Donks can't loose, why is this?

[Roller]

smd173
#1) Oooohhhh 10-9 os, I was born on 10/9...ALL IN!
#2) Oooohhhh I's gotz two cardz...ALL IN!
#3) Where'd that fold button go? Oh well, I guess I HAVE to go ALL IN! OMG ALL IN

LMAO

Wow
You Nailed that one.

Thats so Flippen Funny (Tears in my eyes ..... No Shit ...)

It appears we play the same tables with the same players.
lol
You have to find the humor in this game or you would melt in the insanity and stupidity of the moment.

Again Very Funny
Thanks for the tears of Laughter

 

[diamond_06_06]

Donks can lose... And they often do

 

[FlowJoe]

What you fail to realize is that it was his FAVORITE HAND!!
Better luck,
Peace,
FLOW

 

[illphillllllll]

donks don't always win, they just win enough to piss you off. they lose most of the time and that is where we make our profit. calling with 99 is questionable in a three way pot.

 

[Paw_kit Aces]

Don’t win because everybody gets lucky sometime. Why did he re-raise you with junk? Who knows what he was thinking, maybe he though you were on a re-steal. You have to ask your self; why did you call an all in bet with a pair of 9s? Seems to me you made a very loose call. Think about it there were 4 over cards to your nines you were very venerable at best you should have pushed or folded imo. You made an error and paid. It totally sucks to loose to that crap, but it happens all the time. The good news is you will win lots of money from players like this. So don’t worry about start up the next game.

I posted this link on the video side of the forum, don’t know if you saw it or not. I think its sums up you post nicely. Enjoy:

https://www.cardschat.com/f53/two-poker-bots-sauna-caution-may-145273/

 

[Stick66]

online poker sites use programs that are randomized every hand every card, not like your card games that are played in a real environment. so donks have better odds in the virtual poker site then in a real world.

This made me LOL.

 

[yourguynow]

Donks do loose

Just remember, donks do lose (and often) just not this time. We have all been there. With on line, and if it's a freeroll, the guy may have been late for a date, time to go to dinner or just had to go help his kids with homework, or maybe his girlfriend came in and took her clothes off. All distractions that may make him go all in instead of just sitting out (which would have been a better choice for the other players)

 

[jerry77]

This made me LOL.

LIsten Mr. Sticker, You misunderstood what I'm saying. In a real live game with a real dealer cards do not shuffle in a perfect deck, meaning cards stick together in a shuffle on a consistent manner due to the person dealing and the amount of oil and sweat on the hands of the dealer. In a virtual world of poker you do not have this, the cards are dealt in a random computerized world were the odds of getting certain cards are all that the computer goes by.

 

[vanquish]

LIsten Mr. Sticker, You misunderstood what I'm saying. In a real live game with a real dealer cards do not shuffle in a perfect deck, meaning cards stick together in a shuffle on a consistent manner due to the person dealing and the amount of oil and sweat on the hands of the dealer. In a virtual world of poker you do not have this, the cards are dealt in a random computerized world were the odds of getting certain cards are all that the computer goes by.

and you think this somehow affects how donks perform at poker?

 

[Dwilius]

If the bad players didn't get lucky at least once in a while, they wouldn't keep playing - and it would be a lot harder for the good players to make any money.

I think of posting this point whenever I read badbeat complaints. If it wasn't for suckouts donators would lose hope or interest. If you are any good, be thankful its in the nature of poker.

 

[Steelehustlen]

Well Think Of This When Your Short Stacked You Push In Hopes Of Hitting Big! Cards Fall In Funny Ways It Is Luck More Then Just Skill. Skill Comes When You Are Trying To Make A Final Table OR Heads Up!!!Just Cause You Have A Pokett Pair Dosn't Make You Golden It Just Means Your A Head PreFlop!!!! Any Thing Can Happen When Your All In You Are Now No Longer In Control!! Yeah IT Could Be A Donk Move But Hey He's Short Stack looking to Get Up Or Just Move On To The Next Game!!!!!

 

[aLoser4evR]

Pocket 9's can lose just as easy as pocket aces, accept it. He may have figured he'd be out soon and that was the first cards he'd had connected greater than 2/3 3/4 and said what the f@#! may as well try now. Unfortunately for you he got lucky. Sorry but thats poker. My aces have lost to pocket 2's should I cry because my raise was called? Don't think so, they got lucky, that's poker.

 

[Aaronftw]

smd173
#1) Oooohhhh 10-9 os, I was born on 10/9...ALL IN!
#2) Oooohhhh I's gotz two cardz...ALL IN!
#3) Where'd that fold button go? Oh well, I guess I HAVE to go ALL IN! OMG ALL IN

Lol funny, thats basically what happened here no thought process at all.

Heads up 99's where good, against another player id fold here. Even saying so you where ahead.

 

[TPC]

We are playing poker a from of gambling. GAMBLING to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance: to gamble on a flip of the cards. If I remember correctly only one hand can take the risk out of betting thats a Royal Flush.This hand cant be beat. So inless you have a royal flush you dont have the best hand your still gambling. This may not make since but it is a fact. I understand the fustration that comes with being sucked out or crawfished on the river it happens on TV all the time so if it happens on TV it has to be true. My attemt to be funny here is very week just like most hole cards in poker. So take away from this the fact that your hands now matter how strong a start they have they can be taken down by weaker hands or stronger ones... Its gambling... So dont get hung up on one hand cause it was never a sure thing.

Poker is a game of skill, it's not gambling. AIPF = coin flip, which does take the skill out of poker, sort of. And in a tournament, you are going to go all in at some point, probably more than once. However, don't call poker gambling, that's just a slap in the face

 

[Paw_kit Aces]

Poker is a game of skill, it's not Gambling. AIPF = coin flip, which does take the skill out of poker, sort of. And in a tournament, you are going to go all in at some point, probably more than once. However, don't call poker gambling, that's just a slap in the face

I do not understand why people insist that poker is not gambling. It makes absolutely no sense to deny it. A wager is placed on an uncertain outcome, hence by definition it is gambling, PERIOD. It can not be disputed logically. The argument that poker requires certain skills or that you need to be skillful to win in the long term some how makes it not gambling make no sense.

Most people would agree that black jack is a form of gambling but skill and knowledge can and will aid the player, but most of the time luck prevails and since players are playing against the “house,” the house wants to increase its edge to ensure that they make money. They do this by instituting rules that greatly reduce the player’s edge. They combine 6-8 or more decks, they add a cut card that is randomly placed somewhere in the combined deck to foil card counters, they also place a max bet rule so that you can not double your bet after loosing a hand (you can, but you will soon hit that max bet mark and not be able to make up for you losses), sometimes they remove all the 10s and call it Spanish 21 (I call it fools blackjack). A good poker player is similar to the casino; he/she has an edge if they are playing their “A” game they know they will win in the long run despite the element of luck and despite loosing down turns. Wining or not poker players are gamblers. Poker is gambling. Accept it; it’s not a crime (except on the internet in the USAJ)

 

[BDDP]

I am currently writing a book about how to beat a pro playing like a donk. Now before the site goes nuts...it's a book about all the things donks do that makes it appear as if they've sold their souls to the devil, and contains some really cool things i've heard both online and in real games. One of my fav's is "if i get a Jack, i'm going to go all in because JJ has come on the flop most hands tonight". So i've really enjoyed this thread. I am fascinated with donk tales!!! I my have to borrow the part of the post that says:
Originally Posted by jerry77
online poker sites use programs that are randomized every hand every card, not like your card games that are played in a real environment. so donks have better odds in the virtual poker site then in a real world.

as well as the follow on discussion about cards sticking together and hand oils and such!!!

The only way that cards sticking together, or hand oils and such would change the randomness (if that's a word) of the cards is if you could predict which cards were sticking and where in the deck they were.

 

[popo12]

Yeah me too, I'm not sure I'd call an all in on pocket nines..They are nice when you can see another nine after the flop...but there are still five cards that could pair up to beat it...meaning at least 15 cards in the deck that could make someone's 10/J/Q/K/A better than yours... So perhaps I would've folded n waited for the made hand..

 

[TheUndertaker]

As other members said that is poker, bad beats will happen and more often that none the donk players will win because I believe they're just damn lucky for some reason I can't understand.The pain and frustration with go away just don't let it affect your game in the future.

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

Donks can't loose, why is this?

Maybe they weren't actually a donk?

 

[Stu_Ungar]

I would like to add to the mix that maybe donks play better poker than people who are just starting to learn how to play.

I will elaborate a little. When you first begin to learn how to play, you often become tight passive players.. why because the books tell you to only play the best hands, so you tighten up.

You become obsessed with pot odds of drawing and not the equity value you have over an opponents range.. why.. because its one of the first topics you read about.

Also you probably play small stakes tournaments.. which are about hyper aggressive play as the blind structure does not really favor 'skillful play'

You put all of this together an you start to see why it is.. at low levels... why the beginner is at a disadvantage to the donk.

Of course as time passes.. the beginner will become an intermediate and maybe even an expert. He will play bigger games where people wont push with ATC out of position just for the hell of it.

His skill will become a factor because he will be at a table of thinking opponents rather than an endless supply of newbies who are willing to throw away a few bucks.

Aggression and calling with a hand which may improve are something that a beginner has to add to his arsenal .. because he is becoming a thinking player.. but these two important factors are things that a donk has.. he probably overvalues them.. but he has them.

Many beginners switch fro being a donk to a nit after reading their first book. Its the first step but there is still a long way to go.

 

[Dank Hugh]

uh... I thought the whole point was to get donks to bet too much on weak hands....

or am I missing something ???

 

[Stu_Ungar]

uh... I thought the whole point was to get donks to bet too much on weak hands....

or am I missing something ???

It is.. but collectively donks play back with a lot of agression causing a beginner to fold margional hands which are likely best or to overly tighen up

 

[StormRaven]

A lot of good and valuable replys. Besides all the fantastic advice/analogies offered you may want to consider playing some 1 table sng's to practice final table play a bit. It won't be the same, but when I started I found this helpful.

 

[TrapStar]

I agree with you that was a complete donkey move on his part, but your post raises another question I've had for a while. Why does over half the world spell the word "lose" with two o's? It is not loose, it is lose. I don't know why this bugs me, but it is just mind boggling how often I see this simple word misspelled.

 

[dd_decker]

I was going to say; "Maybe that's his favorite hand", but FlowJoe already said it. The point is there are a lot of reasons why he/she might push all in. One is to get you to fold, maybe it's their fav hand, or maybe they were drunk, maybe they just had to leave and said WTF, etc... You never know, but it's a good thing people play like that, not a bad thing like you are saying....