Does Hachem have a point or not?

[Bovinity]

Cause it makes poker look like a preflop gamble-a-thon which is the exact opposite of what they are trying to present to lawmakers in order to get the UIGEA overturned.

The ME is supposed to have the best structure on planet Earth and these people are shoving 180 BBs deep preflop.

This makes sense, really. If you're some lawmaker that doesn't really play poker and you see people just constantly playing gamble-a-thons pre-flop in a tournament that's supposed to be the top of the top of the poker world...well it might be hard to convince you that it's this game of huge skill like everyone's trying to convince you.

Of course, seeing so-called "pros" whining about it certainly can't help, either.

 

[Crummy]

Wow! Even more spouting from Hachem calling them "monkeys":

http://www.pokerlistings.com/hachem-slams-main-event-monkeys-42706

He was short stacked at the time and most likely grumpy.

When isn't he grumpy? Look back at all of the videos of him. The only time he was happy was at the 2005 wsop when he was saying "Pass the Sugar" because he was running hot and having a great time. Ever since he has always seemed to be in a foul mood.... Is he too good for the game?
I'm in no way criticizing his poker, just his attitude went from happy to lucky to I deserve to win every tournament I play.

 

[PC69]

Ewww. I think you mean "pass the sugar".

It's Joe Hachem, not Def Leppard.

Best quote in this entire thread imo lmfao

 

[PC69]

And just read the other article where he says these players should be at home playing with themselves not at the ME. wow lmfao what a douchebag.. Winnings from tourneys exceed 11 million and still cryin after he makes the money at the least and outlasts over 6,000 ppl.

Joe i know u will never read this but..... You are a crybaby Bi$%h

Pass the sugar? Someone needs to pass u a joint so u can calm the hell down

Oi Oi Oi

 

[OzExorcist]

When isn't he grumpy? Look back at all of the videos of him. The only time he was happy was at the 2005 WSOP when he was saying "Pass the Sugar" because he was running hot and having a great time.

You didn't watch, say, the latest season of High Stakes Poker then?

 

[GeoffLacey]

Maybe it's just my national pride kicking in, but I've gotta take issue with that. Sure he has a rant from time to time, and he absolutely says "one time" too much.

But to say that he's always disrespectful? C'mon, seriously...

It's the national pride kicking in

Naah, but really, he always comes off as a pretty huge douche, like with the queue jumping at the PCA and his forever complaining about how bad he runs, especially when he made the 'The story of my life comment...', after a bad beat. I'm not saying winning the ME means you can NEVER complain again but he genuinely seems hard done by

 

[Crummy]

I have the entire season on my DVR, but have only watched I think the first two shows? I did not see the episodes with Joe. How was his demeanor on HSP?

 

[Crummy]

YouTube - Joe Hachem: 2009 WSOP Main Event

Here is the video..... Its about 1:45ish... where he talkings about F'ing idiots!

 

[pantin007]

You didn't watch, say, the latest season of High Stakes Poker then?

he was good for the most part on hsp, except when he tried to peak at cassavettes (sp?) cards when he was mucking

but i have to agree, hachem has a tendency to come off bad in a lot of situations

 

[Crummy]

It's funny that he states it is a "9 to 10-day" event.... Its only a 9 to 10 day event because of the number of entires that are "expected" and actually in the event every year.

 

[NFLD_REBEL]

The large poker sites puts a lot of freeroll winners in the main event. Lets be honest here, those freerolls are a huge donkfest, so of course their will be a lot of players who will push with moderate starting hands. That's probally the only way they know how to play. How's their post flop play though, probally pretty weak. That's where they get eat alive by the top pro's. Looking forward to watching the main event!!!

 

[moeraj]

Joe is so right. All the donks in the game is changing the game in a negative way and negating the advantage of skill. We see it online in particular and these sites are sending their donks to these events.

 

[pantin007]

Joe is so right. All the donks in the game is changing the game in a negative way and negating the advantage of skill. We see it online in particular and these sites are sending their donks to these events.

opposite of what donks actually do

 

[Monoxide]

hahaha the last sentence is the best in the article...

he says no internet kid will ever ever win....hey wait!!? didnt peter eastgate the internet crazy kid just win the wsop ME in 2008?

lol.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Didn't Chris Moneymaker qualify via an on-line satellite?

 

[ihtennis]

I can understand why Hachem would be frustrated when players move all in with marginal hands, but I think that everyone has the right to use their chips how they want. I think it's a good thing for him, he can just tighten up and wait for a donk to hand him chips

 

[Cheezymadman]

I see this equivalent to the people who come on here and complain about people playing badly and beating them. No one complains about donk play if it's profitable for them.

 

[Mase31683]

Hachem's a pretty nitty player from what I've seen/what I hear. Players online are just so much more aggressive than live players. If you play in a casino, you'll know what I'm talking about. Live games are just way more loose/passive.

This is strictly supposition, but with more and more players learning their game on the internet, then bringing it to the WSOP after they're solid, there could definitely have been an infusion of solid, aggressive players. Aggressive on a level that makes aggro live players look nitty. Hachem could just not be used to that level of aggression, and unsure the best way to deal with it.

Besides that people, and I mean a lot of people, whine and moan about variance alllllllll the time. I think a lot of his rant is based off that. He likes to play solid, close to the vest, and slowly accumulate a few chips at a time. With aggro players, they're forcing you to play big pots at once, which is outside of Joe's comfort zone. I'd guess this stressed him a bit, and set up a rant about players being awful and all that.

 

[jjkenx]

complaining about bad play is always hard for me to listen to. If its bad play then beat it. You have to play the table you are at, not some ideal table.

 

[aliengenius]

fwiw, everyone's fav calling station DN thinks JH is a good player:

"I said that Joe is the best WSOP champ since Carlos Mortensen. That he is miles ahead of the others. I believe that to be true.
Joe plays the game like a pro and would do well against tough competition. WPT events are generally a better barometer of skill because of the deep stacks, slow moving blinds, and tougher competition.
Having said that, my reasoning for saying Joe is miles ahead of Moneymaker, Raymer, and Gold, were not based on limited results, but based on persona experience or what I have seen.
I don't believe that the other three players could win against tough competition, while I genuinely beleive that Hachem has enough game to do well against good players."



...does that influence your opinion?

 

[StormRaven]

I have to agree that the all in donkfest with marginal hands is going to be hurtful to poker players everywhere. We are trying to get online poker legalized and you bet many lawmakers will be watching to try and make a determination if poker is a game of skill or luck. If the tv crews aren't careful they will do more harm than good to the game when they edit all of this knowing Barney Franks bill is being pushed and knowing many others are trying like hell to get online poker banned. Hachem may very well be a douche and a whiner but he has point if you get through his horrible rant.

As for exploiting these idiots, I agree, you're a pro so outplay them and exploit them. I also must say that it has to be pretty frustrating to flop a set only to see one of the hyper aggressive donks call you down and push with their J4 suited because the flop came out QJ5 rainbow and they think their middle pair is good only to hit runner runner flush on you and cracking your set of Q's. That type of play being aired right now could be pretty damaging to our cause to get online poker legalized within the US and many other countries and have legal transactions between the banking institutions.

So regardless if Hachem is nothing but a ranting douche bag, he has a point, he doesn't speak it very well but neither do many of us.

*With all of that said, I personally don't have a problem with the hyper aggressive players, I am just concerned at the timing with everything that is going on is all.

 

[Stick66]

Hachem just apologized:

http://www.pokerlistings.com/hachem-sets-the-record-straight-42728

 

[vanquish]

hachem is a bag of asses

 

[Crummy]

"Everyone has the right to play poker however they want. I was just hearing stories from all over the floor about how crazy people were playing. I am passionate about poker and the World Series and I think what I said just came out the wrong way."

So he didn't even witness the bad play, just heard stories about it. That makes him look even worst.

 

[TheNoob]

"That's why a crazy Internet kid is very unlikely to win one of these things," Hachem said.


Then what's the problem? I think I would love to play with a bunch of people who were "very unlikely to win".

Seems to me that a good player would be salivating at the idea of a tournament full of people that will shove with 2nd pair.

I'm not saying this kind of play doesn't have an added stress value, because I'm sure it does.

I have seen Hachem act like an incredible baby at the table, and I think he's letting the stress of having to make big decisions get to him.