Hero (MP1): $25.35 (101.4 bb)
MP2: $20.75 (83 bb)
MP3: $5 (20 bb)
CO: $42.35 (169.4 bb)
BTN: $30.80 (123.2 bb)
SB: $18.80 (75.2 bb)
BB: $13.90 (55.6 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP1 with K:heart: A:club:
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, BTN calls $1, SB folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.10) A:diamond: K:diamond: 6:heart: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.65, BTN calls $1.65, BB folds

Turn: ($6.40) 2:diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $4.30, BTN raises to $10.50, Hero folds

Results:[spoil] $15.00 pot ($0.70 rake)
BTN showed A:spade: Q:heart: (a pair of Aces) and won $14.30 ($7.35 net)
[/spoil]

dno what went wrong with my flop bet sizing ..

 

[vanquish]

I got blooofed :\

UTG: $43.05 (172.2 bb)
UTG+1: $37.05 (148.2 bb)
Hero (MP1): $25.35 (101.4 bb)
MP2: $20.75 (83 bb)
MP3: $5 (20 bb)
CO: $42.35 (169.4 bb)
BTN: $30.80 (123.2 bb)
SB: $18.80 (75.2 bb)
BB: $13.90 (55.6 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP1 with K♥ A♣
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, BTN calls $1, SB folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.10) A♦ K♦ 6♥ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.65, BTN calls $1.65, BB folds

Turn: ($6.40) 2♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $4.30, BTN raises to $10.50, Hero folds

Results:[spoil] $15.00 pot ($0.70 rake)
BTN showed A♠ Q♥ (a pair of Aces) and won $14.30 ($7.35 net)
[/spoil]

dno what went wrong with my flop bet sizing ..

why are you betting the turn if ur gonna fold to a raise

 

[eNTy]

why are you betting the turn if ur gonna fold to a raise

Good question
No idea, but its pretty bad yes

 

[dsvw56]

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[feitr]

I got blooofed :\

UTG: $43.05 (172.2 bb)
UTG+1: $37.05 (148.2 bb)
Hero (MP1): $25.35 (101.4 bb)
MP2: $20.75 (83 bb)
MP3: $5 (20 bb)
CO: $42.35 (169.4 bb)
BTN: $30.80 (123.2 bb)
SB: $18.80 (75.2 bb)
BB: $13.90 (55.6 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP1 with K♥ A♣
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, BTN calls $1, SB folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.10) A♦ K♦ 6♥ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.65, BTN calls $1.65, BB folds

Turn: ($6.40) 2♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $4.30, BTN raises to $10.50, Hero folds

Results:[spoil] $15.00 pot ($0.70 rake)
BTN showed A♠ Q♥ (a pair of Aces) and won $14.30 ($7.35 net)
[/spoil]

dno what went wrong with my flop bet sizing ..

It's good you decided to move back down to nl25. IMO enty you really need to stay at nl25 until you are able to crush the game over a pretty large period. If you do this i have no doubt you'll be able to move quickly through nl50 and 100, but if you try to move to nl50 too quick w/o an appropriate foundation (haven't been around much so haven't read what has happened lately but from what little i've read i think you had a sick nl25 heater then decided to move to nl50?) it won't end good IMO. And i'm not sure a good winrate at nl25 is (given the sick rake) but i've got to imagine that the players are so bad if you weren't massive multitabling it should be like 6BB/100+. Maybe this winrate is off, but if you are only beating nl25 for like 3BB/100 there are a large number of areas of your game that could use improvement (i could be totally off here tho as i don't know what the nl25 quality is like now, nor the rake - but one should be able to beat nl50 w/ its slightly less rake and for >5BB/100 if they are competent IMO).

I stayed at nl25/nl20 for quite a long time - nothing wrong with it at all as it is the perfect level to "learn" poker. Should be in no hurry to move up or make money - it is all about laying that solid foundation and being able to bash up on poor players.

 

[zachvac]

why are you betting the turn if ur gonna fold to a raise

I don't know, you should ask Enty

 

[cAPSLOCK]

You're kidding right? Maybe they'll call with worse but not raise with worse?

I was wondering the same thing.

The fold wasn't really an unreasonable play under the circumstances. They had odds for the flushdraw, and played them. Albeit as a bluff/my ace is good. That's the problem I see.

Enty totally knew what he did wrong.

Wild-ass aggression without reason is suicide.

 

[vanquish]

You're kidding right? Maybe they'll call with worse but not raise with worse?

is your name enty?

 

[eNTy]

why the hostility itt ?

are you guys eminem ?
http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/395471/2009-mtv-movie-awards-the-opener.jhtml#id=1611659

 

[vanquish]

sometimes i ask people these things because i want to see how they think thru the hand.

although i guess the "lol level?" response is inevitable nowadays

 

[feitr]

Bet/folding is definitely better than check/folding which is better than check/calling (unless villain can vbet really light), since villain will probably check back worse Ax hands but will call a turn bet (ie. we fare much worse vs turn betting range than turn calling range) but i wouldn't fold to the turn raise unless villain was really loose passive or super nitty or something. Pretty sick play by villain if he was genuinely turning TP2ndK into a bluff knowing his hand was no good and he could get you to fold better (which makes me think it wasn't his intention - though he did show).

 

[zachvac]

Sorry yeah I see what you were doing now. I just saw Enty respond with "yeah I know it was terrible" and I'm like wtf that's exactly how I play it with maybe different bet sizing on the turn. But yeah Enty instead of just responding like "yeah I know it's bad" or stuff like that which is essentially a cop-out of actually thinking, try to think through why you're doing things.

 

[eNTy]

I see what you are saying, I just don't always think things through and seem to bet too much for betting sake, if that makes sense.

 

[vanquish]

I see what you are saying, I just don't always think things through and seem to bet too much for betting sake, if that makes sense.

make sure u plug this before u move back up to 50nl

 

[feitr]

I see what you are saying, I just don't always think things through and seem to bet too much for betting sake, if that makes sense.

It's pretty simple really. You value bet coz you think you can get called by worse. You c/c when you think that villain will bluff if checked to and/or will have the tendency to value cut himself. For ex. on that board, some villains might bet turn and shove river with AQ coz he figures that you would never check 2 pair/set or a flush and so your hand looks like AJ/AT just trying to see a showdown (which is probably a true assumption). If you were to bet, however, villain might fold river seeing as he might figure you are never bluffing this board (and it is hard for you to have a hand is bad enough to have to bluff) and never value betting a worse Ax.

What you ABSOLUTELY MUST NOT DO is something like c/c because you are scared of having to bet/fold IF you get c/red, even though bet/folding is correct in a spot where villain would never turn his hand into a bluff/never have air and would never value bet worse or whatever because we have much better equity vs his calling range than his betting range (and his raising range after we bet is completely different to his calling range after we bet - ie. a river raising range tends to bee the nuts or a hand/air turning itself into a bluff). c/cing to "see showdown" is a horrible mentality to take. Just random thoughts to consider - not directly related to anything posted.

 

[switch0723]

wtf so far this month ive had 44<34 on a 433x board and qq<a,q on a a,q,x,x board. Stars keeps setting me up in cool spots just to stick the knife in

 

[vanquish]

wtf so far this month ive had 44<34 on a 433x board and qq<a,q on a a,q,x,x board. Stars keeps setting me up in cool spots just to stick the knife in

still at 100nl or at 50nl now?


i'm playing some hilarious NLHE with big antes tournament it's pretty fun

 

[Irexes]

Brag:



Beat:

er can't think of anything.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

lol at all non-uk people

 

[vanquish]

yea we got scammed pretty bad.

o well at least our women don't look like burn victims and we have delicious food and diverse climates

 

[zachvac]

wtf so far this month ive had 44<34 on a 433x board

How? Or are you implying the 3 hit river?

 

[Irexes]

This is no fun without an indignant 'merican.